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"KEY corps commanders of Pakistan's 600,000-strong army issued orders last night to retaliate against "invading" US forces that enter the country to attack militant targets. The move has plunged relations between Islamabad and Washington into deep crisis over how to deal with al-Qa'ida and the Taliban What amounts to a dramatic order to "kill the invaders", as one senior officer put it last night, was disclosed after the commanders - who control the army's deployments at divisional level - met at their headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi under the chairmanship of army chief and former ISI spy agency boss Ashfaq Kayani. "

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24336245-2703,00.html

9/13/2008 2:50:10 PM

I guess we'd do the same if their soldiers came here

9/13/2008 2:51:37 PM

We don't implicitly or explicitly harbor fringe militant groups here either though.

9/13/2008 2:55:22 PM

See, this is the best reason why we shouldn't have gone into Iraq.

9/13/2008 3:12:35 PM

With Musharraf gone the US has no allies in the Paki's government. They have been harboring Al Qaeda and other Islamic Militants in their mountains for years.

9/13/2008 3:14:24 PM

i can't say I blame Pakistan. Still a douche move on their part, though

9/13/2008 3:24:40 PM

Pakistan should've done a better job getting the terrorists on their own.

But way to go Bush on coming to the worst possible solution to the problem. "Eff it, just send 'em in. They won't mind."

9/13/2008 3:28:02 PM

^^^ harboring is too strong a word.

Pakistan's central gov. has little control over the outlying areas, and they don't have the resources or really even respect from the populace to enact changes in those areas.

It's more they "tolerate" the warlord rules in some outlying rural areas.

9/13/2008 3:30:27 PM

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"Pakistan's central gov. has little control over the outlying areas"

then why the fuck do they want to shoot us?

9/13/2008 4:17:55 PM

they don't want our soldiers on their land...they know the Bush administration is full of chest pounding war mongers who seem to take thrills in destroying our relationship with other countries...
...they have to get their point across somehow

9/13/2008 5:30:38 PM

^ so you disagree with Obamas clear stance that we need to operate inside pakistan?

9/13/2008 5:40:48 PM

ooooooooo burn

9/13/2008 5:44:46 PM

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan"

9/13/2008 5:47:41 PM

... by just barging into sovereign territory without asking

Oh, wait.

9/13/2008 5:55:29 PM

i'm not saying i agree with pakistan, but that is why they are saying that they will shoot our soldiers...I think we've done a pretty good job of showing that we can't be dealt with nicely if you look at our relationships around the world, we just got kicked out of venezuela and bolivia for fucks sake, and russia is on their side...gg Bush

9/13/2008 6:40:47 PM

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"i'm not saying i agree with pakistan, but that is why they are saying that they will shoot our soldiers...I think we've done a pretty good job of showing that we can't be dealt with nicely if you look at our relationships around the world, we just got kicked out of venezuela and bolivia for fucks sake, and russia is on their side...gg Bush"

my God. you cant be serious.

9/13/2008 7:03:06 PM

bwhahaha. nato, the un, and all our alliances from ww2 seem to have suddenly worn off.

lol.

9/13/2008 7:17:15 PM

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"We don't implicitly or explicitly harbor fringe militant groups here either though"

Well, we do have neoconservatives

9/13/2008 7:21:04 PM

9/13/2008 7:28:51 PM

man, you nailed us. us neoconservatives want to enslave the whole world. were worse than the nazis. can we put you in a frying pan and eat you??

oh wait, we just want energy independence, terrorists to stop breathing down our throats, and not a massive government in washington controlling our every move.

i guess that's the new definition of nazism


[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 8:08 PM. Reason : ,]

9/13/2008 7:47:45 PM

HOW DARE PAKISTAN ATTACK OUR TROOPS WHO ARE CONDUCTING MILITARY OPERATIONS WITHIN THE BORDERS OF A SOVEREIGN NATION. THEY MUST BE SECRETLY BE WORKING WITH THE TALIBAN!! HOPEFULLY PALIN/MCCAIN WILL ENTER OFFICE SOON SO THEY CAN DECLARE WAR AND WE CAN CONTINUE OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE AXIS OF EVIL WHO HAS RECENTLY SWELLED IN SIZE TO INCLUDE BOLIVIA, VENEZUELA, PAKISTAN, AND RUSSIA. USA #1 WOOO!!!

In all seriousness we nearly shit a brick when Turkey conducted military operations in N. Iraq against Kurd militants. Began rattling our sabers when Russia went into S. Ossetia.

Yet we are going to set a good example of "Do as I say not as I do" by illegally entering into Pakistan. I suppose we are above international law and can do whatever we feel like b.c we are #1.

I feel bad for the troops involved but I 100% agree with Pakistans stance.

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 9:08 PM. Reason : a]

9/13/2008 9:06:11 PM

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"THEY MUST BE SECRETLY BE WORKING WITH"

Good thing the pakis don't have grammar check. They would find this offensive.

9/13/2008 9:09:33 PM

Screw Pakistan.....they have been giving us the round-a-bout for years. I certainly don't want a full-out war in Pakistan. However, if there is a know terrorist leader sitting in a cave in the mountains of Pakistan and they are not willing to do anything about it, send a fucking cruise missile straight into that hole.

HUR - EVERY TIME there is a discussion about anything foreign policy related, all you do is your little mocking "USA #1 git-r-dun!!" bullshit. I know you think the big bad US is always the bad guy and evil Bush is just picking on the peace-loving muslim countries, but that shit is getting old.

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"Yet we are going to set a good example of "Do as I say not as I do" by illegally entering into Pakistan. I suppose we are above international law and can do whatever we feel like b.c we are #1. "

If George was harboring terrorists that killed 3,000 russian civilians, and Russia was entering Georgia in a hunt for these terrorists, it MIGHT be a bit of a different situation.

9/13/2008 11:55:09 PM

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"Good thing the pakis don't have grammar check. They would find this offensive."

way to miss the whole point you neoconservative you!

9/14/2008 12:26:48 AM

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" HUR - EVERY TIME there is a discussion about anything foreign policy related, all you do is your little mocking "USA #1 git-r-dun!!" bullshit. I know you think the big bad US is always the bad guy and evil Bush is just picking on the peace-loving muslim countries, but that shit is getting old. "

I don't think that at all. My only issue is our policy is always "might equals rights". In this issue like in Pakistan we totally disregard their sovereignty to conduct our military operations. Tinker around in other governments business in other countries. If any other country did/does something similar we balk deploring their actions as a severe case of hypocrisy. Then we wonder scratching our heads about why people in other countries especially in the middle east hate us; even to the point of wanting to strap on bombs and blow each other up.

9/14/2008 11:50:52 AM

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"us neoconservatives"

--csharp_live

I thought you were a liberal? Or was that a lie?

9/14/2008 3:26:09 PM

^^ then fucking stop with the incessant "little mocking "USA #1 git-r-dun!!" bullshit." it's stupid, ridiculously played out, and annoying as shit.

9/14/2008 6:50:33 PM

We shouldn't be messing around inside their country. We wouldn't like it if some country did that to us.

But I would sure as hell stop any and all foreign aid goodies until they can cough up osama.

9/14/2008 9:26:34 PM

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"But I would sure as hell stop any and all foreign aid goodies until they can cough up osama."

I find this perfectly acceptable form of corrective action for this situation. With the money train cut off Pakistan will have increase incentive to either deal w/ the al qaeda fucks themselves or make arrangements for US forces to pursue military operations with blessing from the gov't.

Citizens listed as "cuban terrorists" by Castrowho we call "freedom fighters" reside in Florida. If cuba tried something like that we would turn them into a crater in the caribean sea.

9/14/2008 10:48:12 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7628890.stm

Pakistan troops 'repel US raid'

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"Pakistani troops have fired at two US helicopters forcing them back into Afghanistan, local Pakistani intelligence officials say. The helicopters flew into the tribal North Waziristan region from Afghanistan's Khost province at around midnight, the reports say. . . Last week Pakistani troops fired into the air to prevent US ground troops crossing the border into South Waziristan. The latest confrontation between US and Pakistani forces took place in North Waziristan's sparsely populated Ghulam Khan district, west of the main town in the region, Miranshah, local officials say. They told the BBC that troops at border posts in the mountainous region fired at two US helicopters which crossed into Pakistani territory. The helicopters returned to Afghanistan without retaliating. A senior security official based in Islamabad told the AFP news agency that the helicopters had been repelled by both army troops and soldiers from the paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC). "The helicopters were heading towards our border. We were alert and when they were right on the boundary line we started aerial firing. They hovered for a few minutes and went back," the official said. "About 30 minutes later they made another attempt. We retaliated again, firing in the air and not in their direction, from both the army position and the FC position, and they went back." A Pakistani military spokesman, Maj Murad Khan, said he had no information "on border violation by the American helicopters". The US military in Afghanistan also said it had no information on the incident. . . "

9/22/2008 11:37:58 AM

^ If these incidents continue, its only a matter of time before one side accidentally kills someone from the other. That's when the shit will hit the fan. Can you imagine the reaction if an American accidentally blew up a Pakistani outpost or if the Pakistanis accidentally shoot down an American helicopter or kill an American serviceman?

9/22/2008 12:49:43 PM

Its amazing that the Pakistanis have no problem enforcing the border when we try to cross, but "can't" keep tabs on it when Al-Queda border hops all the time.

9/22/2008 1:22:20 PM

Reminder for the thread:

PAKISTAN IS NUKULAR

9/22/2008 1:33:10 PM

^^truly

^they are saving them for india not us, you dumbass. go take your worthless comments to another website plz.

9/22/2008 2:29:02 PM

^^^ The are guerilla fighters... WE can't even keep track of al-qaeda.

Pakistan's best way of fighting them is to convince the locals not to follow the taliban and their A-Q henchman.

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"If these incidents continue, its only a matter of time before one side accidentally kills someone from the other. That's when the shit will hit the fan. Can you imagine the reaction if an American accidentally blew up a Pakistani outpost or if the Pakistanis accidentally shoot down an American helicopter or kill an American serviceman?"

I would imagine that both the neocons, and alqaeda are salivating at the thought. Al qaeda doesn't care about Pakistan, and the US killing any pakistanis accidentally or otherwise can only help their cause. The biggest loser in all of this though would be Pakistan, and if they destabilize badly enough to where A-Q gets a hold of their nukes, it makes things worse for any of our allies in the region too (which is what I bet Gamecat's point was... it's irrelevant who Pakistan is saving them for if a war destabilizes pakistan to the point where someone steals or buys a nuke).

[Edited on September 22, 2008 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/22/2008 3:01:18 PM

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 11:55 AM. Reason : oops]

9/23/2008 11:55:37 AM