If the media has its way:

Executive - Liberal (under B.O.)
Legislative - Liberal (under N.P. and H.R.)
Judicial - Liberal (even more so under B.O. with Legislative Branch under H.R.)
Press - Liberal

Here's to 2010!!!

Surely there is some way we can prevent this.

We should go get dead people to register as Republicans.

10/17/2008 1:49:02 PM

The press is so liberal in fact that they helped the current administration fool the populace into believing we needed to go to war. So liberal in fact they fooled the current populace that bailout plan that was passed (to the chagrin of MANY MANY professional economists) was what this country needed for Main Street to survive.

I really feel for people like you (and eyedrb, and a aimorris) that have some sort of abject fear of a Democratic presidency when the past 8 years have a systematic disassembling of everything America had going right for itself.

10/17/2008 2:00:36 PM

^you just listed probably the only 2 pro-conservative things the media has done in the last 8 years

10/17/2008 2:08:42 PM

how about making nary a mention of the calls for impeachment from Wexler and Kucinich?

10/17/2008 2:17:05 PM

I remember a time when War and economic nationalism were the highest ideals of a Democratic President by the name of FDR.

10/17/2008 2:20:09 PM

Since when was going to Iraq a liberal v. conservative issues? This is why these labels are so unhelpful. Members in both parties overwhelmingly voted for the war. 70% of the American people was behind it. And people that opposed going to war, everyone from Paul Krugman to Pat Buchanan (how's that for ideological opposites) were dismissed.

Personally, I think the "conversative" and "liberal" labels are over all pretty useless, but even more so when it comes to foreign policy.

PS* And since when was nationalizing banks considered a CONSERVATIVE policy reaction!?!? I mean this just goes to show meaningless these labels are.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ``]

10/17/2008 2:25:22 PM

this thread = fail

10/17/2008 2:38:42 PM

^ funny article on slate this week asking when fail started being used as a noun.

internet forum subculture is taking over the mainstream

10/17/2008 3:14:58 PM

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"^you just listed probably the only 2 pro-conservative things the media has done in the last 8 years"

Those are just the two ones that overwhelm the whimper of everything else that could be construed as liberal propaganda from the MSM. See my post from some other thread the other day, the danger isn't that any one news outlet has some sort of bias, the danger is that the MSM in general has failed in the original spirit that we see glimpses of from British news outlets charged with reporting on their governments. The MSM is just spineless (mostly speaking of the TV shows, not necessarily the news rags). They float on the currents of whatever happens to be going on in the US at the time, content to trot out their pretty boys and female anchors and cluck at each other like they actually know what the hell they are talking about.

10/17/2008 3:19:55 PM

going to be worse for the GOP in 2010, especially in the Senate....best shot is 2012 when the dems have like 26 seats up and the GOP has 12.....but that will be when Obama is reelected again.....I think after 2010 the Dems will peak in Senate seats with 62 + 1 independent (Joe will be punted out of the party after this election) which will give them 63 seats...than in 2012, they might loose one or three due to retirements in GOP states.

10/18/2008 12:41:52 AM

I thought Dick Cheney was the 4th branch of gov't.

Sarah Palin took good head and is following example even before getting elected.

10/18/2008 3:08:59 AM

i too thought dick cheney was the 4th branch of government

10/18/2008 3:12:12 AM

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"going to be worse for the GOP in 2010, especially in the Senate....best shot is 2012 when the dems have like 26 seats up and the GOP has 12.....but that will be when Obama is reelected again....."

Doubt it, especially if shit keeps going south, I don't see the Dems hanging on for long. This election is more about Bush and timing than anything else. If the economy had waited to tank until after the election, McCain would easily still be tied with Obama. If the Dems take control over everything, and accomplish nothing, I can't see them holding power for very long at all.

and Obama won't be reelected again.... he will be elected again, or reelected.

There are just to many factors to predict the next election cycle. You could see a realignment of the GOP back to more fiscal classical liberalism and less social conservatism, this coupled with the Dems fucking shit up for 2 years, and several other unknowables.. I just don't see how anyone can predict anything right now.

10/18/2008 3:16:57 AM

Republicans did it to themselves, and they deserve everything they are getting. Under Rove-style politics, they pushed what they could do politically, setting up the backlash that is happening. If you try to claim absolute control while you are in power, you get all the blame when you fuck up.

10/18/2008 3:19:58 AM

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"This election is more about Bush and timing than anything else. I"

Bullshit

I think this election is more about McCain fumbling the ball. He decided to marry court the right-wing neo-con crowd, picked Sarah Palin for VP, and shifted platform to more of what would be palatable by all the Dubya fans. For the kicker thought getting worried about the election instead of spending advertising and speech time discussing the issues he turned his campaign into a "DON'T VOTE FOR THE BLACK MUSLIM ANTI-AMERICAN TERRORIST FRIENDLY SOCIALIST LIBERAL WHO WANTS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY"

Last winter I thought McCain was the GOP only legitimate shot at getting the white house after all the Bush bullshit the last 8 years. I always loved the guy and thought this country would have been in much better shape had he won teh GOP nomination in 2000 instead of Bush. Never as recent as this summer did I think I would vote for a liberal especially one like Obama. Since August though I've turned face. I am willing to let Obama take a swing.
We will see if he hits a pop fly into left field and gets thrown out in 2012 or maybe he puts her out of the ball park. At my current life stage I am pretty "net benefit" 50-50 no matter who wins.

10/18/2008 3:27:49 AM

Is there a single person on this board, conservative or liberal, who doesn't agree that Republicans have become ideologically bankrupt?

If they were to come out of this election with anything but a crushing, embarrassing loss, it would only affirm their current direction.


Oh, and :

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"If the media has its way"

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sorry no one likes your candidate.

[Edited on October 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM. Reason : ]

10/18/2008 11:05:58 AM

Well, I am a classical liberal, but I would assert that the Republicans are not ideologically bankrupt. Their rhetoric still poles well and the American people are still staunch conservatives compared to the rest of the world. Hell, even Obama has a plan to cut taxes. Lots of Americans were and still are against the Bailout.

What you see as ideological bankruptcy is merely personal hatred. If you took one of Bush's prepared speaches and asked most Americans to read it without telling them who it was, most Americans would still agree with the rhetoric. But, Americans have come to associate so much Evil with Bush that many of us will hate anyone associated with him.

There is a great example from the auto industry where people would like a car better if you took off the GM logos. It is the same here: remove Bush and his friends from the party and people will come back. But it will take at least an election cycle.

10/18/2008 11:21:10 AM

I wasn't discussing the GOP's popularity.

You can be entirely ideologically bankrupt and still resonate with the people.

10/18/2008 11:30:01 AM

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"Well, I am a classical liberal, but I would assert that the Republicans are not ideologically bankrupt. Their rhetoric still poles well and the American people are still staunch conservatives compared to the rest of the world."

I think its funny how at my plant all the 'lesser' educated production workers are homogeneously McCain supporters except for the minorities.

Than when you look at the college educated M&P's (managment & professionals) there is a vast array with a major chunk supporting Obama, many supporting McCain, and even another wedge that claims to be "conservative" but is disgruntled by the McCain/Palin ticket.

10/18/2008 12:05:43 PM

Obama has about a 5 or 6 point lead on McCain.

Imagine if the media was completely unbiased.

If they were, Obama wouldn't even be the candidate. It would be Hillary.

McCain is holding his own battling Obama and the media...he's not doing too badly.

10/18/2008 3:44:49 PM

things that i'll never get tired of:

-the "liberal media bias"
-democrats being "socialist"

10/18/2008 4:44:59 PM

the truth should tire no man

10/18/2008 5:18:53 PM

"battling the media"... ha!

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

10/18/2008 5:21:13 PM

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"If they were, Obama wouldn't even be the candidate. It would be Hillary."

I do agree. I think the media definitly benefited Obama against Hillary. Not that its a bad thing...

10/18/2008 8:23:11 PM

5 or 6 pt lead nationally....McPalin is getting CREAMED state by state....there is no way McPalin can win if you look state by state, even if he wins all the toss ups...hell, he cant win unless he wins VA which he is 10pts behind and growing. At least I can go to bed early on election night once VA reports Obama has flipped the state. McPalin will know it is over once that happens, then it is just a mater of how bad it will be for the GOP.

10/18/2008 9:35:45 PM

^ Obama just needs to flip any one of the large swing states, and he wins, assuming the other non-swing states go the way of their polls.

[Edited on October 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2008 9:37:39 PM

I suppose the McPalin gamble did not pay off for the Maverick

10/19/2008 1:41:42 PM

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"This election is more about Bush and timing than anything else."

McCain's eventual loss will not be all about Bush.

McCain fucked up, too. I've seen guys come out and endorse Obama, and when asked why, they talk about the kind of campaign that McCain has run. They don't even have to talk about the issues to explain why they're going Obama cause McCain forgot about the issues.

I think McCain & Co. thought it wasn't possible to lose to a black man whose middle name is Hussein. The geniuses behind the GOP have always relied on pressing our racist buttons, but it looks like that's just not enough this time around.

Anyway, when Obama started out, he gave these wonderful speeches about change. And the Republican response was to mock him and put him down for not having any real ideas. They didn't realize the American people desperately wanted to be inspired and desperately wanted change and actually liked Obama's speeches. It was like, "Oh shit, these people are buying it! We need to talk about change, too!!!" So while McCain and his people were packing their bags and getting ready to board the change train, Obama was already leading the way and breaking down the specifics of his plan. And, with the exception of the Palin craze, Obama has remained in control ever since then...

And the way things went for McCain is actually really, really sad. He let himself get handled and his handlers destroyed his reputation in the process.

10/20/2008 12:56:19 PM

I'm pretty sure McCain wouldn't be in a hole if the Financial system hadn't imploded.

10/20/2008 5:53:38 PM

he was already in a hole before it really went to shit. or do you mean going further back?

10/20/2008 6:12:08 PM

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"Republicans did it to themselves, and they deserve everything they are getting. Under Rove-style politics, they pushed what they could do politically, setting up the backlash that is happening. If you try to claim absolute control while you are in power, you get all the blame when you fuck up."

I couldn't agree more ... Bush has had a "fuck you, I'll do what I want" attitude with everyone he has had power over from day one. He made his bed.

As far as people that argue that both liberals and conservates voted for the war goes, they fail to mention that the intellegence was manipulated to make things look worse than they were, and many of the things that were asserted at the time turned out not to be true.

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded, no WDMs, nothing but a president with an axe to grind and a good PR campain. Let him lay in it.

10/20/2008 6:35:59 PM

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"Anyway, when Obama started out, he gave these wonderful speeches about change. And the Republican response was to mock him and put him down for not having any real ideas."

you misspelled that word....it's spelled...I D E A L S.

And it wasn't just the republicans...it was also

Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
John Edwards

you know...all of those people in his same party...one of them being his running mate.

10/21/2008 3:23:12 AM

Actually, I meant ideas--thoughts, opinions, plans, etc... Did you really need to make a sassy bitch comment about that?

And, of course, those people criticized him. They were running against him. You gotta use what you can use, but it didn't work for them, just like it didn't work for McCain. McCain has been several steps behind Obama throughout his campaign. When McCain started talking about change, we'd already heard about change for months from Obama, and Obama had already moved on with specifics.

John McCain has destroyed his own reputation in this campaign. There was a spark of sincerity in W's first run, but McCain has been entirely cynical. They believed they couldn't lose to a black man. They believed they could scare us with radical Islam and gloomy predictions about Iraq. And they believed their words didn't really matter...that all we can really understand is fear and our own visceral reactions to images of baked apple pie and baseball.

10/21/2008 5:57:50 PM