Illegal Immigration gets talked about alot on here, and how it relates to illegals taking American jobs. Seems as though its legal to take American jobs with the H1-B visa... only now people have been caught really abusing the system to lower wages and not hire American workers.

Bringing in foreign workers when Americans could be doing the job is a load of BS, especially if it involves lowering wages because they will work for nothing.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US/Indians-involved-in-major-US-H-1B-visa-racket/articleshow/4124465.cms
Indians involved in major US H-1B visa racket

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9127943&intsrc=hm_list
Fed indictments tell how H-1B visas were used to undercut wages

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"WASHINGTON: US federal authorities have claimed to have unearthed a major H-1B visa racket with the arrest of at least 11 persons, most of them suspected to be of Indian origin. Though the officials did not reveal the citizenship of those arrested, the names released indicated that almost all of them are either Indian or persons of Indian origin. Vision Systems Group, an IT company headquartered in South Plainfield New Jersey, has been indicted on 10 federal counts including conspiracy and mail fraud charge. Viswa Mandalapu is its CEO and president, according to the information available on the company's website. "

2/16/2009 3:00:39 AM

Ah yes, the crime where america is better off because it is being committed.


RAWRRRRRR I'm entitled to my pay RAAAAWR. Fuck competition


For a related thread
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=556554&page=2#12629204

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" (2) Modify immigration laws to make it easy for highly educated foreigners to come, work, and stay in the US. Under no circumstances should academic leniency for American students be an answer. "

While we're complaining about stupid shit

- Fuck government workers for doing the same job as me at a lower price
- Fuck people at smaller companies for doing the same job as me at a lower price
- Fuck future machines that will do parts of my job at a lower price

I don't give a fuck if increased productivity is the engine of economic growth.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 3:31 AM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 3:18:01 AM

not offering any opinions on the crimes commited here, but just chiming in to say: i hope the Indian Rupee gets much much stronger in relation to the US Dollar, the Pound Sterling, and the Euro -- that IMHO is the ultimate win-win.

2/16/2009 11:51:38 AM

2/16/2009 11:58:46 AM

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"Ah yes, the crime where america is better off because it is being committed."

Yes, we're always better off when we import someone to take a job for lower pay than the going rate for said work. Especially when they send a huge portion of their income back to their home country.

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"The H-1B workers were also victims, according to the federal indictments. Some were hired for jobs that didn't exist. One worker from Pakistan who arrived in the U.S. for a programming job, for instance, ended up with a job pumping gas."

This sounds very fair indeed. Not scammy at all.

2/16/2009 12:15:14 PM

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"Especially when they send a huge portion of their income back to their home country."

What portion?

Injuns generally come here to settle.

2/16/2009 12:56:57 PM

CORPORATE AMERICA GETS WHAT CORPORATE AMERICA WANTS!!!!!

2/16/2009 1:40:50 PM

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"What portion? Injuns generally come here to settle."

The ones I've known enough to be somewhat close with have sent a huge portion of their money back to people from their home country. I knew one guy who was making less than $40k a year who sent back close to $50k in a 3-4 year period. People he hadn't seen in years and didn't really know would send him letters requesting huge sums of money. He would never send as much as they asked for, but he felt dishonored if he didn't send something.

Another friend's wife would throw away all letters from India that came from people who were not in his immediate family so that he could honestly say "I never saw the letter" when people asked him about it on trips back home.

I think it's good that they help their families at home, but it isn't helping the American economy when we displace native workers in favor of a person who is going to work for less money and send a good portion of their earnings back home. I was really arguing against the idea that it is "good for America."

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM. Reason : l]

2/16/2009 1:58:14 PM

which is worse

sending money overseas to help your family

or

sending money overseas to save $200 on a plasma tv

2/16/2009 2:08:32 PM

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"Yes, we're always better off when we import someone to take a job for lower pay than the going rate for said work. Especially when they send a huge portion of their income back to their home country."

'We' indeed are. While the specific instance you describe may lower the pay of some U.S. workers, all U.S. consumers benefit from the lower prices. And this effect is cumulative, so you cannot even say these few U.S. workers were harmed absolutely, because they are also consumers. As such, while their absolute salary may be lower, that lower salary buys more goods and services with competition than their higher salary would have without competition.

2/16/2009 2:21:00 PM

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/02/feds-finally-cracking-down-on-h-1b-abuses.ars

Here's a good article on things.

^ communist

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 3:08:29 PM

I think the article moron posted sums up my thoughts:

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"When the H-1B program is used properly, it's a great way to increase America's global technology competitiveness. By enabling American companies to tap the best and brightest workers from foreign labor markets, we can bring even more of the world's money back to America and create more American jobs in other corners of the labor market, for a net gain in employed citizens. But when the program is abused, it can have precisely the opposite effect by making the affected fields look less attractive to bright and ambitious Americans, some of whom may opt for non-tech career paths with better compensation prospects. Let's hope that in this present period of a shrinking job market and falling wages, the federal government takes a very close look at the H-1B program to ensure that it's working as designed. The current crackdown is an encouraging start, but if it adds momentum to a protectionist backlash against the very existence of the H-1B program, then that would counter-productive—a "reverse stimulus," if you will, and at a time when we need every edge we can get. "

2/16/2009 5:40:10 PM

I heard a great idea recently: Buy a house, get a visa.

2/16/2009 9:26:32 PM

^ omg lol

what a perfect plan!

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 9:34:42 PM

^^ Pretty easy these days if they're willing to live in Detroit.

Now that I think about it, as bad as Detroit may be, it's probably still a step up from some of the countries people are coming from...

2/16/2009 10:56:15 PM

I wish they would have placed a "buy American" clause in this spending bill they just passed

2/17/2009 12:33:24 AM

I wish they would have placed a "buy Earthling" clause in this spending bill they just passed

2/17/2009 12:46:05 AM

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-administration-plans-to-require-higher-wages-for-h-1b-visa-holders-d644b685?st=URAZq6&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Isn't it bad when you raise immigrant wages?

3/27/2026 12:45:02 AM

It's to disincentivize employers being tempted to hire H1-Bs because they'd be willing to accept lower salaries. If employers have to pay immigrants "the same" as US citizens, then employers will only hire an H1-B if they truly just can't find US citizens to do the job, as the H1-B system was intended.

3/27/2026 1:31:35 AM

I'm not racist if that sounds good?

3/27/2026 1:42:36 AM

So immigrants were ok with below rate wages, and when they had to play fair, companies would rather go with americans?

3/27/2026 1:46:00 AM

It was already illegal to pay h1bs less, the problem with h1bs is that the visa is tied to the employer so it’s much harder to change jobs, and losing their job has a bigger impact. This lack of mobility causes other employment stresses

3/27/2026 9:47:22 AM