Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Looks like it might be unveiled sometime in January.
http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/24/jobs-extremely-happy-with-tablet/ 12/25/2009 2:30:02 PM |
qntmfred retired 40722 Posts user info edit post |
i'm not gonna lie. i am looking forward to seeing this thing 12/25/2009 2:52:52 PM |
bcvaugha All American 2587 Posts user info edit post |
in thinking about this product I could see myself getting rid of my iphone in favor or one of those mobile hotspots and the itablet 12/25/2009 2:53:50 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
^why would you get rid of your phone? lol.
I've never been a fan of tablets so I'm curious to see what apple does. Previous tablet PC's had poor designs...the whole swivel screen was not pretty at all.
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agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
well you can be sure that there will be no swivel and no hardware keyboard. It almost certainly won't be meant as a general purpose computer, but more of a "media tablet"
Also, i don't see anythign like this making it into a product this soon, but nonetheless, it could be really cool http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/24/possible_apple_tablet_multi_touch_tactile_keyboard_detailed.html 12/25/2009 3:07:49 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
^thats what I"m hoping to see that they drop the whole swivel screen concept. 12/25/2009 4:13:45 PM |
robster All American 3545 Posts user info edit post |
islate ... really? 12/25/2009 4:57:40 PM |
slut All American 8357 Posts user info edit post |
I haven't seen a swivel tablet in a long time. All our field tablets are screen only. 12/26/2009 12:29:14 AM |
qntmfred retired 40722 Posts user info edit post |
i don't like iSlate either 12/26/2009 11:33:05 AM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
one guy wished the islate was a clear tablet like in avatar and i seriously questioned whether people would want everyone to see what they're looking at lol 12/26/2009 1:11:35 PM |
Nitrocloud Arranging the blocks 3072 Posts user info edit post |
You can't have a clear tablet that would be worth a damn. You could take your LCD screen out of the mountings if you would wish, but remember that it's only a polarizing filter.
Problems with clear screen: -No control of background -Most screens are either light generating (OLED) or light filtering (LCD) and lead to two anomalies in a clear-screen device.
1. LCD screens turn "clear" for white, so if you're staring at the floor, you'll instead see the floor. 2. LED screens wouldn't have contrast as light would bleed through, but I think the substrate only allows moderate bleed through anyway.
iSlate sounds like a horrible name. Can't call it the iTablet either. Why not call it the iCarpalTunnel? Realistically, the only iName I can think of would be the iNspire. 12/26/2009 2:29:31 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Here are top tablet pcs form last year http://gadgetophilia.com/top-10-tablet-pcs-of-2009/
Apple is going to dominate this market 12/26/2009 4:39:11 PM |
Nitrocloud Arranging the blocks 3072 Posts user info edit post |
I'd say that's doubtful. People like real keyboards, but I can see it getting a good following. Software will most likely be restricted in operation. 12/26/2009 5:29:38 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'd say that's doubtful. People like real keyboards, but I can see it getting a good following. Software will most likely be restricted in operation." |
Yeah that iPhone is such a piece of garbage, no one likes that trash, right? 12/26/2009 7:25:13 PM |
Nitrocloud Arranging the blocks 3072 Posts user info edit post |
Different design for a different usage.
I think there would be troubles with trying to type on a flat tablet and then having to pick it up again to view where you just interacted with it. Laptop displays and current tablet PCs operate under the convention that screen viewing needs to be high enough to not strain the neck and the keyboard low enough to not strain the arms.
When you read a book at the table, do you keep it flat on the table or do you prop it up in your hands? When you write on paper, do you lay it low and flat, or place it on a plane normal to your viewing axis? 12/26/2009 7:53:07 PM |
1337 b4k4 All American 10033 Posts user info edit post |
Honestly the success of any Apple tablet computer is ultimately going to ride on whether they try to pass it off as a real computer (like a MacBook Air), or an extension of your main computer (like an iPhone or Apple TV). If they try to pass it off as a real computer, they are going to need to have really perfected the Inkwell tech they've been sitting on for a while, or perhaps the speech recognition tech. If they try to pass it off as an extension of your main computer, it will come down to the sync software and they'll say that the input on a virtual keyboard is "good enough" since it's not a primary computing device. Since Apple generally isn't one for "good enough" I'm betting if you see a tablet, you're going to see a new input method too. 12/26/2009 8:04:20 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
^^ you're assuming that Apple is making a clone of current tablets, which is not a valid assumption really, especially considering we know NOTHING about this device.
Apple clearly knows what people like and what they don't like. It's possible they're going to release garbage that no one likes, but this is the outside scenario.
We don't know what Apple is going to release, and it's really foolish to try and bash it based on what it might/might not have. 12/26/2009 8:09:16 PM |
Nitrocloud Arranging the blocks 3072 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, I'm assuming that Apple's recent patents are for technologies they have developed and their application on a screen device as shown in a tablet form.
Price and application will determines the device's success, but if it has a screen simulated keyboard and is meant for more than just "note taking" and mobile connectivity applications, I'm not sure how well it would fulfill a gap between a traditional tablet and an iPhone.
Due to the suspected date for the unveiling, I'm going on the assumption that things listed aren't completely wrong. This device has been in development for years, and the leak about developers only needing to change their programs to accept an arbitrary screen size must imply something about the device's application ability or suggested usage. 12/27/2009 12:26:58 AM |
pooljobs All American 3481 Posts user info edit post |
its an entirely different product, i would be very surprised if i would be able to replace my x61t with a tablet for the stuff i need to do. they will dominate over the current media tablet type devices, but you'll never see a technician in the field with a apple table.12/27/2009 9:07:39 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
1. just like you'll never see an employee in a non-apple store with an apple point of sale device, right? 2. Who cares about the technician market?? It's a low volume, low-profit market. Apple will do as they always have -- skip the existing whiney nerd market and create a newer, larger, richer market of general consumers by selling them a device that easily let's them do things they didn't know they needed to do 12/27/2009 12:17:21 PM |
pooljobs All American 3481 Posts user info edit post |
you're arguing against a point i didn't make
i'm saying that its retarded to compare the apple tablet to most of the tablets in that list because they are entirely different products for entirely different tasks 12/27/2009 12:57:54 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
I'll bet they'll make the tablet like the iPhone, and make it not do tons of shit that every other tablet already does and has done for years, but they'll still market the hell out of it.
Quote : | "Apple clearly knows what people like and what they don't like." |
Which is marketing and hype]12/27/2009 7:06:22 PM |
1337 b4k4 All American 10033 Posts user info edit post |
^ The trick is, Apple tends to do it in a way that doesn't remind people of chewing on glass while gargling lemon juice on a bed of nails. 12/27/2009 7:53:04 PM |
Scuba Steve All American 6931 Posts user info edit post |
? 12/27/2009 7:58:32 PM |
theitalian All American 1134 Posts user info edit post |
What's going to be awesome:
Bringing it to your desk and snapping it into a "monitor-like" frame. Connected to the wireless keyboard and mouse already at your desk via bluetooth? = Most excellent "desktop" ever. 12/27/2009 8:13:19 PM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, maybe if you plan on lugging around a 17"+ version of it. 12/27/2009 9:02:26 PM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^ The trick is, Apple tends to do it in a way that doesn't remind people of chewing on glass while gargling lemon juice on a bed of nails." |
Hardly.12/27/2009 9:03:26 PM |
Nitrocloud Arranging the blocks 3072 Posts user info edit post |
As far as docking goes, laptops have alwyas had the possibility to quickly dock and undock at a station, but I don't think that configuration is ever often used. Docking also removes the "good" angle in whick to interface with the screen in a touch fashion. I'm interested in the intended usage of the Apple tablet. 12/27/2009 11:42:58 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""Apple clearly knows what people like and what they don't like."
Which is marketing and hype " |
That's probably mostly true now, but the iPod didn't come to dominate the market by just marketing and hype. And iPhone didn't dominate initially by marketing and hype. The products were legitimately leaps and bounds better than anything else on the market at the time.12/28/2009 12:02:23 AM |
Madman All American 3412 Posts user info edit post |
iphone users make me roll my eyes. they remind me of kids who found themselves "fashionable" because they wore abercrombie and fitch clothes in highschool.
so apple has permeated our society by dominating the mp3 (iPod) and phone (iPhone) market--both devices no larger than something we can easily fit into our pockets-- and now apple thinks it will go big when it has NEVER dominated anything other than small devices ever before? apple laptops and desktops have always--and continue to be--a niche market. 12/28/2009 12:26:24 AM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
desktops - yes laptops - not so much a niche market these days. look around. 12/28/2009 1:27:15 AM |
Madman All American 3412 Posts user info edit post |
I guess it depends where you look
coffeeshops-yes, a lot of apples business conferences--6.8% of the heads 12/28/2009 2:04:57 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
^ and guess which is the largest market? most profitable market? 12/28/2009 2:18:49 AM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
the iPhone doesn't dominate the mobile market. It leads the market for the smartphone category. That's a bit different than its strangehold on the pmp market.
Quote : | "desktops - yes laptops - not so much a niche market these days. look around." |
Apple's market share is about the same for desktops and laptops. Yes laptops are more popular, and yes there are more Apple laptops. The same is true for every other manufacturer too, which keeps the shares about the same. Apple is growing well domestically.12/28/2009 4:28:05 AM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
apple makes great hardware. so this should score well in that category.
just worried about the OS on this thing and the software. 12/28/2009 11:23:35 AM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " so apple has permeated our society by dominating the mp3 (iPod) and phone (iPhone) market--both devices no larger than something we can easily fit into our pockets-- and now apple thinks it will go big when it has NEVER dominated anything other than small devices ever before? apple laptops and desktops have always--and continue to be--a niche market. " |
actually apple has over 90% market share in new sales for computers over $1000 since last year and growing. They don't really sell any under $1000 except the mac mini. Do some research next time.12/28/2009 11:55:27 AM |
se7entythree YOSHIYOSHI 17377 Posts user info edit post |
i'm sure they'll move a lot of them at first, but i just don't really see myself ever wanting one. i have a netbook, an iphone, and a desktop and i just don't see where a tablet would fit in. 12/28/2009 12:02:24 PM |
Madman All American 3412 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "90% market share in new sales for computers over $1000" |
why the fuck does that matter? what percentage of computers are for sale for over $1000 these days?
edit: was your point that apple has dominated hoity-toity expensive laptops? cause that's not a niche market...
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Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
The point is apple today isn't what apple used to be. But the hate will never change. 12/28/2009 12:17:47 PM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Apple is going to dominate this market" |
Their only real compitition is from the Samsung and Fujitsu on he link above, and from the Archos 9.
Of those nobody uses the Fujitsu, the Samsung is too small, and the Archos is the usual underpowered POS we've come to expect from that company.
Their only real competition is from obscure (to Americans) companies on China and Korea. With a market like that then any decent product with good marketing could dominate.12/28/2009 1:25:33 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "90% market share in new sales for computers over $1000" |
Not surprising at all. There's also a ~70% attach rate of Windows to Apple computers. If you have 1000+ dollars to spend on a PC laptop, there's nothing better than an Apple notebook most of the time 12/28/2009 3:29:21 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " There's also a ~70% attach rate of Windows to Apple computers. " |
umm… where are you getting this from?12/28/2009 3:48:07 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
fixed it for you.
Quote : | ""90% market share in new sales for computers laptops over $1000"" |
12/28/2009 4:17:11 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
^^ 12/28/2009 4:18:47 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
^^no, actually you didn't fix it. Seriously, google isn't that hard to use. 12/28/2009 6:11:31 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
^Yep, it is for COMPUTERS over a 1000 bucks. At least from NPD's numbers. Keep in mind this is Computers sold at US Retail.
Which doesn't include direct-sales, business, academic or government. Which means it doesn't include the majority of Dell, HP or Lenovo's sales.
So take the number with a grain of salt. 12/28/2009 6:18:58 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
^true but is that really apples demographic? I would say in their demographic they do just fine. OS aside, Apple computers are really nice pieces of hardware. Slap windows 7 on there and you've got yourself an awesome PC If Windows PC is what you're looking for.
When you say academic are you talking students or units bought for academic facilities? As far as student use I'd say they are doing well.
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pooljobs All American 3481 Posts user info edit post |
to be fair someone already said they were doing fine in their market, you posted that statistic to try to pwn them and show how they were doing well across the board but noen laid the smackdown. so yes, they do just fine in their demographic. 12/28/2009 7:47:49 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The products were legitimately leaps and bounds better than anything else on the market at the time." |
you can say that, and it still doesn't make it true. For the most part, every other MP3 player out there has had more features than an iPod at the time, and for almost half the price. it was always just marketing and hype.12/28/2009 7:55:03 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
except until you actually own both of them and realize the other one is a poorly built piece of shit that could have 10x the features and still be damn near useless 12/28/2009 8:02:00 PM |