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MitsuMtnASU
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[Edited on June 23, 2013 at 10:23 PM. Reason : turn the page]

6/23/2013 10:23:16 PM

dtownral
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Just dive deeper, watch out for bigger fish

6/23/2013 10:25:59 PM

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http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/10/osprey-aircraft-deployed-for-first-time-in-support-of-marine-one/

8/11/2013 9:35:04 PM

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Bitches are loud as shit and the engines smoke before they start up. They got a bigger cabin than the platform I used to work on though.

8/12/2013 12:44:23 AM

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Quote :
"There are no plans yet to have the president fly in the MV-22s"


in other news, there are no plans to start using ford pintos to transport the president.

8/12/2013 10:39:16 AM

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8/12/2013 10:52:47 AM

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They are sending Ospreys to Iraq

8/14/2014 12:22:57 AM

justinh524
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i am surprised the police in ferguson don't have ospreys.

8/14/2014 9:24:50 AM

stategrad100
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^x7 lolz, that fish is like "aaaaaaaahhhhh nooooo"

8/14/2014 10:07:53 AM

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I love chicken nuggets

8/14/2014 2:54:05 PM

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5/18/2015 6:34:23 PM

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In fairness, I'm not sure an Osprey would be the right tool for transporting the POTUS, anyway. It beats the shit out of an LZ, doesn't do helo stuff any better than a helo, and he has a 747 for airplane stuff. What would they use an Osprey for?

5/18/2015 7:04:32 PM

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Just last week, I saw an Osprey twice. Once was when it was flying over I-395, coming from the north east/direction of the national mall.

Once was going over my office in Rockville, coming from the south. I often see Marine 1 fly that route, and I assumed it was a route going to camp David.

5/18/2015 7:07:35 PM

BlackDog
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Real test pilots fly jets, not pussy helicopters.

5/18/2015 7:11:02 PM

theDuke866
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^^ HMX-1 does a lot of stuff besides POTUS-duty. Could have been any number of things (and likely not Marine 1, as it's technically only that when the big boss is onboard).

5/18/2015 8:28:42 PM

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Yep, when I'm referring to it as Marine 1, there were 3 of them flying.

5/18/2015 8:37:41 PM

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^^^ That's not a jet though

5/18/2015 8:39:28 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/us/hawaii-marine-dead/

5/18/2015 8:44:30 PM

skokiaan
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Republicans want to see Obama in an Osprey

5/18/2015 9:58:13 PM

aaronburro
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EMCE tried to warn us. We just didn't listen

[Edited on May 19, 2015 at 7:23 PM. Reason : ]

5/19/2015 7:23:47 PM

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Blackdog..... That's a rocket just FYI.

5/19/2015 7:51:42 PM

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bttt

2/3/2017 9:43:28 PM

theDuke866
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The Osprey actually has a pretty good mishap rate.

2/3/2017 10:23:11 PM

justinh524
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Pretty good for a flying deathtrap maybe

2/4/2017 9:15:32 AM

theDuke866
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No, pretty good period, for what it is and how it's used.

[Edited on February 4, 2017 at 5:59 PM. Reason : of course it's going to be higher than a C-17 or whatever.]

2/4/2017 5:59:24 PM

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The Osprey is not a deathtrap.

Now the original British-designed single engine AV-8 Harrier with a huge intake that could suck up a rock from a hundred feet away? That was a deathtrap.

2/6/2017 3:28:30 PM

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Quote :
"The Osprey actually has a pretty good mishap rate"


Where's that data at?

[Edited on February 6, 2017 at 3:38 PM. Reason : ^ is the newer variant that much better?]

2/6/2017 3:36:06 PM

theDuke866
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^^ The AV-8A and original British Harrier might rightfully be called a deathtrap. I'm pretty sure the AV-8B (the is the only one the Marines have flown in the last few decades) is somewhat better, although I think they still have a very high mishap rate. Part of it is that it's a single-engine, unstable attack jet that's asked to V/STOL and hover and generally weird shit...and yes, they are a vacuum cleaner for FOD, which can easily cause a class-C mishap even if nothing happens beyond needing major engine repairs.

The other part of it is that they're single-piloted, do shitloads of bombing runs, low-altitude stuff, crew-intensive stuff like buddy-lasing, still train to an air-to-air capability while also maintaining proficiency at V/STOL and operating from large-deck amphibs.

They're legitimately a greater-than-average handful of an airplane, that's flown hard in demanding circumstances without a secondary crew member to back things up.

^ Check with the Naval Aviation Safety Center or whatever it's called. I recall seeing numbers like 1.xx mishaps per 100k flight hours, which is very good. I know the USMC claims the Osprey is their safest rotorcraft, although I don't know if that's since inception for all current airframes, or over a given time period. I would expect that it's also much lower than the rate for TACAIR (tactical jets).

I've heard the Osprey actually had a lower mishap rate even during its infamous development than other programs such as the Tomcat. However, several of the mishaps had terrible casualty rates--30 people would die in the crash instead of 1-2.


Also, nothing in the military inventory is anywhere close to a deathtrap compared to how dangerous things were just 20-30 years ago. The mishap rates are WAY down. They might even be reduced by an order of magnitude.

[Edited on February 6, 2017 at 7:04 PM. Reason : NASC]

2/6/2017 6:55:45 PM

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"Where's that data at?"



http://www.public.navy.mil/NAVSAFECEN/Documents/statistics/ADS.pdf

That doesn't break it down by VMGR specifically, but it gives MARAIRFOR numbers for HELO/TILTROTOR, or you can back up a page or two and look at all of the Class A mishaps for the year, and pick out the V-22s. (there's only 1)

You don't need a CAC card to access that data either.

2/6/2017 8:47:41 PM

Steven
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We had them come out to our ship and bring the Vice President, Chief of Naval Operations, and the Secretary of Defense in the South China Sea. Got to admit, that was pretty awesome seeing them land on a aircraft carrier.

I heard (though its probably just scuttlebutt) that they are supposed to replace the current COD planes (C-2s I believe) we use.

2/6/2017 8:57:20 PM

theDuke866
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I know that was the plan a few years ago. there were pros and cons to it.

2/6/2017 9:15:29 PM

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"However, several of the mishaps had terrible casualty rates--30 people would die in the crash instead of 1-2."

Only one high casualty count mishap:
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/10/us/19-marines-die-in-crash-of-trouble-plagued-craft.html
The spotlight one before that was this:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-07-22/news/1992204074_1_aircraft-crash-v-22, mostly because it killed a Major, Gunny, and Master Gunny in front of an audience.

and then another in 2000, at a time the program already had a bright spotlight on it
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/us/after-north-carolina-crash-marines-ground-osprey-program.html

I'm imagining the program stood a good chance of being killed had 9/11 not happened.

2/6/2017 9:27:15 PM

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"or you can back up a page or two and look at all of the Class A mishaps for the year, and pick out the V-22s. (there's only 1)"


Cool sample size of one [year]

Looks like 36-ish fatalities plus injuries since testing began, but good to hear it's not quite the deathtrap it once was.

2/6/2017 10:31:01 PM

Steven
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2/7/2017 3:54:36 AM

wizzkidd
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We had the same thing on TR in 2015, but it was just Secretary Carter.

Steven what did you do on Stennis?

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"I heard (though its probably just scuttlebutt) that they are supposed to replace the current COD planes (C-2s I believe) we use."

There used to be a whole thread about this. It's being considered for a few reasons: first the C-2A is old as dirt and has already exceeded its service life, second it can't cary an F-35 Engine, and the H-53 is also problematic. The V-22 isn't a great substitute because of its size and how it shuts down the flight deck, especially if it breaks without folding. Also, I don't think it fits in a NIMITZ hangar bay but that might be incorrect.

2/7/2017 8:29:26 AM

Flyin Ryan
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The V-22 was meant to replace the CH-46, which were literally being used in the Korean War (and were heavily used in Vietnam).

[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 9:17 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2017 9:15:48 AM

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Quote :
"The V-22 was meant to replace the CH-46, which were literally being used in the Korean War"


I thought it was introduced during Vietnam...


This is interesting: http://www.public.navy.mil/NAVSAFECEN/Documents/statistics/AviationClassAs.pdf

[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 10:20 AM. Reason : ^^^ awesome pics. have you posted similar ones anywhere here?]]

2/7/2017 10:14:45 AM

Flyin Ryan
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I walked on one in for repair at Cherry Point that had a commissioning date in the mid 1950s. My dad worked on them for years. (Think some of them caught the tail end of the conflict. It was a very effective troop carrier, why the Marines used then forever.)

[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2017 10:32:42 AM

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This is the only other image I could find. I have videos on my phone and some more pictures, but I am at work.

Quote :
"Steven what did you do on Stennis?"


I am currently a Nuclear Electronics Technician. Transitioning soon to the civilian life, not sure if I am sticking in the Nuclear field. The money is so hard to pass up.

2/11/2017 1:44:41 AM

wizzkidd
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Cool man, I was a shooter on TR just a few years ago... I'm pretty much in for the haul now, I've got 12 years in and maybe one shitty tour left. Have you always been surface Nuke, or do you have your dolphins too!?!?

2/11/2017 6:49:50 PM

Steven
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Surface only. If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would have gone subs.

[Edited on February 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ya]

2/18/2017 9:29:34 PM

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donald trump is making them wreck them

2/19/2017 8:27:56 AM

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https://share.newsbreak.com/1qu9pybh

9/9/2022 9:04:44 AM

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Is there any way to read this without downloading a goddamn app

9/9/2022 10:32:09 AM

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