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markgoal
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They don't fit in many fixtures.

10/15/2009 6:04:58 PM

Optimum
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People are afraid of change.

10/15/2009 6:57:40 PM

HaLo
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They produce shitty light.

They are inefficient for short duration use

Most of all I'd just like the freedom to make my own choices.

Back OT

good job Franken for getting the anti-rape clause amendment passed.

10/16/2009 12:07:04 AM

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^Shitty light?

You're using the wrong kind or something... I've never seen them be more dim than incandescent nor have I ever heard the complaint from any source. And most actually give off a white glow as opposed to the more eye-straining yellow-tinted incandescents.

As for the inefficiency claim, I'm pretty sure there was a mythbusters episode that addressed just that issue (and did so fairly well, relative to some of their "experiments") -- you're correct if your definition of "short duration use" is a matter of a few seconds.


I don't support legislation forcing people to convert to them, but they really are better in virtually every way than incandescent bulbs.

10/16/2009 12:22:48 AM

HaLo
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While it's from wikipedia I do believe it's still accurate.

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"The lifetime of any lamp depends on many factors including operating voltage, manufacturing defects, exposure to voltage spikes, mechanical shock, frequency of cycling on and off, lamp orientation and ambient operating temperature, among other factors. The life of a CFL is significantly shorter if it is only turned on for a few minutes at a time: In the case of a 5-minute on/off cycle the lifespan of a CFL can be up to 85% shorter, reducing its lifespan to "close to that of incandescent light bulbs".[11] The US Energy Star program suggests that fluorescent lamps be left on when leaving a room for less than 15 minutes to mitigate this problem."


why should I be forced to buy cfls for bathroom lights that will only be on for a couple minutes max.

Also, I'm glad thtlat you like the harsh white light from cfls but I do not. I also don't like the warm up period and I'm willing to pay more per hour for that pleasure.

Again it just seems like something the free market is better capable of solving without govt intervention. If they are truly the better option then society will adopt it.

[Edited on October 16, 2009 at 12:32 AM. Reason : Damn iPhone]

10/16/2009 12:32:03 AM

jwb9984
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n/m

[Edited on October 16, 2009 at 2:05 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2009 2:05:02 AM

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Warm up period? Shitty light? Harsh light?

It's like you guys don't even use CFLs. I currently have ONE cfl that has anything close to resembling a warm-up period. Maybe you mean that half-second difference between flipping the light switch and full brightness? Unless you're jogging into a room I doubt that half second is going to kill you.

Plus, since I use daylight bulbs the light coming out of them is better and brighter than any incandescents I was using. It's also better for seasonal affective disorder.

Honestly, the only bulbs in my home that give me problems are the damned fluorescent tubes that are in the kitchen. Now THOSE are annoying. I want to take them out and put 3 CFLs up there on a track, I'd get better light and wouldn't have to deal with the real warm-up period that it has (a full THREE SECONDS!!!!).

10/16/2009 7:49:12 AM

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"Again it just seems like something the free market is better capable of solving without govt intervention. If they are truly the better option then society will adopt it."

10/16/2009 11:04:02 AM

timswar
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The free market is cluttered up with so many lies about the various products and their costs/benefit that there's no way a free market could ever actually work in the way you ultimately think it would.

10/16/2009 11:09:44 AM

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Lies?? Come on man. The free market works great in other aspects of our economy consumables durable goods electronics. Why can't we let it work in this area as well. Why is the only solution to make incandescents outlawed?

10/16/2009 11:35:17 AM

HaLo
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[Edited on October 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM. Reason : Double post]

10/16/2009 11:41:59 AM

timswar
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Other aspects = All aspects?

10/16/2009 11:43:31 AM

HaLo
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No and I'm not arguing that it does work in all aspects (primary exception is safety related issues, airbags, seatbelts etc. )

please feel free to pose an argument for why we need a government mandate to switch to cfls

10/16/2009 11:47:33 AM

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Because people are too stupid to make the switch themselves, despite all of the evidence in favor.

10/16/2009 1:42:23 PM

God
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^

Also add "stubborn" and distrusting of "big science."

10/16/2009 1:47:57 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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"I've only heard/seen good things about Bachmann so could you give me some instances please?"


Here's a video from the Young Turks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKekH5mj_eU

She begins at the 1:06 mark. Granted, she's reading a letter, but...

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"I would sit in class thinking about what courses and classes I could miss, so I could make my school clinic visit for more pills and condoms before the end of the school day."


Had me rolling.

10/16/2009 3:41:44 PM

Supplanter
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I didn't feel people had easy enough access to this video, so I wanted to make it so they didn't have to go to youtube or anything.

10/16/2009 6:04:11 PM

timswar
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/21/al-franken-grills-hudson/

This is a few days old now. Al Franken grilled Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Diana Furchtgott-Roth about health care and bankruptcies.

10/22/2009 8:14:07 AM

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I'm cloudy as to what really makes a Republican or a Democrat anymore (much like most of you, though reluctant to admit it). But I'm pretty far right on some things, and pretty far left on some things.

And I can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Rush Limbaugh is

Big

Fat

and an idiot.

To be fair (also a trait not displayed prevalently in these threads), Keith Obermann is, too. Minus the fat part.

10/24/2009 5:30:12 PM

timswar
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30589.html

Franken's gettin scrappy

12/14/2009 7:44:40 PM

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http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/franken-cuts-lieberman-off-wont-let-him-finish-floor-speech.php (imbed plz?)

Although a simple dragon kick to Lieberman's throat would've been a lot cooler.



Oh, and he managed to insert the rape amendment into the defense bill. This guy is my hero.

[Edited on December 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM. Reason : ]

12/17/2009 7:37:18 PM

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December 18th, 2009
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"McCAIN: I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent."


October 10th, 2002
[quote]During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bush’s constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator’s time has expired.

Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.

Mr. McCAIN. I object.[quote]

12/19/2009 12:08:56 AM

jwb9984
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john mccain has lost it. i think that's pretty clear.

12/19/2009 10:01:42 AM

timswar
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McCain's like what 107 years old now? You can't expect him to remember every little hypocrisy can you?

12/21/2009 8:48:21 AM

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12/21/2009 9:14:27 AM

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McCain has decided to block a low-level appointment to the NLRB, ostensibly so that his committee could ask him questions. The appointee has answered around 200 written questions.

This occurred in the committee:

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"Franken: This is an unusual hearing. I’m new the Senate, but it’s unique. Only other board hearing was for a chair. This wasat the insistence of one member who held your nomination. Did that member submit any questions to you?

Becker: No.

Franken: Really. He, or she (ed: McCain) didn’t submit any questions over all those months. Huh."



Franken is putting these jokers to shame.

2/9/2010 9:43:24 AM

timswar
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32561.html

He's also been spotting chewing out David Axelrod, a man who desperately needs to be set straight.

2/9/2010 1:04:58 PM

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He's like the dog whisperer

2/9/2010 11:57:53 PM

LunaK
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4/6/2010 5:52:56 PM

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^ that is perhaps the worst reporting i've ever witnessed.

4/6/2010 6:02:14 PM

LunaK
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and senator franken handled it beautifully.

4/6/2010 6:05:08 PM

ScubaSteve
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what a surprise he is trying to sell at book at the beginning of the clip.. he seemed on the same level as the paparazzi.

4/6/2010 6:08:36 PM

jwb9984
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god, that fucker needed a good cock-punching. holy jesus. i can't believe franken kept his cool so well.

senator smally? are you serious, guy?

4/6/2010 7:16:45 PM

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Jason Mattera reminds me of some of the conservative personalities encountered here in TSB. He's constantly a douchebag that gets coddled by Faux News and tries to shout down any opposition and lay claim to folks our age as "his generation".

4/6/2010 8:37:02 PM

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Quote :
"Under a bill written by Senator Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, veterans with P.T.S.D. will get service dogs as part of a pilot program run by the Department of Veterans Affairs. Training a psychiatric service dog and pairing it with a client costs more than $20,000. The government already helps provide dogs to soldiers who lost their sight or were severely wounded in combat, but had never considered placing dogs for emotional damage. "


the rest of the article is really heart-warming . . . http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/us/04dogs.html

4/6/2010 10:02:06 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/05/breastfeeding.costs/index.html

Study: Lack of breastfeeding costs lives, billions of dollars


....

BREAST MILK POLICE RAWR RAWR RAWR

4/6/2010 10:40:44 PM

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15-25% of all soldiers returning from Iraq are diagnosed with PTSD. That could potentially be a LOT of dogs and a LOT of money.

4/7/2010 7:38:47 AM

HaLo
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^its an indirect cost of waging war. also not everybody with PTSD will get a dog, and I bet a one time 20K cost is a lot cheaper than outpatient treatment

4/7/2010 12:40:31 PM

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^^^^nice!

4/7/2010 12:44:46 PM

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https://www.npr.org/2019/07/25/745232345/journalist-jane-mayer-on-the-many-mysteries-in-the-accusations-against-al-franke

7/27/2019 1:00:47 AM

rwoody
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https://jezebel.com/the-new-yorker-seriously-mischaracterized-the-story-of-1836673266/

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/7/22/20703617/al-franken-jane-mayer-resignation

Thread
https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/1153302991828504576?s=19

7/27/2019 2:35:37 AM

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You have to read like 20 paragraphs of she-said-she-said in to that jezebel article to finally get to this paragraph:

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"The woman’s story is ultimately a small part of the New Yorker’s piece, but considering that it contains inaccurate, reductive and misleading information, it also feels concerning. It raises questions about what else might be glossed over, mischaracterized, or misleading."


I don’t understand why the author hasn’t considered that the woman told different outlets slightly different stories. I don’t even mean that she had bad intent, just that human memories and memory narration can be pretty bad sometimes.

The argument that him resigning was the right thing to do is ok though.

7/27/2019 9:50:11 AM

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losynapseLoser ... he went back 9 years to sweat jwb9984's nuts

7/28/2019 9:31:49 PM

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