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StillFuchsia
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7925085.stm

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"Canada bus killer not accountable

A man who beheaded a fellow bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness, a Canadian judge has ruled.

Justice John Scurfield said Chinese immigrant Vince Li should not be held accountable for the killing last July.

The decision means Mr Li, 41, will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison.

The victim's family dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Mr Li to get away with murder.

Carol deDelley, mother of victim Tim McLean, said her son did not die in vain and that his death would highlight concerns about the justice system.

'Grotesque' attack

The judge called the attack "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder".

"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defence," he said.

Mr Li admitted killing Mr McLean, 22, but pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the attack.

The prosecution and defence agreed that Mr Li, 41, is schizophrenic. The court heard that Mr Li had claimed that God had instructed him to kill Mr McLean.

The trial lasted less than two days and heard from just two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified Mr Li is mentally ill.

Dr Jonathan Rootenberg, for the defence, said Mr Li claimed to hear the voice of God telling him to kill Mr Mclean or risk being killed himself.

"The voice said: 'Do it now... If you don't, he's going to kill you'."

Scene of the attack

Dr Stanley Yaren, for the prosecution, said Mr Li was undergoing a major psychotic episode, including auditory hallucinations.

Furthermore, Mr Li believed his victim had supernatural powers and would come back to life if he did not cut him apart and spread his body parts around, Dr Yaren said.

The attack on 30 July last year took place in front of terrified passengers as the inter-city Greyhound bus travelled through Canada's vast prairies.

The court heard the details of the attack in a statement of fact agreed to by the prosecution and defence.

Mr Li, a former church custodian and computer programmer who immigrated to Canada in 2001, stabbed Mr McLean, who was sitting next to him, 50 or 60 times before cutting off his head and removing internal organs.

The attack began without warning. Alerted by screams from the victim, the driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr Li continued his attack.

Body parts

Police documents said Mr Li appeared to "smell, and then eat parts of Tim McLean's flesh" as they surrounded him in the bus 90km (55 miles) west of Winnipeg.

Body parts were found in plastic bags throughout the bus and the victim's nose and tongue and one of his ears were found in Mr Li's pocket, police said.

Mr Li, who had been locked in the bus, was apprehended as he tried to leave by a window.

He was later heard in a pre-trial hearing to plead "please kill me".

Mr McLean's family want to change the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well without serving a minimum sentence in jail."


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3/5/2009 2:55:28 PM

ThePeter
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lol, asians and their beheading

3/5/2009 2:56:50 PM

hershculez
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geeze. stabbing 50-60 time. beheading. then removing internal organs. I would throw up everywhere if I was on that bus (and not being beheaded).

3/5/2009 2:58:25 PM

Ragged
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whats the deal with this mental shit its being passed around like A.D.D.

3/5/2009 2:59:29 PM

ThePeter
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^Obama

3/5/2009 2:59:56 PM

Slave Famous
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I'm shocked in this day and age no one snapped that shit with a cameraphone

3/5/2009 3:01:16 PM

StillFuchsia
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the more violent the crime, the crazier you are... and the less jail time you'll get, apparently

dude should be put down, I really can't see him "rehabilitating"

3/5/2009 3:01:55 PM

Kodiak
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Do you wanna know why I use a knife?

3/5/2009 3:03:39 PM

EMCE
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yep, well, that sounds about right. In this day and age, we don't punish the mentally ill like we do those who aren't mentally ill...

3/5/2009 3:05:32 PM

se7entythree
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defense

3/5/2009 3:08:48 PM

TreeTwista10
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whatever happened to crazy

3/5/2009 3:09:00 PM

ThePeter
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It got classified as a mental illness so its not the crazy person's fault that they murdered entire families.

3/5/2009 3:09:58 PM

Kiwi
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I only read the first two sentences.

3/5/2009 3:10:21 PM

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ridiculous

3/5/2009 3:11:27 PM

EMCE
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I mean, I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't Li's fault that he killed someone. The court is clearly just saying they're not going to hold him fully accountable (prison)

3/5/2009 3:13:20 PM

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looks like im in the clear if i go cut up a family and ship there bodies to their familymembers

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM. Reason : lol]

3/5/2009 3:14:46 PM

DeltaBeta
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Execute him.

3/5/2009 3:16:19 PM

Jeepin4x4
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if you cut up a family there wouldn't be any family members.

3/5/2009 3:16:44 PM

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"the more violent the crime, the crazier you are... and the less jail time you'll get, apparently

dude should be put down, I really can't see him "rehabilitating""

3/5/2009 3:24:10 PM

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looks like if you kill someone and take an insanity plea, you'll have your past and present evaluated by mental health officials...who will then serve as an expert witness in your trial.

Seriously, do you all REALLY think it's that easy to just act 'insane' to get off charges?

3/5/2009 3:25:26 PM

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3/5/2009 3:08:48 PM
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GO TA HELL BRITAIN.


ATTACK THEM WITH NAPALM UNTIL THEY SPELL IT AMERICAN STYLE.

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2009 3:26:27 PM

Ragged
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"if you cut up a family there wouldn't be any family members."


im sure they have extended family, which is what i meant

3/5/2009 3:26:41 PM

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Blame Canada?

3/5/2009 3:26:44 PM

Ragged
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well at least i get free healthcare

3/5/2009 3:29:07 PM

Mr. Joshua
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"if you cut up a family there wouldn't be any family members."


Yes. You could say that they've been dismembered.

HAR HAR HAR

3/5/2009 3:34:33 PM

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speechless....the judge should be forced to live with that crazy ass Asian in his cell with a knife in hand for one twenty four hour period and if he lives thru the night then we'll know the guy isnt a murderer....this case pisses me off about the criminal law system!

3/5/2009 3:52:20 PM

ThePeter
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"A man who beheaded a fellow bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness, a Canadian judge has ruled."


Blame Canada

3/5/2009 4:01:42 PM

dyne
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nothings perfect... people get away with crimes all the time.

3/5/2009 4:38:19 PM

0EPII1
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"Police documents said Mr Li appeared to "smell, and then eat parts of Tim McLean's flesh" as they surrounded him in the bus 90km (55 miles) west of Winnipeg.

Body parts were found in plastic bags throughout the bus and the victim's nose and tongue and one of his ears were found in Mr Li's pocket, police said."



3/5/2009 4:38:48 PM

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