http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/07/20/ohio-law-would-give-men-final-decision-in-abortion/

7/21/2009 10:35:52 AM

TRUTH

finally some equal rights

7/21/2009 10:40:50 AM

hey look a bill with no chance of passing that was proposed to make a point!

7/21/2009 11:03:31 AM

I think it's fair to say that the woman has a little more at stake in the decision.

7/21/2009 11:04:58 AM

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"Throw in the fact that Adams’ plan would prohibit an abortion in cases where mothers don’t know the identity of the father (and bringing forth a fake would carry jail time), and I’m still trying to see how this could possibly be anything but punishment for the women involved"

well if you can't ban abortion for all just ban it for slutty girls.

and maybe he just like the Maury show that much.

[Edited on July 21, 2009 at 11:07 AM. Reason : this serves the same purpose as proposing a flag burning bill..]

7/21/2009 11:05:54 AM

Does that mean if i rape a girl then i can appeal from prison my right for the rape victim to carry to term my baby since i'm a DNA contributor.

7/21/2009 11:26:32 AM

i dont get how men are gonna be able to force a woman to have an abortion. its good that men finally have some say, but how are you gonna FORCE a woman to have one?

7/21/2009 11:36:04 AM

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"its good that men finally have some say, "

umm, what?

7/21/2009 11:44:21 AM

Without having read the bill in question, I can still guarantee that there is nothing in the bill about forcing women to have abortions.

It's about men being able to prevent women from aborting the fetuses that are the product of their sperm. It's absolutely retarded.

7/21/2009 11:54:40 AM

^^usually men want the women to have one and the woman doesnt want to have one so its good that men have some say now?

[Edited on July 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM. Reason : but how could you force a woman to have one if she didn't want to?]

7/21/2009 12:02:17 PM

You punch her in the gut.

7/21/2009 12:43:26 PM

7/21/2009 1:34:31 PM

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"hey look a bill with no chance of passing that was proposed to make a point!"

Exactly.
This is retarded. A pregnancy is a part of a women's body, not a man's.
Men don't and shouldn't have any say in whether or not a pregnancy is aborted.

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" its good that men finally have some say"

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"so its good that men have some say now"

dnl, what part of "would" do you not understand?....as in, "Ohio Law Would Give...." It's not a law -- it's just a bill.

7/21/2009 1:46:54 PM

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"usually men want the women to have one and the woman doesnt want to have one so its good that men have some say now? "

what about the Slore that wants to have the baby to keep prince charming from leaving her.

7/21/2009 1:53:14 PM

thats what i'm wondering. how would they force her to get one? or maybe the guy doesnt have to pay child support or something?

7/21/2009 1:57:33 PM

This bill has nothing to do with that. Jesus Christ. It's another right-to-life bullshit bill. And

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"what about the Slore that wants to have the baby to keep prince charming from leaving her."

This is a fact of life. As a man, you are royally fucked in family law. Keep that in mind when you're deciding to stick your dick in something.

7/21/2009 2:05:13 PM

What an idiot. Come on GOP... focus. You've got to work on stopping Obama-care

7/21/2009 2:14:59 PM

^
The GOP is socialism in republican clothing...don't you know?

7/21/2009 2:21:06 PM

i honestly do feel that men should be allowed to have more say. i don't think a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion. if he got her pregnant then he should have to display the personal responsibility and pay for the child.

however, just as the man should be expected to live up to the personal responsibility and consequences of their actions so should a woman. if the man is willing to take care of the child and support it, primarily on his own, then he should be allowed to prevent an abortion from happening. it is his kid too.

7/21/2009 2:45:50 PM

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"The GOP is socialism in republican clothing...don't you know?"

7/21/2009 2:49:23 PM

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"however, just as the man should be expected to live up to the personal responsibility and consequences of their actions so should a woman. if the man is willing to take care of the child and support it, primarily on his own, then he should be allowed to prevent an abortion from happening. it is his kid too."

But c'mon. The man doesn't have to put himself at risk of bodily harm forcing the fetus out of him or have major surgery. It's horrible to suggest that one person should have power to force this upon another.

7/21/2009 3:43:46 PM

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"usually men want the women to have one and the woman doesnt want to have one so its good that men have some say now?"

DNL, do you know the difference between a bill and a law?

7/21/2009 3:43:57 PM

^^ everyone knows the consequences. it is not unreasonable to suggest that both parties be expected to uphold themselves to the reasonably expected consequences of their actions.

you act as if the mother is being put in dire peril, which is not the case.

7/21/2009 4:32:08 PM

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" This is a fact of life. As a man, you are royally fucked in family law. Keep that in mind when you're deciding to stick your dick in something. "

I was just providing a counter example to the dude that said its the "MAN" that wants to keep the baby.

7/21/2009 5:20:44 PM

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"Men don't and shouldn't have any say in whether or not a pregnancy is aborted."

Until such time as men can in some form or another legally walk away from a pregnancy and not be responsible for child care, they should absolutely get a say in the abortion debate.

7/21/2009 8:08:14 PM

^

if two people have the responsibility for making the decision to conceive and two people have the responsibility to a child once born, why is it that only one person gets any say for a brief nine month period?

and sure, if the having the baby threatens the mothers life she should be able to decide whether to save her own life. and sure, rape is a different case. but saying that once men lose their sperm they have absolutely no horse in the race for nine months is the height of inequality.

7/21/2009 8:20:00 PM

one person carrying the child while the other person doesn't isn't exactly symmetric either.

7/21/2009 8:23:07 PM

Of course not, but that doesn't mean that the other person should have no rights at all. From the standpoint of law, if we're going to allow abortions as a choice, then we must (or more accurately, should) allow the man to "abort". You can't say on the one hand that the whole process is a choice for one person and at the same time tell the other that if they don't want a kid they should have kept it in their pants. Conversely though, I can't see any justification for forcing a woman to carry a child to term (ignoring the debate over the livelihood or lack thereof of the fetus).

[Edited on July 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM. Reason : sadf]

7/21/2009 9:20:10 PM

I disagree. You can tell both sides to keep in in their pants.

Abortion is first and foremost a means to shirk the responsibility of raising a child that you dont want. Secondly its a way for women to avoid the real and significant inconveniences involved with carrying a child to term. Its pretty bullshit to say hey you have to have my kid that DNA is half mine. If we consider the child 50% property of the man, that 50% is renting space and resources from the mother's body.

Honestly, I think its equally as bullshit to say hey i could have an abortion but i dont want to so you have to pay for this kid.

Our system is designed arround the idea that women are not capable of surviving without the support of a man. This is why child support and alimony exist. As women become more self sufficient I would hope that they realize forcing a man to help raise a child he doesn't want is not good for anyone and that part of the mess goes away. But until then just watch out what you stick it in.

7/21/2009 9:42:58 PM

meanwhile, the FDA won't approve male birth control, even though the are several drugs that work for this.

7/21/2009 11:54:15 PM

Men should have the option to abort the responsibility if they want. As has already been said, a women has all the control in the situation. A guy may want an abortion, but if the woman doesn't he is stuck. Conversely, if the woman wants to abort and they guy doesn't it is beyond his control. If the guy wants an abortion and is willing to pay for it, then he should be waived of any further support requirements and also his parental rights. The current system is neither fair nor equal.

7/21/2009 11:57:17 PM