http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/03/

1st off: The Guardian has a reputation as a platform for liberal and left-wing opinions. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian )

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"But Siddall is still confident that volunteer slavery will be the future economic model. "I have no doubt that slavery will return as the world's energy resources get increasingly scarce." This proved a little "off-message" for the BBC. "

Human labor has historically been the safest protector of the environment. Everything else has huge negative consequences no matter what.

Arguments? No I don't own any cotton fields. ...........yet

[Edited on December 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM. Reason : e]

12/4/2009 1:31:42 PM

Im not sure I understand the concept of "Volunteer Slavery"

also, I got an error message when I clicked on your link.

12/4/2009 1:57:12 PM

How would 'volunteer slavery' be different then indentured servitude?

12/4/2009 2:26:08 PM

volunteer slavery is for masochists.

12/4/2009 4:40:33 PM

wow. i knew i should have copied the wholet thing. ah well. google cache time. brb


[Edited on December 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM. Reason : -]

12/4/2009 5:24:08 PM

easy money

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/03/cycling-energy-slavery

12/4/2009 5:24:32 PM

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"Human labor has historically been the safest protector of the environment. Everything else has huge negative consequences no matter what."

Then you have never traveled. The third world makes very little use of non-human labor, and as a result has a devastated environment (Air and water pollution in the machine free India is far worse than the machine rich European countries with a similar population density).

That said, economists have studied slavery and found it to be almost as productive as free labor markets, decidedly NOT more productive. Therefore, a society built upon slavery would be just as destructive of its environment as one that was not. However, that assumes you were born into slavery, as a threat upon free men to become slaves would disrupt the propensity to save and produce, diverting effort away from sustainable production and into the political system in an effort to avoid slavery.

12/4/2009 6:49:33 PM

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"European countries with a similar population density"

lol

12/4/2009 7:15:17 PM

Green Energy is the new slavery.

12/4/2009 7:19:32 PM

Soylent Green energy is people.

12/4/2009 7:44:05 PM

Quote :

"Then you have never traveled. The third world makes very little use of non-human labor, and as a result has a devastated environment (Air and water pollution in the machine free India is far worse than the machine rich European countries with a similar population density). That said, economists have studied slavery and found it to be almost as productive as free labor markets, decidedly NOT more productive. Therefore, a society built upon slavery would be just as destructive of its environment as one that was not. However, that assumes you were born into slavery, as a threat upon free men to become slaves would disrupt the propensity to save and produce, diverting effort away from sustainable production and into the political system in an effort to avoid slavery."

what the hell are you talking about? we're talking about saving the environment you asshole. even at the risk of human happiness. what the hell do you think they brought up slavery for??? stay on topic.

12/4/2009 9:10:16 PM

keep fuckin' that chicken.

12/4/2009 9:11:11 PM

i just want to hear the european countries with population density similar to india. vatican city?

12/4/2009 9:33:22 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

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"i just want to hear the european countries with population density similar to india. vatican city?"

There you go, I did the work for you. The Low Countries vs India. I'll take the Low Countries.

12/4/2009 11:22:12 PM

^^

All of India isn't like Calcutta and Mumbai you stupid cunt.

12/5/2009 1:02:04 AM

loneshark has won this thread decidedly

12/5/2009 1:23:10 AM