I can't believe Cheney would ever admit this stuff. He is pure fucking evil. I can't imagine any other VP in history with as much hubris as this son of a bitch.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32398177/ns/politics-washington_post/

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""In the second term, he felt Bush was moving away from him," said a participant in the recent gathering, describing Cheney's reply. "He said Bush was shackled by the public reaction and the criticism he took. Bush was more malleable to that. The implication was that Bush had gone soft on him, or rather Bush had hardened against Cheney's advice. He'd showed an independence that Cheney didn't see coming. It was clear that Cheney's doctrine was cast-iron strength at all times — never apologize, never explain — and Bush moved toward the conciliatory.""

8/13/2009 4:41:06 PM

I always thought it would be interesting to replay the Bush presidency without Cheney as VP (and without Rumsfield too probably)

8/13/2009 4:45:13 PM

Don't forget Ashcroft. Actually... Bush's entire Cabinet seems like it was pretty much selected by Cheney. His Presidency would have been drastically different had the people around him been changed (which could be said about any President.)

Anyway, the article says Cheney's memoirs are going to be published in 2011. I'm very interested to see exactly how fucked up his worldview is.

8/13/2009 4:49:22 PM

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"Don't forget Ashcroft. Actually... Bush's entire Cabinet seems like it was pretty much selected by Cheney."

These people are basically comic-book villains.

8/13/2009 5:15:47 PM

what's fucked up is that Ashcroft wound up looking like a fairy godmother once history showed his actions juxtaposed against his successor, Alberto Gonzalez.

Cheney may wind up riding behind 200 years of precedent protecting the chief executive, but Gonzalez isn't above the law. Him and Rummy both really need to do some prison time.



EDIT: holy shit! look who's back! It's you!!!! ^







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8/13/2009 6:14:19 PM

We just need DirtyGreek and it'll be just like old times.

8/13/2009 6:33:18 PM

The Bush-Cheney administration:

January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009

They're gone, folks--you got your wish. Chairman Obama is the new leader--deal with it.

8/13/2009 6:47:17 PM

unfortunately we're still dealing with the fallout of the actions taken by that administration.

actions of dubious morality and questionable legality, in many cases.

8/13/2009 6:55:35 PM

it will be interesting to see how long those excuses are used.

and FWIW i'm not even close to saying everything the two did was correct and wonderful. my point is eventually, the current administration has to start taking some blame for the mess we're in.

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"actions of dubious morality and questionable legality, in many cases."

many could easily say the same about the current administration.

[Edited on August 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2009 6:59:51 PM

BUT WE SAVED EUROPE'S ASS IN WW2

8/13/2009 7:02:07 PM

^^ you're right, supporting torture and trying to provide healthcare for the uninsured are the same thing.

8/13/2009 7:39:34 PM

hooksaw logic: Who cares what Obama did yesterday? YOU'RE LIVIN' IN THE PAST, DOOOOOOD!!!

8/13/2009 7:52:14 PM

liberals last chance fail safe .. bring up something that has nothing to do with the present

8/13/2009 7:57:29 PM

^^^ WTF are you babbling about? Obama not only supports rendition, he has expanded it:

Target Of Obama-Era Rendition Alleges Torture

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/08/11-8

^^ The change of a presidential administration in a national election is hardly comparable to taking a whimsical look at "yesterday." God damn, you're an idiot.

[Edited on August 13, 2009 at 8:29 PM. Reason : ^]

8/13/2009 8:28:46 PM

^^ you mean like Obama being a nazi that's goign to send gov. death squads to your grandparents' homes?

^ Obama is doing it like Clinton and every other president until Bush did: behind closed doors, with his mouth shut

The bush admin was disturbingly brazen about it: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/12psychs.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

[Edited on August 13, 2009 at 9:27 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2009 9:21:15 PM

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"you're right, supporting torture and trying to provide healthcare for the uninsured are the same thing."

i didn't cite any particular issue.

8/13/2009 9:35:46 PM

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"Obama is doing it like Clinton and every other president until Bush did: behind closed doors, with his mouth shut"

soooooo much better

just like they're not being transparent at all but hey, at least they said they were going to be!!!!

8/13/2009 10:07:41 PM