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"Daryl Fleck was drunk and asleep in his car in the parking lot of his Crookston apartment building when someone called police. Officers who responded that night in 2007 saw his car keys on the console between the front seats, but found no evidence that Fleck, who was parked in his assigned spot, had recently driven. The appeals court said that Fleck's keys were "readily available to him," and there was no evidence he was in the car to do something other than drive. That he may not have intended to drive is "immaterial," the eight-page decision said."

http://www.startribune.com/local/41754752.html

I'm against drunk driving as much as the next guy, but I think this is kind of screwed up.

6/3/2010 9:21:05 AM

wow i've heard you can get one if your engine is on, but not like this

what if you live in your car? you can't drink in your "home?"

6/3/2010 9:21:43 AM

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"I'm against drunk driving as much as the next guy, but I think this is kind of screwed up."

6/3/2010 9:23:10 AM

that is bullshit

6/3/2010 9:23:55 AM

sucks to be him - will a dui make it to the supreme court?

6/3/2010 9:24:17 AM

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"that is bullshit"

6/3/2010 9:24:35 AM

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"I'm against drunk driving as much as the next guy, but I think this is kind of screwed up."

Yeah...if that's the case then people are gonna have to start sleeping in the streets if they need a place to sleep and they can't drive home.

Would they have said the same to the guy if he was in the backseat?

6/3/2010 9:25:25 AM

yet you can drink all you want in the living quarters of your RV

6/3/2010 9:29:22 AM

Fuck the police.

6/3/2010 9:31:05 AM

RV's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars

6/3/2010 9:32:09 AM

I always thought you could get a DWI if the keys were in the ignition, regardless of whether the engine's on or not.

6/3/2010 9:48:21 AM

One of my friends got a DWI after getting his car stuck in a ditch. Cop saw him stumbling down the side of the road, and he was too drunk to argue out of getting a dwi. Keys were not even in the ignition.


^yeah thats def the rule

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.


[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM. Reason : read that shit niggaz]

6/3/2010 9:50:07 AM

completely how the law reads.

i took a highway patrol sponsored/taught safe driving class, and the teacher actually told us if we needed to sleep one off in our cars, to leave the keys under the car on the ground or tossed a few feet away where you'd find them in the morning.

wild.

6/3/2010 9:50:37 AM

fuck the god damn police

6/3/2010 9:50:52 AM

true- we tried passing out in the back of someone's suv once, and it was cold out, so he put the keys in to turn on the heat


cop came by and tried to act like he was doing us a favor by not giving the driver a DUI for it (he was in the back seat, and I was in the trunk area)... we couldn't get a cab (they stopped running) so what the hell did he want us to do?

6/3/2010 9:51:25 AM

i didnt read the article, did they state what WOULD be allowed as far as where your keys go?

i mean, he may have just passed out while trying to put the keys in the ignition too. but if they were IN the console in the middle then he'd be safe like he wasn't trying to drive?

i dunno, just sayin

6/3/2010 9:52:06 AM

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"I always thought you could get a DWI if the keys were in the ignition, regardless of whether the engine's on or not."

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"fuck the god damn police"

6/3/2010 9:52:29 AM

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"cop came by and tried to act like he was doing us a favor by not giving the driver a DUI for it (he was in the back seat, and I was in the trunk area)... we couldn't get a cab (they stopped running) so what the hell did he want us to do? "

you should have bartered for one of those tinfoil heat blankets they carry in their trunks.

6/3/2010 9:53:08 AM

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" i mean, he may have just passed out while trying to put the keys in the ignition too. but if they were IN the console in the middle then he'd be safe like he wasn't trying to drive?"

that's conjecture and up to interpretation.

laws work better when they're very explicit, ie, in or out of the car.

6/3/2010 9:53:28 AM

fuck the police etc but seriously fuck our law makers

6/3/2010 9:54:05 AM

Excuse me sir, if you want to sleep in your car, you should put your keys outside. Don't worry, nobody will steal them.

6/3/2010 9:54:16 AM

fuck the police etc but seriously fuck our law makers

6/3/2010 9:54:39 AM

i throw the keys in the passenger floorboard and then get in the back seat when i need to sleep off a good drunk

do you think i'm safe from the fucking pigs?

6/3/2010 9:54:50 AM

^^
^^^^
And apparently the courts, too.

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM. Reason : ]

6/3/2010 9:54:53 AM

What kind of dick calls the police cause a dude is sleeping in his car?

6/3/2010 9:55:10 AM

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"The appeals court said that Fleck's keys were "readily available to him," and there was no evidence he was in the car to do something other than drive."

Uhhh, there was evidence that he was in his god damn car to sleep, namely that he was found that way... This is total bullshit

6/3/2010 9:55:50 AM

^^
Solinari?

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 9:56 AM. Reason : y'all need to chill with all the posting]

6/3/2010 9:55:56 AM

^^^ That's what I want to know.

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"I always thought you could get a DWI if the keys were in the ignition, regardless of whether the engine's on or not."

His keys weren't in the ignition.

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 9:57 AM. Reason : f]

6/3/2010 9:57:16 AM

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"NEEDN'T BE DRIVING"

i don't use needn't enough

6/3/2010 9:57:25 AM

Another example of confusing/asinine laws in action:


I was driving home (Charlotte) from school (for winter break) and had a big hunting knife in one of my bags for a trip I had gone on right before I came home. The back seats had been folded down, and the bag was in the trunk, but a cop who had pulled me tried to say I had access to it and charged me with concealed weapon (even though it was in a bag in the trunk area) - WHAT AM I, STRETCH ARMSTRONG???

6/3/2010 9:57:55 AM

btw that article is from Minnesota, so not sure how the laws are different in NC or other states

6/3/2010 10:01:28 AM

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"WHAT AM I, STRETCH ARMSTRONG???"

lollllllll

gotta love our gang in blue, janitors with guns and a chip on their shoulder

in before our resident fascist ball suckers rush in to defend cops at all costs

6/3/2010 10:02:03 AM

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"His keys weren't in the ignition."

I know, I was just saying.

6/3/2010 10:06:07 AM

YOU SEE IT'S OKAY THAT HE GOT A DUI BECAUSE YOU BREAK THE LAW YOU PAY THE BUDHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DERPA DERPA DERPA DERPA

6/3/2010 10:07:48 AM

^i dont think anybody in this thread has implied that at all

6/3/2010 10:08:18 AM

I know I'm just getting ready for it because we all know it's coming

6/3/2010 10:09:38 AM

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"Howsabout you just stop breaking the fucking law? That works just as well, if not better."

6/3/2010 10:09:46 AM

This is okay because police officers who fall asleep in cars get DWIs all the time.

6/3/2010 10:14:06 AM

i thought this was common knowledge.

6/3/2010 10:20:01 AM

and the downward spiral of our system of law begins.

6/3/2010 10:22:35 AM

^^ you didn't read the entire story in the OP

6/3/2010 10:23:05 AM

begins?


people say the same thing, no matter what forum it is every time an article like this is written

and yet

no one that says that ever does shit about it.

6/3/2010 10:23:41 AM

and fuck the bitch who called the cops

6/3/2010 10:23:47 AM

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"no one that says that ever does shit about it."

i'm down for a violent revolution

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM. Reason : need to thin the herd anyway]

6/3/2010 10:26:23 AM

^^^^ yes, i did. i was well aware that if you're in a car and have the ability to start driving it and you are drunk that you can get a dui. i thought everyone knew this.

what part of my statement made you think i hadn't read it? there's nothing in that article that is not summarized in the thread title.^

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM. Reason : ^]

6/3/2010 10:26:37 AM

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"i'm down for a violent revolution"

How about a nonviolent one? People from all persuasions need to get together and decide that liberty is important.

6/3/2010 10:27:27 AM

that's cool too, but i just don't think it'll work

nobody does anything nowadays until somebody dies

6/3/2010 10:28:14 AM

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"i thought everyone knew this"

i, too, thought everyone knew the DWI laws in MINNESOTA

6/3/2010 10:28:47 AM

don't know if that's necessarily true

it just means that people from both the right and the left need to realize that there's a set of things that require sensible governance that everybody can agree on

6/3/2010 10:29:01 AM

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"everybody can agree on"

never gonna happen with the bible thumpers

6/3/2010 10:30:45 AM