Got a speeding ticket going downhill last night, anybody got any lawyer recommendations for Wake Co?

12/20/2008 1:21:25 PM

_{James Crouch
(919) 828-5778}

12/20/2008 1:27:22 PM

I guess that's marginally better than getting a speeding ticket going uphill?

12/20/2008 1:40:27 PM

should have jumped the hill. They can't give you a speeding ticket if you were in mid air... You just say you have your pilots license...

12/20/2008 2:01:03 PM

where?

12/20/2008 2:21:13 PM

JAMES CROUCH

he'll hook you up, that's who all us regular criminals around here use. he's been on my payroll for about 8 years now, lol.

[Edited on December 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM. Reason : pm sent too]

12/20/2008 2:28:18 PM

doesn't slowfag use him?

12/20/2008 2:41:20 PM

Cool thanks guys.

12/20/2008 3:45:59 PM

what hill location? and was it a set up on side of road speed trap sit, or just he was behind you?

12/20/2008 4:48:40 PM

Quote :

"doesn't slowfag use him? "

fuck no.
stop thinking about me homo

[Edited on December 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM. Reason : l]

12/20/2008 6:10:07 PM

I was only marginally impressed with James Crouch. He only seemed interested in keeping my ticket off my insurance. Maybe he works harder as the tickets compound. He got my stop sign reduced to 34 in a 25 or something. I felt like I could have worked an equal deal on my own for 1/3 the money (ticket + court costs) and I would have gotten it done 9 months quicker so it would hurry up and get off my record. I guess the real test will be what he does when I get another one in the next couple of years.

12/20/2008 11:02:00 PM

lol

12/20/2008 11:14:49 PM

Quote :

"He only seemed interested in keeping my ticket off my insurance."

isnt that the fucking point?

the traffic ada isnt going to just let you walk out of there with a shit eating grin

12/20/2008 11:21:49 PM

going through a stop sign is no small violation either iirc. carries 3 license points or something? sounds like there might have been a speeding charge also, or it was at least alluded to on the citation if not actually written up as a violation?

12/20/2008 11:39:04 PM

Quote :

"isnt that the fucking point?"

Not really. If I get another conviction in the next 3 years it will come back to haunt me. I've had them pile up in the past and the insurance bill was not pretty. I was paying for a lawyer so that I wouldn't have to worry about that happening again.

Quote :

"going through a stop sign is no small violation either iirc. "

That's why I hired a lawyer.

Quote :

"sounds like there might have been a speeding charge also"

Nah, no speeding...I did a normal roll through at a 4 way stop sign. I rolled up in my girlfriend's car, slowed to an almost stop as I looked both ways, put the car in first gear, and went through. I did one of those stops where you could easily let the brake grab a little harder and come to a dead stop, but instead I only slowed to 1-3 MPH. Pretty much a standard stop sign for just about everyone on the road.

I never went over the speed limit. He told me they were working that intersection in response to complaints that people were running through the 4-way. He said people were going through it like there was no stop sign at all. I mentioned that I had come to an almost complete stop, looked both ways, etc. and that I really don't think I was the type of person they were complaining about. He agreed and alluded to the fact that there was no risk in my actions, wrote me the ticket, and told me to have a nice day.

I'm just saying I think I could have gotten the same deal on my own and had I done so that ticket would have been resolved 9 months earlier than it was for 1/3 the cost. I just hope that if I get another ticket in the next few years he will actually get me the not guilty so I don't get hit with an insurance premium raise from the new ticket and this current one.

I'm not overly concerned with it. He'll be the first person I call if I get another one locally, but the next one will be more difficult because of the fact that I have this current conviction. That's what will worry me if I get another one.

Had he made that shit disappear somehow or had I been found not guilty I would have been impressed. As it is, I'm marginally impressed. Didn't mean for it to come off sounding as bad as it did. Ultimately, he did what he said and kept it off my insurance so I guess that's what really matters for now.

[Edited on December 21, 2008 at 1:47 AM. Reason : l]

12/21/2008 1:28:15 AM

You're funny. They don't just drop a ticket like that. Whether you hire a lawyer or go yourself, getting it reduced sounds like a good deal. If you went and told them about your rolling stop, they would probably just say that you admitted it and give you the whole penalty.

Every three years, you can have 1 nine over ticker and then you have a PJC to use. You have a get out of jail free card twice every three years. Not too bad, if you ask me.

12/21/2008 9:28:01 AM

You're funny. They don't just drop a ticket like that. Whether you hire a lawyer or go yourself, getting it reduced sounds like a good deal. If you went and told them about your rolling stop, they would probably just say that you admitted it and give you the whole penalty.

Every three years, you can have 1 nine over ticket and then you have a PJC to use. You have a get out of jail free card twice every three years. Not too bad, if you ask me.

12/21/2008 9:28:01 AM

Quote :

"I did a normal roll through at a 4 way stop sign. I rolled up in my girlfriend's car, slowed to an almost stop as I looked both ways, put the car in first gear, and went through. I did one of those stops where you could easily let the brake grab a little harder and come to a dead stop, but instead I only slowed to 1-3 MPH."

Thats a "south carolina stop".

12/21/2008 11:20:48 AM

Quote :

"You have a get out of jail free card twice every three years. Not too bad, if you ask me."

This is not how it works.

12/21/2008 11:21:48 AM

just plea guilty.

12/21/2008 12:03:24 PM

Quote :

"slowed to an almost stop as I looked both ways, put the car in first gear, and went through. I did one of those stops where you could easily let the brake grab a little harder and come to a dead stop, but instead I only slowed to 1-3 MPH."

I wish police would use some fucking common sense instead of interpreting everything as Black and White. Obviously if there is an intersection with pretty open visibility, their is very little if any traffic, and its obvious that the driver slowed down to a minimal point to allow observation of on coming traffic; than he was not safety hazard.

I know if i am approaching a stop sign on a hill; with my 6-speed car if i can get an open view of the lack of traffic I will slow to a minimal speed than go. Stopping is basically for "show" cause i know their is no cars coming that will endanger my car.

12/21/2008 1:11:13 PM

its not the cops job to interpret, that is the court's responsibility

12/21/2008 1:55:21 PM

Quote :

"Obviously if there is an intersection with pretty open visibility, their is very little if any traffic, and its obvious that the driver slowed down to a minimal point to allow observation of on coming traffic; than he was not safety hazard. I know if i am approaching a stop sign on a hill; with my 6-speed car if i can get an open view of the lack of traffic I will slow to a minimal speed than go. Stopping is basically for "show" cause i know their is no cars coming that will endanger my car."

where did you get your city planning degree? i hear its a tough field to get into

but clearly, with your knowledge of what intersections need a yield and which ones need a stop sign you're more than qualified

how many simulations did you run before you made that decision?

12/21/2008 2:17:39 PM

Common sense doesn't need a simulation.
How hard is it to look and see if another car is coming?

12/21/2008 2:21:40 PM

To top it off my car got hit overnight. It looks like somebody backed into the driver side rear door.

They say they come in threes so I'm on the lookout.

12/21/2008 4:44:17 PM

I thought I was about to hold some paper last night coming back from Raleigh.

12/21/2008 10:02:16 PM

Quote :

"its not the cops job to interpret, that is the court's responsibility"

after you pay your $100 court costs that helps pay the police dept. AM I RITE!

12/22/2008 12:00:08 AM

Quote :

"Common sense doesn't need a simulation. How hard is it to look and see if another car is coming?"

How hard is it to stop at the sign that says STOP?


Its what the judge would say.

12/22/2008 12:22:32 AM

Quote :

"after you pay your $100 court costs that helps pay the police dept. AM I RITE!"

well if you win you dont have to pay

12/22/2008 9:13:01 AM

If you didnt stop at a STOP sign, you will never win your case.

12/22/2008 10:27:13 AM

Quote :

"its not the cops job to interpret, that is the court's responsibility"

To some degree, it is a police officer's job to interpret. How else would they know if you are breaking to the law or obeying it? They can issue citations after all...

But yeah, ultimately, it is the court's responsibility.

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2008 10:40:11 AM

Quote :

"Every three years, you can have 1 nine over ticker and then you have a PJC to use. You have a get out of jail free card twice every three years. Not too bad, if you ask me."

Yes and no. Even if you have a 9 over ticket, it goes on your record. However, a 9 over only carries two points (that's why it's the "magic number") and most, if not all, insurance companies won't raise your rates until you have 3 or more points. The PJC is the real "get out of jail free" card, as it makes offenses go away completely (provided you don't commit another traffic offense for 3 years after using it).

The most recent ticket I had, I called a lawyer (not Crouch) and all he really did was to use the PJC for me. I felt kind of cheated since I could have done that myself, though I suppose I didn't have to bother showing up at court. I guess the lawyer isn't going to strain themself when that option is on the table, though. If I get another ticket in the next 2.5 years while the PJC is still in effect, though, damn lawyer better be able to make it go away, because I do *not* want 2 tickets hitting my insurance at the same time.

A somewhat related question--what's the deal with insurance going down once tickets go off the record? I got a 9 over in 12/05, which of course didn't affect my insurance because of the 2 points, then another in 1/07 which did raise my rates about $400/yr since I didn't lawyer up or use the PJC (foolish, I know). My question is, should my rates be going down early next year, since the 12/05 conviction will go off my record and I'll be back under the magic 3 point line? Or will I have to wait for the 1/07 to go away, or for some unspecified waiting period? Or does it vary by insurance company (I'm with Nationwide)? Thanks, and sorry for the slight thread hijack attempt...

12/22/2008 10:59:42 AM

It should happen automatically when you renew, but you should call your insurance company before your next renewal and ask them to reduce it just to be safe. Nationwide was horrible about not applying when I was with them.

12/22/2008 11:14:34 AM

Update: Court date on Friday. Called Crouch but whew he was pricey. Couldn't really promise much either so went with someone else (William Fay). Pretty much called all the letters I got in the mail and asked how much/what can they promise. We'll see how long it gets continued.

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2009 4:35:35 PM

Crouch was a lot cheaper than my last lawyer, but that was more a "lose your license" situation for me (speeding 35 MPH over + reckless driving) so that might have had some effect on it.

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 5:09 PM. Reason : l]

1/28/2009 5:09:23 PM

I've never been that impressed by what Crouch ended up doing for moparnum5 & me... but perhaps they were just too typical for him to put in any extra effort. All just reduced to 9 over w/ no insurance points. I think we've used him for about 5 tickets over the years.

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM. Reason : fixed it]

1/28/2009 6:24:46 PM

He's done great things for me in all of my careless/reckless driving tickets

PS don't do a doughnut in front of a cop.

1/28/2009 6:30:34 PM

PS don't eat a doughnut in front of a cop.

1/28/2009 8:57:26 PM