my parents just bought a puppy and might have it shipped from minneapolis to houston to raleigh on wednesday just because it's about $200 cheaper than to have it shipped from minneapolis to greensboro. it's about 8 or 9 weeks old. obviously the puppy will be scared shitless and probably take dumps and pee all over its crate, but are there any serious risks about it getting dehydrated and potentially getting sick or hurt? i'm kind of annoyed that my parents couldn't wait a little while longer to get a puppy within driving distance or something, but i guess that's beside the point now.

2/2/2009 2:08:52 AM

If it's not pressurized, I imagine the dog would experience a lot of discomfort. Also, it's the winter so he will be cold as fuck...but that's better than hot.


I think it would be nice of you guys to shell out the extra two hundred bucks for a non-stop flight. It's bad enough to travel as a human in the passenger cabin...can you imagine being an 8-week-old puppy on a cargo plane?

(And, to answer your question, yes, there are serious risks of the dog getting sick or hurt. But there's nothing y'all can do about it, and he should be fine.)

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 2:53 AM. Reason : sss]

2/2/2009 2:51:39 AM

know some folks that had a puppy shipped from france. saw the puppy just after they picked her up from the airport... she was in great shape.

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 3:22 AM. Reason : d]

2/2/2009 3:21:11 AM

lol

not only could your parents not find a shelter dog

they couldn't even find a remotely local breeder dog that they could pick up themselves

2/2/2009 3:27:23 AM

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"not only could your parents not find a shelter dog they couldn't even find a remotely local breeder dog that they could pick up themselves "

no shit. idiots.

2/2/2009 7:43:54 AM

Growing up we had a Rottweiler that my mom purchased from a breeder somewhere on the other side of the country. She was not harmed by the long flight at all. She was alert, bright eyed, healthy, and none the worse for wear. The crate that she was shipped in was also sized for a full grown Rottie, not a puppy, so I think that helped.

2/2/2009 8:04:26 AM

I was under the impression that airlines wouldn't put dogs in the cargo area if the outside temperature wasn't at a minimum temperature. I hope the airline has a conditioned hold for the pet.

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"...but that's better than hot."

I don't know. If the ground temperature is 95 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? If the ground temperature is 20 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? Maybe the main concern is the time they spend in the cargo area while awaiting takeoff?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_happens_to_the_temperature_as_altitude_increases

Must be a descendant of rin tin tin for them to not get a local animal.

^Was that from Minnesota in the winter? Just saying that those are factors to consider.

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 8:09 AM. Reason : -]

2/2/2009 8:06:30 AM

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"minneapolis "

yeah it's going to be cold

2/2/2009 8:09:21 AM

as many breeders there are around here who the fuck buys a dog from minnepolis anyway. I think it is not only irresponsible but wrong to fucking order a "shipped dog" like you would a new flat screen TV or some Sham-Wow's. This is a live animal not a fucking antigue doll.

2/2/2009 8:51:11 AM

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"I think it is not only irresponsible but wrong to fucking order a "shipped dog" like you would a new flat screen TV or some Sham-Wows. This is a live animal not a fucking antique doll."

i agree. it's disgusting and wrong. i couldn't imagine putting a pet through that kinda of trauma. that's pretty fucked up.

2/2/2009 9:34:37 AM

An alternative to having the puppy shipped: http://www.tlcpettransport.com/

2/2/2009 10:04:30 AM

you people.


the dog will be fine.

2/2/2009 10:13:28 AM

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" not only could your parents not find a shelter dog they couldn't even find a remotely local breeder dog that they could pick up themselves"

my dad doesn't want a shelter dog. i don't want to get into the merits of getting one of those because it's his choice if he wants a purebred dog, and i think i'd rather have one too. i'll agree with you on finding a local breeder, but i guess no one nearby is advertising that they're having puppies any time soon.

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"Growing up we had a Rottweiler that my mom purchased from a breeder somewhere on the other side of the country. She was not harmed by the long flight at all. She was alert, bright eyed, healthy, and none the worse for wear. The crate that she was shipped in was also sized for a full grown Rottie, not a puppy, so I think that helped."

thanks. that's more reassuring instead of telling me that my parents are idiots. we got my first dog from arkansas, but little rock to charlotte was a much shorter trip than what the new guy might do.

2/2/2009 10:14:41 AM

Here's American Airline's policy as an example:

http://tinyurl.com/2nr766

But I'm sure the dude that lives in Minneapolis will check up on all this. I think the forecast high is 20 degrees that day. Maybe they'll stick it in the cabin.

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason : -]

2/2/2009 10:24:37 AM

^^ just out of curiosity..what breed is it that it has to come all the way from MN?

2/2/2009 5:42:17 PM

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"lol not only could your parents not find a shelter dog they couldn't even find a remotely local breeder dog that they could pick up themselves"

gg

2/2/2009 5:53:56 PM

aside from the "why not buy local" argument....

ive flown across the country twice with my dog. once when she was 8 weeks and again when she was about 5 months.

both times she was in the crate for at least 8 hours (probably closer to 10-12)

both times she was completely fine

pissed in the kennel, but then again she's a dog

2/2/2009 6:06:21 PM

I think its ridiculous and wrong to have a puppy shipped across country.

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" I don't know. If the ground temperature is 95 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? If the ground temperature is 20 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? Maybe the main concern is the time they spend in the cargo area while awaiting takeoff?"

The temperature at high altitude pretty much stays the same all the time, be it summer or winter.

2/2/2009 6:08:38 PM

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"not only could your parents not find a shelter dog they couldn't even find a remotely local breeder dog that they could pick up themselves""

I don't understand why people piss all over purebred dogs. Owning a pet, especially a dog, is a huge responsibility. Buying a purebred dog allows the owner to better predict a dog's personality and tendencies so they can ensure the dog fits their lifestyle and can be appropriately taken care of. Yes, there are shelters full of mutts, but purebred dogs need homes too, and you might as well have exactly what you want no matter what or where it is.

2/2/2009 6:16:10 PM

Why don't they just ship a dead dog? It's cheaper and the same end result.

2/2/2009 7:12:14 PM

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"Why don't they just ship a dead dog? It's cheaper and the same end result."

hurr

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"^^ just out of curiosity..what breed is it that it has to come all the way from MN?"

chespeake bay retriever. i guess my dad spent some time looking and couldn't find any breeders that were gonna be having more puppies any time soon. i think my parents have been kind of lonely without a dog since they had to put the last one to sleep in august. my mom brought up the rescue dog idea, but my dad wants another chesapeake for some reason.

2/2/2009 7:23:26 PM

^^Dogs are shipped across the country every day in large numbers. It may not be the most pleasant thing for a dog, but it definitely isn't going to show up dead.

2/2/2009 7:54:58 PM

yea it will be fine
we had a wolf shipped to us a few months ago from Texa$
her ticket even said "no meal"

2/2/2009 8:26:17 PM

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"but it definitely isn't going to show up dead."

no

2/2/2009 8:33:22 PM

What do you know about the breeder?
Websites can be misleading. Many puppy mills and bad breeders will have nice attractive websites when in fact they are a puppy mill that could care less about the welfare of their animals... all they care about is how many puppies they can produce.
I'm not saying that this is your case but it's a risk you take when "ordering" a puppy from a breeder halfway across the country.

I'm an advocate for adopting but have no problem with people who want a purebred ( i would recommend a breed rescue first). But if I was going to spend $ on a purebred animal, you better believe I would want to see the environment the pup was raised in, the parents and meet the breeders first hand. I'd want to see vet records of the parents to make sure there are no health problems with the breed.

Shipping an animal is stressful. How can it not be? Most good reputable breeders would never ship their animals halfway across the country.

/my two cents

2/2/2009 8:43:13 PM

"You can order a lab(labrador); ask a golden(retriever); but you must negotiate with a Chesapeake."

2/2/2009 8:47:14 PM

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"my dad doesn't want a shelter dog. i don't want to get into the merits of getting one of those because it's his choice if he wants a purebred dog, and i think i'd rather have one too. "

get a goldfish for fucks sake and save the cash, i cant stand it when people say they dont want a shelter dog, and i dont want to get into the debate about it either

2/2/2009 8:49:56 PM

My grandmother had a red poodle puppy shipped from Texas and it was fine. Crazy ass dog but I don't think that was a result of its flight

2/2/2009 8:53:33 PM

^^Ok, I'll just get a goldfish instead of a purebred...and I'll trust you because you're too good to explain your reasoning.

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"Most good reputable breeders would never ship their animals halfway across the country. "

Not necessarily. Most breeders I talked to when looking into getting my dog were willing to ship them...However, they will insist on waiting a few extra weeks before shipping the dog (as opposed to letting you pick it up at 8 weeks)

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/2/2009 9:00:43 PM

Please adopt. :/

2/2/2009 9:01:48 PM

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"The temperature at high altitude pretty much stays the same all the time, be it summer or winter."

Depends on the emissivity of the aircraft

2/2/2009 9:04:09 PM

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"but purebred dogs need homes too"

no they don't

they get homes

the dog in the shelter needs a home
because at the end of the month, that motherfucker is gonna wonder why the room smells like pennies all of a sudden, and then thats the end of that dog

don't ever say a breeder's dogs need anything

thats honestly up there in the running for the most pathetically stupid thing i've read on this website

2/2/2009 9:09:11 PM

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""You can order a lab(labrador); ask a golden(retriever); but you must negotiate with a Chesapeake.""

they're a pretty challenging breed

2/2/2009 9:10:09 PM

Lots of animals around here need homes and want to have someone love them....and your parents essentially tell them to screw off so they can have a puppy traumatized by shipping it across country? Wow.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=541713

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2009 9:12:32 PM

^ yeah. they're telling those dogs to "screw off"

2/2/2009 9:16:41 PM

I love all the high and mighty people in this thread

Obviously Rat Soup's parents aren't interested in a pound dog and since Rat Soup's parents don't use TWW you're wasting your time.

2/2/2009 9:16:58 PM

i'm not being high and mighty

you know what high and mighty is? paying cash money for a plane ticket for a fucking dog when there are dogs down the street waiting for the most cost efficient way of being killed

thats fucking 8 lords a leaping high and mighty right there

2/2/2009 9:20:18 PM

^ Well said.

I understand not wanting a pound dog, but I think it's a bit excessive to go out and grab something from a breeder and ship it cross country, when there are perfectly fine animals locally that need homes (and are much cheaper to get, as well).

But if that's what they want to do, good luck to them. Kinda feels like a slap in the face to those of us who work hard to get homes for all these homeless animals.

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2009 9:21:08 PM

Yeah. I don't think there is any reasonable justification for buying one, no matter how much money you make. It's like a status symbol of sort, and that doesn't do it for me...

2/2/2009 9:25:46 PM

i just realized this motherfucker started the thread because he wants to know if we support his parents saving $200 to put the dog through a transfer (minn -> greens VS minn -> houston -> raleigh)

to put this politely:

eat shit and die

2/2/2009 9:36:08 PM

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"It's like a status symbol of sort, and that doesn't do it for me..."

Precisely, for you. For other people it does. You're not going to change their minds, especially when you're not even talking to the person in question.

Personally I prefer pound animals because I'm a cheapskate and can't see the value in a purebred when there are perfectly good animals in a shelter. For others there's 100s of reasons they might want a purebred. They don't even have to be rational. But just because someone buys a purebred doesn't make them crazy or an asshole.

2/2/2009 9:38:19 PM

^^
You'd think money wasn't an issue....

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 9:39 PM. Reason : ....]

2/2/2009 9:38:44 PM

I can see the attractiveness of a purebred. For example, I'm a big fan of Dobermans, but I probably won't get one because there are too many other awesome dogs locked up in cages that need homes.

Normally, shelter animals tend to have better (IMHO) dispositions, because they know how shitty things can be, and they know they've got a good life (hopefully!) living with you.

[Edited on February 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2009 9:43:42 PM

my reason is simple there are tons of dogs that need homes, deserve homes and bred dogs will get homes. Its an outrageous waste of money to ship one from the arctic. and he said that he understood why they dont want to adopt and he didn't either so he gets the people being high and mighty.

2/2/2009 9:44:37 PM

doberman is the breed i stick with
first one i got from a shelter
the other 2 from a doberman rescue
sorry for liking a particular breed, but at least i do my part and adopt rather then buy

2/2/2009 10:14:41 PM

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"thats honestly up there in the running for the most pathetically stupid thing i've read on this website"

That's quite the compliment coming from someone that practically lives on this site. Try trolling someone who actually cares. Oh, and try not to confuse the fact that the dog already has a home with the thought that it doesn't need a home.

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"I don't think there is any reasonable justification for buying one, no matter how much money you make"

Wrong. While I agree that shelter dogs often make excellent pets, There are legitimate reasons to purchase a purebred dog. Choosing a particular breed gives you better insight towards the adult dog's characteristics, so if you have certain wants/needs (guard dog, retriever, especially affectionate, especially quiet, less shedding) you can be confident you are getting what you need when you select a breed. A shelter dog, especially a shelter puppy, is much more of a crapshoot.

2/2/2009 10:27:34 PM

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"i just realized this motherfucker started the thread because he wants to know if we support his parents saving $200 to put the dog through a transfer (minn -> greens VS minn -> houston -> raleigh) to put this politely: eat shit and die"

this motherfucker started the thread because he was concerned about the safety of a fucking animal being shipped that far to begin with, cocksucker. this motherfucker hasn't been in the loop on his parents' decision to get a new dog, mainly because he doesn't live with his parents, and it's not his fucking dog to begin with.

look asshole, i asked a legitimate question here. thankfully there were some people who actually gave reassuring and helpful answers on what i had asked about. i didn't ask for bleeding heart assholes like yourself to come up in here and tell me that both me and my parents are such awful people for this. i guess i should've named the thread "hay guys, how much should my parents spend on shipping for this dog?"

go fuck yourself

2/2/2009 10:48:27 PM

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"I don't understand why people piss all over purebred dogs. Owning a pet, especially a dog, is a huge responsibility. Buying a purebred dog allows the owner to better predict a dog's personality and tendencies so they can ensure the dog fits their lifestyle and can be appropriately taken care of. Yes, there are shelters full of mutts, but purebred dogs need homes too, and you might as well have exactly what you want no matter what or where it is."

A shelter dog is a crapshoot, there's no way you can say otherwise. Getting a dog is a very long term committment (my breed lives 15-20 years) and if I'm going to have that animal as a companion for that long I want to know exactly what I'm getting. So I'm going to want to know all about the breed in particular, as well as its parents and lineage's medical history. Paying a lot of money isn't all about status, its about knowing exactly (or close) what you're getting.

2/2/2009 11:02:37 PM

can one of the moderators close this thread please?

2/2/2009 11:10:41 PM

no, but i'll close page 1.

2/3/2009 12:36:22 AM