If we are to go to 4 conferences then it makes sense for the four to be, PAC 10, Big10, SEC and ACC

North - Big 10
East - ACC
West - PAC 10
South - SEC

Big 12 is geographically in a tweener area. Its like mid west. If Texas would jump to the SEC then this would all be over.

12/4/2012 9:37:11 PM

Yea, I wish the Big 12 would fall apart. I thought they were there a year or so ago. But alas, they've held on thus far.

12/4/2012 9:48:32 PM

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"Nice that you're being a jerk after I clearly stated (twice now) that what I said before was merely rumors. Also, if I had a direct access to a reliable source, do you think I'd be hooking you up with that information on TWW? That'd be a quick way to lose access to said inside information."

you posted a rumor and said it wasn't even worth repeating and i pointed out that perpetuating conference apocalypse rumors that you can't/won't substantiate is a dumb thing. nobody on here has inside information, but posting that FSU to the big XII rumors are "heating up" without saying where you heard it is gonna result in sarcastic responses and fake posts.

12/4/2012 10:03:28 PM

If the Pac 10 had just taken Texas et al dueing the last round the Big XII would be dead and we wouldn't be having this problem.

12/4/2012 10:10:34 PM

100% agree with you Forte. Also, go fuck yourself Rat Soup.

12/4/2012 10:33:20 PM

whatever

[Edited on December 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2012 10:38:03 PM

If things has played to their natural progression, we'd be looking at:

ACC

NC State
UNC
Duke
Wake
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
UVA
VT
MD
Pitt
UConn
Rutgers
BC
Syracuse

B1G

OSU
Mich
MSU
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
PSU
NW
Minnesota
Nebraska
Kansas
Louisville
Cincinatti/Iowa State
Notre Dame

Pac 16

Arizona
ASU
Cal
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
WSU
Stanford
Utah
Colorado
Texas
T Tech
Oklahoma
Okie St

SEC

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Miss
Miss St
SCar
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky
LSU
Arkansas
aTm
Missouri
Kansas State
Iowa State/WVU

Bam, there you go. Baylor, and either Iowa State or West Virginia get left out as far as current "power conference" teams go, and you could always have a B1G 18 out of pity/respect, and everything jives geographically (except the Pac 16, which was never going to anyhow after the Pac 12). But now, with shit like ND in the ACC, MD and Rutgers in the B1G, who the fuck knows what's gonna happen. But it isn't good for the ACC anymore, that's for sure. The remaining "core" ACC teams are ripe for poaching to the B1G, Big XII, and SEC, which would leave the ACC as the New Big Least (which it's basically half and half now that MD defected). If that buyout doesn't hold, anyone with half a brain (that qualifies FSU) will bail, and that will be that.

12/5/2012 8:06:47 AM

Yep, I wish things had shaken out the way you listed there. But I fear you're right and things are headed towards the ACC losing relevance after a few key members defect. A lot hinges on how much Maryland (if any) can negotiate down the exit fee from $50M. If they somehow manage to get it under $30M, I think you'll see the flood gates open. Makes me sad on a lot of fronts if that happens.

12/5/2012 8:42:17 AM

Quote :

"you posted a rumor and said it wasn't even worth repeating and i pointed out that perpetuating conference apocalypse rumors that you can't/won't substantiate is a dumb thing. nobody on here has inside information, but posting that FSU to the big XII rumors are "heating up" without saying where you heard it is gonna result in sarcastic responses and fake posts."

ESPN Austin reporting this as well

12/5/2012 8:46:29 AM

NOT FOUND: http://espn.go.com/austin/

12/5/2012 8:50:24 AM

Found? http://www.espnaustin.com/

[Edited on December 5, 2012 at 8:52 AM. Reason : Found?]

12/5/2012 8:52:13 AM

oh, its some crappy ESPN affiliated radio station, even worse


BREAKING NEWS: TWO GUYS NAMED CHRIS REPORTING HAWAII TO BIG EAST

12/5/2012 8:55:55 AM

Not saying it substantiates the rumor at all, just that there actually is an ESPN Austin, its just a radio station. However, maybe there is something there since Texas (in Austin) runs the show in the Big 12.

12/5/2012 9:00:48 AM

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"However, maybe there is something there since Texas (in Austin) runs the show in the Big 12."

12/5/2012 9:17:59 AM

why would texas want another mouth to feed? how would florida state offer enough value to the big xii where it would increase the already huge pot of money that's going to be passed around among 10 teams?

12/5/2012 10:23:24 AM

I demand more 2 Guys Named Chris insider information

12/5/2012 10:28:53 AM

We're going to the Biggie East

12/5/2012 10:32:07 AM

My guess is the rationale behind expansion in the Big 12 is two fold:

1) As the B1G and SEC move towards 16 teams, it puts pressure on the PAC 12 to do the same. The PAC 12's main conference to attempt to draw from is the Big XII. So by getting in front of expanding before the PAC12 attempts to take any big teams away from them, they're trying to stave off potential future loses.

2) Conference championship games in football command a lot of TV dollars. Would it be enough to make up for having to split conference money with more teams? I'm not sure it does, but at least it would help recoup some of that.

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For what it's worth, the rumors on the internets today is that FSU + 3 unnamed ACC schools (my complete shot in the dark guess on teams is Clemson, Miami, and GT) are shopping themselves around to the B1G, SEC, and Big XII. All rumor and conjecture at this point, so who knows. There is a new rumor every day of some big conference realignment happening.

I'm still pretty conflicted on this whole realignment thing. Was having smaller conferences really that bad? I'd gladly take the ACC 15-20 years ago than all this super conference nonsense. That being said, I don't want to be left out of all the "major" conferences, so let's hope we end up somewhere worthwhile after this stuff shakes out.

12/5/2012 10:42:04 AM

How do you not go completely insane by believing every rumor posted on the internet?

12/5/2012 10:45:03 AM

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"I demand more 2 Guys Named Chris insider information"

Well I didn't want to give away more info than I should, but as a P1 I just got done talking to Biggie and he heard from his inside source at Popalops that Nevada and NC STATE are moving to the Pac 12 in order to form the Power Pac

12/5/2012 10:49:39 AM

^^I don't believe every rumor. I didn't say I believed in this one, I just said it was the rumor of the day. I do, however, put some credibility in folks that have "rumored" things before and actually were right.

I definitely believe that FSU is actively trying to find somewhere to go. I definitely believe that if they leave, other teams will follow. Also, reading other people's thoughts and postulations on what might happen is pretty fun. I can understand that for others that might not be that fun.

I also like to read NFL draft projections a year early from people that aren't experts, but maybe that's just me.

12/5/2012 10:53:11 AM

^ put me in that camp

It's entertainment to see what the realignment rumor of the day ends up being, and I also believe that FSU is actively seeking another conference so they can be taken seriously again.

12/5/2012 10:57:59 AM

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"The PAC 12's main conference to attempt to draw from is the Big XII"

the big xii retains the media rights to any team that leaves. the pac 12 isn't going to poach a big xii team if they can't make any money off them.

Quote :

"Conference championship games in football command a lot of TV dollars"

not enough for the big xii to think it's worth having

[Edited on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2012 11:08:06 AM

For the ACC's sake, I hope that you're right, Rat Soup.

12/5/2012 11:13:44 AM

rutgers is suing the big east over the exit fee. i'm so surprised.

12/5/2012 12:14:47 PM

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"not enough for the big xii to think it's worth having"

There would be conference semifinal and final games creating a de facto sweet 16 and elite 8 round of the "football tournament". There's also the money made from the bidding war when the networks come in on the playoff.

Also, if a major network like FOX wanted to create a Big XII channel then you would have more territory with which you could charge a monthly fee in your cable subscription to get access. The same reason that the SEC money will go through the roof in 2014.

12/5/2012 12:37:14 PM

they just announced a 13 year, $2.6 billion deal with fox/espn 3 months ago. i mean, i know speaking in absolutes with respect to this stuff isn't always a wise thing to do, but who the hell is gonna try and start a big xii channel before that contract runs out? between that and the money the big xii is getting from the sugar bowl starting in 2014, it makes no sense RIGHT NOW to expand by so many teams in the short term to make this

Quote :

"There would be conference semifinal and final games creating a de facto sweet 16 and elite 8 round of the "football tournament". There's also the money made from the bidding war when the networks come in on the playoff"

a worthwhile idea. part of the reason why the SEC's money is going to go through the roof is because the SEC channel is based on inventory just like the big 10 channel is. the more teams they add, the more they all make money. the pie and the slices get bigger. the same is not true for the big xii.

i cannot understand how there would be some grand scheme being concocted by the conference and all the schools in it to expand given the fact that they're currently sitting on a gold mine with what they announced in september.

12/5/2012 12:56:24 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21353826/big-easts-non-football-members-meet-discuss-possible-breakaway

Smart move for the bball-only Big East teams to go ahead and take control of their own destiny. A Georgetown, Villanova, George Mason, VCU, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Dayton, and Butler league would be stronger than whatever is going to be left of the Big East in basketball.

12/11/2012 11:16:24 AM

Just toss them all in the A-10

12/11/2012 5:35:43 PM

Quote :

"The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league"

Lol at ECU, can't believe we lost to them

12/11/2012 5:54:47 PM

Quote :

"Smart move for the bball-only Big East teams to go ahead and take control of their own destiny"

for as strong as the A-10 is right now, they only make $350-730k per school per year. The schools coming in might add to the overall contract, but will make little difference in the per school take because nobody gives a shit about small school basketball until march

so yeah, it's a smart move is schools like georgetown and st johns want to cut 35-60% of their tv haul out of their budget

12/11/2012 7:05:00 PM

ignore the numerous typos

12/12/2012 12:05:03 AM

today on the david glenn show the guy who knows all about conference alignment stated big 10 would take g tech and uva then SEC would take UNC and DUKE, and I can guarantee you if that happens we are going to be some pissed off mo fos.

12/12/2012 3:46:36 AM

Quote :

"so yeah, it's a smart move is schools like georgetown and st johns want to cut 35-60% of their tv haul out of their budget"

Because they'd be getting more for games against SMU and Tulane.

They might as well control their own league (not the A-10, the article said nothing about that, you didn't read it).

12/12/2012 8:12:26 PM

There is no damn way the sec would take unc and duke. Its either unc/vt or nc state/vt. They dont need two schools in nc. And the big 10 only takes contiguous states, so no GT

12/12/2012 8:31:00 PM

UNC doesn't go without duke, but SEC might be willing to take the duke baggage for walmart nation.

12/12/2012 9:28:29 PM

Quote :

"Because they'd be getting more for games against SMU and Tulane."

if you don't think the Big East as it stands would pull more money than a 21 team A-10, you're high off your ass

12/12/2012 9:48:24 PM

It's happening... today.

UConn is officially a mid-major in basketball now.

12/13/2012 11:12:30 AM

Ahahahaha

12/13/2012 11:14:43 AM

So the Big East dissolving vote is this week?

Officemate is convinced that if the Big East dissolves then Cincinnati would have no choice but to go to Conference USA

12/13/2012 11:46:45 AM

If the Big East is dissolved, the ACC better not take in any additional schools out of pity

12/13/2012 12:53:44 PM

Hopefully BC goes with the catholic schools.

12/13/2012 1:11:16 PM

that would be hilarious if ECU finally got into a BCS conference, only for it to dissolve a couple weeks later

12/13/2012 1:31:23 PM

That would make my week

12/13/2012 1:47:03 PM

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"The seven Catholic basketball members of the Big East Conference have decided to announce their departure from the league, according to two people with knowledge of the discussions. The two spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because the talks were supposed to remain confidential. An announcement that Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence, Georgetown and DePaul plan to break away is not likely to happen until the schools decide how they want to proceed. "

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2012/12/13/big-east-conference-basketball-split-catholic-member-schools/1767387/

12/13/2012 6:02:23 PM

FYI, the big east isn't dissolving, just those basketball only teams are leaving. 2 football playing teams would have to vote for dissolution for that to take place.

12/13/2012 7:30:15 PM

^^thats actually kind of interesting, they should get two good A-10 basketball schools and form a 9 team basketball conf with round robin schedule; they could still be pretty good, poor uconn and cincy are sooo fucked though

12/13/2012 9:50:45 PM

^^ that's not what i read. i read there are only 10 schools that can vote on membership issues - outgoing members and incoming members can't vote and Temple only votes on football-only issues. 7/10 is more than the 2/3 necessary for the Catholic schools to dissolve the conference and take the NCAA tourney autobid with them.

[Edited on December 13, 2012 at 10:06 PM. Reason : e]

12/13/2012 10:06:18 PM

Quote :

"^^ that's not what i read. i read there are only 10 schools that can vote on membership issues - outgoing members and incoming members can't vote and Temple only votes on football-only issues. 7/10 is more than the 2/3 necessary for the Catholic schools to dissolve the conference and take the NCAA tourney autobid with them."

I completely agree.

12/13/2012 10:07:17 PM

is there any legal wording regarding them getting to take the tournament bid w/ them or are you assuming that's what the ncaa will do?

i have no doubt that it is, just curious.

12/13/2012 10:39:28 PM