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kiljadn
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So a few years back, I worked in sales. For argument's sake, we'll say widget sales.

I worked at a widget wholesale company for a year as a manager, during which time I came to clash with both of the owners due to their poor business practices and overall poor demeanor, and decided to pursue a career in another industry entirely.

While I worked at this widget wholesaler, I made many contacts in the widget industry, as one would be wont to do in any sales position. Some are still in this industry, while others are not.


Today I met someone who is looking into going into retail widget sales. He broached this idea to me and due to my familiarity with the widget sales industry, he bounced his loose business plan off of me, and I see it as being very sound.

He is looking to talk to someone in the industry, and one of my best contacts is an employee at the company I used to work for. I know that this person will take care of the guy I met today, and help to guide him along a successful path. Also, I know that he will personally benefit from this sort of sale.

However, I also have contacts at a rival widget wholesale company who are well known not only locally, but nationally, for having the best widgets around.

I really have nothing to gain from the success of this venture, either. My contacts are all strong enough that the guy would start off on strong footing and be enabled to succeed whichever way I point him.

My question to you, TWW:


Do I call up my former coworker, and let bygones be bygones with my former employer to allow my former coworker to make a sale, or do I introduce this guy to the rival widget company and let spite and bad blood reign supreme?




TL;DR:

Send this guy to my old coworker who is cool at a company that I hate, or send him to my old company's #1 competitor

6/14/2010 5:57:12 PM

DeltaBeta
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Competitor.

6/14/2010 5:58:38 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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send him to the competitor if the guy will do fine either way

6/14/2010 5:59:29 PM

jataylor
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are you still in contact with this old coworker?

6/14/2010 6:27:34 PM

qntmfred
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former coworker, with a disclaimer if you feel whatever issues caused you to depart the company could hurt this guy in the end

6/14/2010 6:27:57 PM

egyeyes
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Send him to the better company, which sounds like it's the competitor in this case.

6/14/2010 6:30:50 PM

BubbleBobble
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I whistled for a cab

6/14/2010 6:32:34 PM

djeternal
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I realize this thread is about selling widgets....which I do not. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

6/14/2010 6:35:43 PM

kiljadn
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^Awesome.

Quote :
"are you still in contact with this old coworker?"


No, but he actually left the company while I was there and then ended up re-joining it after I left.



[Edited on June 14, 2010 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2010 6:45:51 PM

djeternal
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sorry dude, it was too easy

6/14/2010 6:46:28 PM

ncsuapex
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Rival

6/14/2010 6:50:15 PM

ThePeter
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Quote :
"former coworker, with a disclaimer if you feel whatever issues caused you to depart the company could hurt this guy in the end"

6/14/2010 6:54:04 PM

Fareako
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Refer him to whichever company the guy with the product would be most successful with.

6/14/2010 6:59:31 PM

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