i get to play with one of these for a while, i didnt even know they existed.

totally awesome, innovative, and the dvd drive is like a car cd player!!1

i think a lot of custom builders are gonna have trouble duplicating this setup.

so rad <3

5/22/2009 7:20:50 AM

my bad, the xps one

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-xps-a2420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&ref=dthp&s=dhs

5/22/2009 8:41:36 AM

Thats kinda cool. We replaced alot of our remote machines with iMacs since they were the cheapest all in one around. All they do is login to a vpn and then fire up remote desktop, so the client OS is pretty much irrelevent. I didnt know Dell made similar equipment.

It also looks like the 20" dell is a good $300 less than the 20" imac.

5/22/2009 9:29:06 AM

pretty cool

5/22/2009 11:06:21 AM

Yo leg, lemme hold $1800 bucks.

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM. Reason : plus tax]

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM. Reason : shipping too]

5/22/2009 11:08:19 AM

[lenovo whoring]

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=1BBF8032E5314C7BACC6315B57622815&tab=2#tab-container-3

pretty much the same thing but available with a fancy schmancy remote that can be used like a wii-remote mouse type deal and vOIP handset. And its cheaper. No larger screen though.

[/lenovo whoring]

5/22/2009 11:22:39 AM

I've used the Dell before as well. I like it. Keyboard is very nice. Lenovo just came out with their all-in-one A600. Played around with it some last week. Keyboard is not as nice as Dell keyboard and it feels cheaper. Has 4-in-1 remote that works decently. Reviews out there are good so far. It beats the Dell in price with same config. The Dell doesn't have a 4-in-1 remote, but it definately had better speakers. I liked how the Dell One has an internal power supply. The Lenovo has an external brick.

5/22/2009 11:29:49 AM

ehh, all the problems of a laptop without the mobility.

Why not just get a laptop and a large monitor w/ a docking station?

5/22/2009 12:49:36 PM

^ Price to Performance ratio

5/22/2009 12:59:16 PM

^ seriously?

I've only seen the price of the dell. And for that, I think I can configure a laptop that is just as good if not better + get a 22" monitor for about the same price. Not really sure about the one you posted an image of.


Looked up the Lenovo, the specs and prices are pretty good. Better than the dell considering the sale prices.

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 1:24 PM. Reason : specs]

5/22/2009 1:04:33 PM

laptop + docking station + keyboard is way more expensive than an all in one

Price isn't the only benefit. All in ones are easier to setup and use. Where I work our remote workforce is made up mostly of older nurses. They have no idea what the fuck when it comes to technology. We sent one a laptop where the wireless on/off was controlled by a touch button (along side volume, other quick buttons) and she could not figure out how to just touch the button to turn in it. When we used to send them out full desktops with seperate monitors, towers, etc... half of the support desk's time was spent just getting them to plug stuff into the right port.

5/22/2009 1:38:08 PM

ehh, you don't really need the docking station so nix that. I'm pretty sure laptops have keyboards built in... so maybe you meant Monitor? Though the monitor is only necessary if you definitely want a larger screen.

Sure, if you factor in users and what not there are going to be all sorts of benefits and drawbacks to each type of computer. I'm talking about tech specs, major benefits (mobility, ease of upgrading/repairing, etc). And I'm talking about personal use. There are many more factors that come into play when you're talking larger scale.

I think the the dell all in one is a great product for someone who isn't ever going to work on their computer themselves and who want to save space. And the Lenovo is even better with its price.

Cramming everything into a form factor like this (comparable to a laptop) makes it more difficult to work on and upgrade if you want. Again, doesn't matter as much if you're just gonna pay someone else to do it. It's also not mobile. They also can't be customized very much when it comes to the processor and ram they ship with.

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2009 1:44:12 PM

Quote :

"I think the the dell all in one is a great product for someone who isn't ever going to work on their computer themselves and who want to save space. And the Lenovo is even better with its price."

I aggree, but laptops have the same upgrade problems so I dont see where anyone would be better off getting a laptop in this situation. Again, I'm looking for something cheap thats going to be easy to setup and easy to manage from a user standpoint.

A laptop + monitor + keyboard + mouse (because trying to use a laptop keyboard/mouse for an 8 hour shift is a nightmare) will always be more expensive than an all in one. Especially considering the price of that lenovo.

5/22/2009 2:30:19 PM

Quote :

"I aggree, but laptops have the same upgrade problems so I dont see where anyone would be better off getting a laptop in this situation."

That's my point exactly. It presents the same problem as the laptop without the benefit of mobility. I didn't say the laptop was a better option because of that. I said it was equal and considering that, the benefits of the laptop outweighed the all-in-one for me (at least Dell's all in one).

i don't think you can beat the lenovo.


Again, I'm talking about personal general use and not work. Although I see people use their laptops for work all day with no complaints. To each their own.

This was a quick search, not looking at brands like Acer, HP, etc. or looking for the best deal necessarily. Just looked around dell then the easiest site I could think for monitors.


XPS one 20 - $899
20" 1680 x 1050
Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2ghz, 2mb L2, 800mhz
Windows Vista Home Prem. 32
2GB 667 DDR2
250 SATAII 7200rpm


Dell Studio 15 - $649
Core 2 Duo T6400 - 2ghz, 2mb L2, 800mhz (with 3 upgrade options)
3GB ddr2 800mhz (upgrade to 4GB for $35)
250GB SATAII 5400rpm (4 upgrade options, including 7200rpm for $50)

+

Dell S2009w 20" - $129
Dell s2009wfp 20" - $139
Dell UltraSharp 2009w 20" (stand is height, tilt, swivel adjustable and pivots) - $169
Samsung ToC T220HD 22", built in tuner, HDMI - $270 (newegg)


= $778, $788, $818, or $919


So for $20 more, you get a comparable setup spec-wise (avg. user prob. wouldn't notice a difference), much more mobility, a monitor that is 2" bigger, HDMI, dual-monitor capabilities. If the screen craps out, you have a spare one. Unlike the all-in-one which you would have to take to have repaired.

Yes, it's more difficult to set up and it has a larger foot-print. If you want an external keyboard and mouse, get one off craigslist or tww for $10 or free.


I don't know, I'm just saying that for me personally the all-in-one (Dell at least) doesn't get me excited as far as personal use goes. The lenovo certainly peaks my interest.

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2009 2:45:05 PM

^dude he isn't talking about personal use. and his users specifically cant use them mobile.

5/22/2009 3:05:21 PM

^ Really? I'm talking about personal use. I posted what i had to say about the all-in-one and that I could get a comparable laptop for the same price which would add additional mobility. That post was not in reply to anything he said. Just my personal opinion which certainly fits in the thread considering the OP. He told me I was wrong about the cost. He also posted some stuff about work use. I pointed out that i was specifically talking about personal use and I also provided an example comparing the Dell One 20 to a laptop + monitor setup in support of my original post. Which again, had nothing to do with anything he said before my post.

I've also pointed out/acknowledged several times that the factors in a work/ large scale situation are different than personal use and that I'm specifically talking about the latter.

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2009 3:15:09 PM

^yet you've followed with 6 more posts arguing with him about a point he isn't even making.

Show me a 24" monitor (1920x1200)+laptop with a Quad core processor, 4gb of ram, a 9600m 512mb nVidia card, tv tuner, card reader slots, 750gb 7200rpm hard drive, S/PDIF digital audio output, wireless keyboard and mouse, and firewire.

For $1799.00.

Even if you go with some tardo off-brand laptop, you are going to either pay out the nose, or have several external devices to get this functionality. You are making an apples and oranges comparison.

5/22/2009 3:56:53 PM

I've posted a total of 5 times in this thread before this post (6 counting this).
1 - my original post.
2 - reply to xvang.
3 & 4 - in reply to Shaggy.
5 & 6 - in reply to you.

Are you counting the edits i made for typos or something? How do you come up with 6 posts "arguing with him?" Why should I consider anything you're saying when it seems you can't even count? Even though your arithmetic and reading comprehension skills suggest you're an idiot, I read on for the fact that your posts are usually pretty reasonable and informative.


Have you read my posts in this thread? I consistently used language that suggested I was looking at it from a personal-use perspective and mostly from a personal view point. I also clarified that we were looking at it from different view points (remember, he was replying to my post). I also clarified something where he misunderstood my point about the laptop and an all-in-one both being difficult to work on given their form-factor.

i only argued (if you want to call it that) with him to point out that he was wrong in saying I was wrong about the cost. That's it. I didn't attempt to say he was wrong about anything else. Beyond that, I agreed with him on some things.

After clarifying the form-factor stuff, I mentioned how good the lenovo price was. Then i hit enter, not once, but twice to signify I was off of that point. I then reminded everyone I was looking at it from a home/personal user perspective (though I did mention people using laptops at work) and then I went on to actually compare a set up to a Dell XPS One 20. I started looking that stuff up while I was doing other stuff after I first posted in this thread. It wasn't in reply to him. It was posted to support what I'd previously said. It was per chance that the point I was supporting was the same he disagreed with. Which was fine by me.


I notice you didn't bother arguing with my example. Instead you went to their most expensive model and asked me to find a comparable set up. I never said I could show you what you're asking. I did however show a fairly comparable setup performance-wise to the least expensive Dell XPS One (which I acknowledge may not be the best bang for your buck model of the XPS ones). If I was going to spend $1800, maybe that respective model is unbeatable. I don't know. I didn't look at it and don't care to. Most users aren't going to spend $1800. Even if they are, I'm certainly not so it's of no interest to me.

I'm sure after reading that, you'll want to go through and point how the XPS One 20 is much better than what I posted. But every reasonable person knows that the avg. user wouldn't notice much of a difference between those.



Additionally, I will make any comparison I want. I will go as far as comparing apples to rocking chairs if I so choose. Why is it so unacceptable to compare apples and oranges? Anyhow, I was comparing the cost of one product, and the pros and cons of said product, to that of another in the same context (personal use). It's not like I was comparing a 747 to a space shuttle and both in regard to mass transit.

I don't know if you and him are friends or what. It seems i've struck a nerve by suggesting that he was mistaken in telling me I was wrong about the cost. But man, I'm just posting my opinion. And it's one which I think fits into the thread just fine. Nobody else has had anything to say about my first post. Nor about me being wrong about the cost.

5/22/2009 5:51:13 PM

rather have an imac



i would have never said that a year ago

5/22/2009 6:38:01 PM

Quote :

"I've posted a total of 5 times in this thread before this post (6 counting this). "

Noen beat you down so badly that all you have left to open with is an argument on his estimate of your number of posts?


Awesome.

5/22/2009 7:07:17 PM

^^^Because you are making the classic "This sucks because I would rather have X for reasons Y and Z".

You added nothing to the thread, and filled it with tons of personal opinion and singular examples.

Quote :

"Be thoughtful/humorous - Hundreds of people browse the message board each day. Before you post something, think to yourself, "would the majority of the users want to read this?". If the answer is "no", then don't post it. "

The majority of us don't give a damn that YOU don't want a all-in-one because YOU only want something portable. If you want something portable, it's obvious you wouldn't consider one of these, so why even bother going down that road of argument?

5/22/2009 7:17:23 PM

Topic of thread = "the dell studio (xps) desktop"

The OP didn't really say much about it other than it's cool and that he loved it (his opinion). Aside from that, he suggested that custom builders would have trouble duplicating the setup. And that's it really.

If this thread was solely intended for people to suck off the Dell XPS One, then I apologize. But it should have been titled the Dell XPS suck-off thread in that case so nobody gets confused. Considering the first post was an opinion, I thought it was a thread about the Dell XPS One and our opinions of it. Opinions of it could be related to cost, performance, foot-print, form factor, materials used, all sorts of things really.

My first post was my opinion of it in consideration of form-factor, price, and pros/cons considering those things. fits in just fine, no? Everything else stemmed from that. And to be honest, was perfectly legit until you decided to chime in Noen.


How did this add to the thread:

Quote :

"Thats kinda cool. We replaced alot of our remote machines with iMacs since they were the cheapest all in one around. All they do is login to a vpn and then fire up remote desktop, so the client OS is pretty much irrelevant. I didn't know Dell made similar equipment."

I'm not trying to say anything about Shaggy's post here. I think his post was fine. But I don't see how Noen thinks that post is any more relevant than my original post.

He agreed with the OP that it was cool (that's relevant) and said they replaced some machines with iMacs because they were the cheapest all-in-ones at the time (the price is relevant). He then added an anecdotal story that doesn't really have anything to with the XPS One or all-in-ones for that matter. What he is using his machines for is not relevant and I don't imagine a majority of the users really wanted to read it (but then again, how would i know?). But, I didn't care that he posted it.

Wolfmarsh definitely failed to add anything. Have you quoted any posting guidelines to him? And no wolfmarsh, noen didn't beat me down. Not in the least bit. What he said was ultimately pretty worthless. I was just pointing out that in addition to being worthless, it was not accurate. My "opening argument", as you put it, proved him wrong about something (albeit trivial.. though something that should have been easy for him to get right). And then I pointed out more stuff he was wrong about. Has he shown that I've been wrong about anything (other than maybe not observing tww posting guidelines, that people ignore all the time anyhow)?

Since we're talking about it Wolfmarsh; If a valid and true argument about his post on my part illustrates that i "got beat down", what does it mean that the best he could do was a quote from the posting guidelines?


Noen, I posted a perfectly acceptable response. and relevant posts stemmed from that. And then you came in here acting like a douchebag and saying shit that wasn't true. That's what happened.

You and wolfmarsh are actually the only people who have posted and not added to the topic of the thread. All you've done is talk about my posts. You haven't really said anything about the Dell XPS One, the lenovos, or all-in-ones in general.

Quote :

"Because you are making the classic "This sucks because I would rather have X for reasons Y and Z"."

I never said it sucks. I inferred that I don't like it at the $900 price point. I like the lenovo's at their prices a lot. I may actually buy one while they're on sale.

And no, it's not the case at all that I only want something portable. I've actually never owned a laptop. In the past, I've felt the mobility wasn't worth the costs and trade-offs compared to a desktop. On that note, one of the reasons I'm considering one of the Lenovos is that it's just portable enough that I can carry it downstairs and work on it while doing other things.

And you're right, if you want something mobile you won't look at an all-in-one very long. But what if you want a new computer? No reason not to compare an all-in-one and laptop in that case.

Noen, do you think quoting that guideline is somewhat ironic considering the content of your post and the topic?

I know it would be retarded for me to quote that guideline in this post. But you do realize that the people clicking "the dell studio one desktop" probably don't expect/want to read the shit you and I have posted back and forth right?

If we're done talking about my posts, maybe the thread can get back on topic.

5/22/2009 9:00:27 PM

I bet you're one of those guys that just loves to hear himself talk aren't you?

5/23/2009 1:04:30 AM

all major manufacturers have been jumping onto the all-in-one market with some pretty good-looking pieces. Yes, for the money you may be able to build a faster rig, but just like a factory car vs kit car, these thing are often better fit and finish. I picked up an HP Touchsmart a few months ago and has been pretty smooth overall for an entertainment PC/bedroom TV-DVR. Although OS stability is very questionable for no apparent reason

5/23/2009 1:39:14 AM

I would buy one of these for my wife to use in the kitchen in a heartbeat.


Awww snap, I added something on topic.

5/23/2009 2:30:53 AM

I mean, I type out some long posts here and there... but my eyes seriously blurred after the first sentence. No idea what you even wrote duro, but based on the first and last couple of sentences, it was a bunch of self-rationalizing mumbling.

Back to the real thread--------

^^Do you use the multi-touch on it at all? That seems like the biggest selling point, but I just have a hard time seeing anyone really use it as an everyday touchscreen, unless maybe you lay it down flat?

5/23/2009 4:24:37 AM

Yeah touchscreen is what sold it for me really, although i was expecting the app market to pick up a lot quicker. Right now the support is weak, HP's own proprietory shell is the only thing that supports milti-touch, although Windows 7 promises to have multi-touch built-in. I usually dont use touch for web browising and everyday use, also i use WMC for TV/Music/Video as it is easier to work with the remote and im lazy. I use it for pictures and some random touch apps. There are some really cool 3-rd pary apps that work with the touch interface, most of them do not yet support multitouch either. HP failed to start a good app initiative like apple's App store, although HP did release a developers pack and there were a few [very basic] apps made. From what im hearing, all developers are writing toward windows 7 (something to do with the .NET framework difference?) If you look at third-party multitouch demos on TouchSmart from NextWindow and CanineInteractive, the technology is there and the potential is awesome. Some other brands are jumping on touch bandwagon, so improvements to software to come hopefully.

As far as ergonomics, touch is the most comfortable when the thing sits on a tall bar slightly leaned back and the user is stading up. Using touch while sitting down seems a bit awkward. I think Microsoft has it right with the Surface for sit-down touch coputing (it should be horizontal)

Even without the touch, its one of the sexiest all-in-ones out there and definitely one of the best designs from HP so far.

And it runs Mac OSX i hear, for those interested.

5/23/2009 6:19:42 AM

Quote :

"ehh, you don't really need the docking station so nix that."

have you ever seen a RAD docking station? you NEED one!!

Quote :

"OS stability is very questionable for no apparent reason"

ps, thats why i had one to play with, someone had installed vista on top of itself 4 times. they had a hell of a time with it. and the C drive was mapped to the recovery partition, and D had windows partition and like 700gb free. (they had told me the HD was full)

a little paragon, dban, and windows install, and about 2 hours on the drivers site and it was working nice.

i guess they're easy to fuck up... but it was stable while i had mine (i know we're talking about different specific products, but you get my point)

6/21/2009 8:06:21 PM