...is his supporters

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"HOMELESS 'DRIVEN' TO VOTE OBAMA http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked. The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency. Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast. Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center. "I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here.""

10/7/2008 1:34:22 AM

If they actually want to vote and know they they want to vote for, that's okay.

If they are coaching them to vote for someone in particular, that's wrong, and possibly illegal.

10/7/2008 1:37:46 AM

thats stupid and will most likely do more harm than good

10/7/2008 1:39:50 AM

^^ DID YOU NOT SEE THAT THEY HELPED A FELON VOTE?!

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:40 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 1:40:01 AM

^ I support felons voting.

They served their time, why not? Effectively removing their rights after they have served their punishment is likely unconstitutional, as well as removing incentive to integrate with normal society.

10/7/2008 1:43:16 AM

DIE SON.

10/7/2008 1:43:53 AM

I think any citizen who is not in prison on election day should be allowed to vote regardless of criminal history. They are living amongst society and should have input.

10/7/2008 1:46:27 AM

I don't have a problem with states barring felons from voting. It's part of their sentence, it just happens to be one that lasts longer than actual confinement.

That notwithstanding, Ohio's election laws allow for this. Unless the Obama supporters were coaching or bribing the voters, or unless they were encouraging people who were not eligible to vote to register and do so before they could be caught, they did nothing wrong. I don't know what Ohio's laws are now regarding felons -- if they allow felons to vote, fine. If they prohibit them from doing so and Mr. Woods managed to register and vote anyway, then the Obama supporters are pulling some shady shit and should be called out, as should the government of Ohio for having such a flimsy voter registration system.

10/7/2008 2:05:16 AM

When I first read this, I was a little shocked. And laughing. But then I realized that this isn't suprising at all. Obama has been trying to get votes from pathetic people this entire time, so why not homeless felons? I mean seriously, he already supports convicted sex offenders and has no problem with convicted aggressive felons from other countries gaining legal status over here. Eh just another pathetic stunt to try to get a status he's undeserving of....

10/7/2008 2:29:28 AM

HE'S ALL FOR GIVING FELONS MORE AND MORE RIGHTS....






BUT ALL OF YOU LAW ABIDING CITIZENS HAD BETTER HAND IN YOUR FUCKING GUNS.

10/7/2008 2:31:03 AM

I'm not sure where i stand on felons voting,

i think it depends a lot on the type of felony. a lot of things that are legal now were not legal at some point and if you take peoples right to vote away then things will never change
i dont think people should vote while in jail but once they do their time they should be free

but i also dont like taking a bunch of people who may or may not know what theyre doing and having them vote, but im not sure to what extent they are aware of who and for what they are voting

10/7/2008 2:40:17 AM

Quote :

"a lot of things that are legal now were not legal at some point and if you take peoples right to vote away then things will never change"

They have managed to change in spite of felons being unable to vote. And when things are legalized, people previously convicted of them generally have their records cleared of the offense.

10/7/2008 2:42:32 AM

^that is still no basis to take their right to vote away
its like saying its ok to steal peoples money cause they'll work and get it back somehow

in other words it puts too much power in the govts hands to disenfranchise people by making certain things a crime and some things a felony

10/7/2008 2:48:16 AM

this thread is not relevant to my interests

10/7/2008 2:49:53 AM

But you just said it was alright to take their vote away while they are in jail. What, being in jail means they can't follow politics?

Or would you rather the government simply lengthen prison sentences as a means of disenfranchising people?

The fact is that the decision is up to the states, as it should be, and there's no evidence I've ever seen indicating that a crime has been made a felony in order to keep people from voting.

10/7/2008 2:50:51 AM

so i went to that site (http://www.barackobamatest.com) and answered 48 questions

my results: I disagreed with Barack Obama 100% of the time

I'm a little surprised it was THAT different (meaning, I didn't think he was THAT bad)

guess I know who I'm voting for (if my vote gets counted...military absentee)

10/7/2008 2:51:42 AM

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"that is still no basis to take their right to vote away its like saying its ok to steal peoples money cause they'll work and get it back somehow"

Wait. PLEASE tell me you're joking, right? Because there's a major difference between a convicted felon who willing and knowingly commited a crime having punishment enforced upon them and an innocent person having their money stolen from them. Sorry felons, you knew what you were getting yourself into when you commited a crime.

10/7/2008 2:59:10 AM

^^you should do a mccain test before you vote for him

^^i hope you realized the test was put together in a way to make you and obama seem polar opposites

all the questions are geared to have you answer a certain way and against obama's stance


[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2008 3:00:07 AM

I'll buy you a Sausage Mcmuffin if you vote for Obama....

dammit, breakfast ends at 10:30

10/7/2008 3:05:09 AM

^^^you didnt get the point

he said it was ok to take felons right to vote away cause if the were unjustly criminalized then they'd find a way to change the laws
so in that case they would be considered innocent in retrospect

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 3:05 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2008 3:05:35 AM

K I did misunderstand that whole thing. My bad. But really, felons shouldn't be allowed to vote and Obama's supporters shouldnt either

10/7/2008 3:09:05 AM

^ha,

no one should vote, both canidates are scary, we'd be better off with no one at the wheel

10/7/2008 3:11:09 AM

NO, WE'D BE BETTER OFF STILL ABLE (POSSIBLY LEGALLY, AND IF NOT AT LEAST WE STILL HAVE THE MEANS) TO DEFEND OURSELVES WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN. SHITBAG OBAMA WANTS ALL OF OUR GUNS.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 3:14 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 3:13:41 AM

Eh I dont know if I'd go that far. I mean I wont say McCain was the absolute best repub canidate but I do like him and he'll def be gettin my vote. Because moral of the story is Obama will be the demise of our country

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 3:15 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2008 3:14:36 AM

Quote :

"he said it was ok to take felons right to vote away cause if the were unjustly criminalized then they'd find a way to change the laws"

I never said that they (the criminals) would change shit. I said that shit would get changed. I think it's safe to say that, as a general rule, we should not leave it up to felons to decide whether or not it is just that they are felons.

10/7/2008 3:15:19 AM

HOW DARE THE POOR VOTE

I THINK ONLY THE RICH AND EDUCATED ELITE SHOULD VOTE

ALSO, WHITE MEN ONLY.

10/7/2008 3:22:30 AM

NOBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR A GUN GRABBER, THAT'S FOR DAMN SURE.

10/7/2008 3:27:03 AM

Um... Wouldnt it be better if only the educated voted? Why have a bunch of dumbasses voting and not know what the fuck they are voting for? God I wish there was a test you had to pass before you could vote

10/7/2008 3:29:37 AM

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 6:28 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 6:26:24 AM

IS YOU IS

OR IS YOU AIN'T

MAH CONSTITENCY?

10/7/2008 6:27:41 AM

^^^ you are correct. the only problem is in how you measure "intelligence" without being blatantly biased towards any particular side.

10/7/2008 7:07:13 AM

HOW DARE THE POOR VOTE

I THINK ONLY THE RICH AND EDUCATED ELITE SHOULD VOTE

ALSO, WHITE MEN ONLY.

10/7/2008 7:09:38 AM

Quote :

"but i also dont like taking a bunch of people who may or may not know what theyre doing and having them vote, but im not sure to what extent they are aware of who and for what they are voting"

i think this applies to at least 75% of the American population. That is why smearing on both party tickets becomes very rampant almost to the point that anything can be said that leads someone to vote one way or the other. True Story.

10/7/2008 7:11:04 AM

blah blah blah people at churches drive the congregation out to vote for whoever the conservative candidate is. it happens on both sides. this year, if you've been following the news, several churches are trying to endorse a candidate (guess which oneeee and you win a cookie) and they're pissed because they'll lose their status as a non-profit.

10/7/2008 7:38:18 AM

I disagreed with Obama 94% of the time.

Quote :

"^^you should do a mccain test before you vote for him"

Where's the McCain test, I can't find it.

10/7/2008 8:08:43 AM

Sad and desperate if he needs the homeless to vote for him.

10/7/2008 8:11:15 AM

^^same with me. and where is a mccain test?

10/7/2008 8:24:47 AM

hahaha that test is a joke.

I'd love to see a test for each candidate not written by the other party. I think it would be helpful for a lot of people. But that Obama test is a little ridiculous. haha.

10/7/2008 8:41:41 AM

McCain test:

"Your government picks up a Arabic man, a father of a 4 year old daughter, for standing in the vicinity
of a restaurant that was recently bombed. Do you torture him, while he begs and cries for his life, and then kill him?"

Yes - (McCain Position) 
No -

10/7/2008 8:48:26 AM

I would like to subscribe to all of GrumpyGOP's posts.


that's all

10/7/2008 8:50:07 AM

^^

10/7/2008 9:16:15 AM

Quote :

"^^ DID YOU NOT SEE THAT THEY HELPED A FELON VOTE?!"

I don't know about Ohio's laws, but in NC a felon can legally vote after finishing prison time and probation if there is any.

10/7/2008 9:18:17 AM

haha, you guys act like Obama isnt leading in the Electoral vote
10/6 Obama 329, McCain 194


and its strategy! if you dont think the repubs have been doing the same thing then you are just as stupid and dense as Sarah Failin

10/7/2008 9:20:31 AM

Quote :

"HOW DARE THE POOR VOTE I THINK ONLY THE RICH AND EDUCATED ELITE SHOULD VOTE"

As an American citizen, you have the right to vote, without property qualification.

comma however . . .


If you're chronically homeless or a drug abuser, I'm not sure I want you voting. You have the legal right, yeah, but . . . .

Either way, this should disabuse everyone of the idea that politics is about ideas, or fairness, or the will of the people.

Quote :

"^ I support felons voting. They served their time, why not? Effectively removing their rights after they have served their punishment is likely unconstitutional"

Not quite. The 14th Amendment states that, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." That would imply that states can remove voting qualifications from convicted felons if they so chose.

10/7/2008 9:21:30 AM

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"If you're chronically homeless or a drug abuser, I'm not sure I want you voting. You have the legal right, yeah, but . . . . "

again, i'll come in from the OTHER side. i'd rather have a chronically homeless person voting THAN someone that calls me a fetus eater just because i'm prochoice. seriously. chronically homeless OR people that let snakes loose in church. drug abuser OR people who think dinosaurs weren't real. its all relative.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM. Reason : loose not lose duh]

10/7/2008 9:58:43 AM

so... the homeless shouldn't be able to vote?

10/7/2008 9:59:40 AM

Quote :

"Not quite. The 14th Amendment states that, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." That would imply that states can remove voting qualifications from convicted felons if they so chose."

I'm not sure I agree with that interpretation.

Has there ever been a Supreme Court case on the issue?

10/7/2008 10:01:32 AM

Well, the chronically homeless are often mentally unstable. See:







That being said, I'm not saying they should be legally prevented from voting, for the reasons you mentioned. Everyone has a voice, no matter how ignorant I think it is. Such is the glory and despair of a representative democracy.

10/7/2008 10:01:58 AM

Quote :

"Has there ever been a Supreme Court case on the issue?"

Felons typically aren't the type to care enough about voting to push the issue that far. They also, typically, have had enough of the court system that they wouldn't push it that far even if they did care enough about voting to do so.

10/7/2008 10:06:15 AM

^ i don't know if i believe that. think about how many people are now incarcerated for drug crimes (instead of just violent felons). its ridic. i think the main point is that laws preventing felons to vote have been on the books for decades and the point of the laws isn't about BEING a felon, the laws are about disenfranchising minority voters. that is the point. and if that is the point, then it isn't about states rights. states rights are just a coverup when the real point of the laws are to disenfranchise voters. therefore it shouldn't matter if 70% of felons wouldn't exercise their right to vote, you can't just keep the laws on the books because the majority wouldn't care. even though i'm not sure if that is true. a lot of people don't even know that felons CAN vote in a lot of states now.

either way i'm generally against things that add obstacles to the right to vote on any level. even just requiring an I.D. (open debate floodgates).

but thats all i'm saying. except for this is an interesting website
http://www.sentencingproject.org/Default.aspx

10/7/2008 10:14:44 AM