http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-7-2010/wish-you-weren-t-here

This is a beautiful piece on the opposition to Muslim-Americans being able to construct Mosques by the right wing and Conservative media. Both hypocrisy and bigotry (not to mention paranoia) are exposed in this clip if you watch the entire thing. To all those in the Tea Party crowd I would add it is important to remember the precious constitution you claim to be so worried about includes freedom of religion.

7/8/2010 5:56:56 PM

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"John"

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 6:04 PM. Reason : seriously though, that segment ruled]

7/8/2010 6:02:11 PM

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"John Stewart exposes right wing hypocrisy "

Most useless thread title ever.

7/8/2010 6:11:44 PM

While thank you for the clip, I thought right wingers being hypocrites was an understood fact.

Somebody can't say that they support the Constitution to the T and then turn around and deny people the same rights they enjoy because they simply don't agree with it, without being a hypocrite.

7/8/2010 6:15:32 PM

meh. the segment was pretty weak.

the NASA portion was boring and the Reagan juxtaposition was just wrong headed.

the last part on religious intolerance was pretty good, but uh he kinda undercut the point that it is a right-wing problem by showing the clip from ABC being just as bad as Fox. Of course, that clip lasted less than 30 second so I guess no one noticed.

I remember the old days when when Jon Stewart would have made the entire segment about how the media as a whole (and not just Fox News) was gradually dumbing down the country and scaring the citizenry for rating. *sigh* Oh well. The show has been intellectually dead for years now.

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ``]

7/8/2010 6:31:15 PM

^ About 80% of the show is showing a bunch of similar Fox News clips back to back to make it seem like they're flooding the airwaves with it. I'm no defender of Fox News, but the Daily Show has been using them as fodder ever since Bush left office.

What really grinds my gears is that Jon Stewart shows stuff like this as some sort of serious exposé, but whenever someone questions his journalism he says "But it's a fake news show!"

7/8/2010 6:42:16 PM

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"meh. the segment was pretty weak. "

agreed, i think there is legitimate reasons to oppose swift expansion of islam in the usa since its so closely tied to terrorism and anti american rhetoric

7/8/2010 6:52:28 PM

John Oliver is better at the comedy news imo

7/8/2010 6:53:40 PM

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" i think there is legitimate reasons to oppose swift expansion of islam in the usa since its so closely tied to terrorism and anti american rhetoric"

No. Just no. That is stupid.

7/8/2010 7:14:56 PM

TCB > TDS

7/8/2010 7:17:35 PM

any religious expansion should be opposed.

7/8/2010 7:18:10 PM

^ I don't oppose religious expansion as long as it stays out of the government. Since many laws are based on the premise of Christianity with no other justification than "Most of us are Christians, so we're going to force our idiotic beliefs on you," I really feel that Christianity can just fuck off.

7/8/2010 7:23:07 PM

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"any religious expansion should be opposed. "

True, but it's idiotic and hypocritical for the right to complain about mosques being built. Perhaps they don't understand what free speech and religious freedom actually mean.

7/8/2010 7:26:52 PM

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"any religious expansion should be opposed."

just not by the government

pesky first amendment

7/8/2010 8:08:01 PM

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"What really grinds my gears is that Jon Stewart shows stuff like this as some sort of serious exposé, but whenever someone questions his journalism he says "But it's a fake news show!""

7/8/2010 8:16:51 PM

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"True, but it's idiotic and hypocritical for the right to complain about mosques being built. Perhaps they don't understand what free speech and religious freedom actually mean."

The First Amendment doesn't protect anyone from being complained about.

7/8/2010 11:15:26 PM

absolutely

while the first amendment protects offensive speech, our society is well within its bounds to frown upon offensive expressions

7/8/2010 11:17:42 PM

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""What really grinds my gears is that Jon Stewart shows stuff like this as some sort of serious exposé"

lol - serious exposé? really? he's simply calling people out on their bullshit rhetoric. there's no exposé to be had when it's blatantly in front of you 24/7

7/9/2010 12:05:59 AM

Let's be realistic, his show is on comedy central. Everyone knows the show is satirical, it has always been that way, regardless of the host. He walks a fine line, Journalism and Comedy intertwined, but that doesn't mean his show is real news or that you can hold him to that standard. He can have some of the most revealing and compelling critiques of the media, without being held responsible for their fairness. It's a sweet deal. If there is anyone to blame, it's the American people, who have chosen him as their number one most trusted news person.

7/9/2010 8:34:48 AM

I dont think anyone could consider Stewart's show "journalism" in say a Bob Woodward sense. But I think it certainly falls into the vein of political commentary shows like Bill O'Reilly and Countdown with Keith Olbermann. As such, they should be held to some fact checking and intellectual rigor.

It is frustrating when Stewart (or his fans) whines "its a comedy show" anytime someone disputes something they've aired.

If you want to engage the public with political commentaries, fine. Do it. But don't use the "comedy show" line as an excuse when you get called out.

7/9/2010 11:29:19 AM

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"he's simply calling people out on their bullshit rhetoric. there's no exposé to be had when it's blatantly in front of you 24/7"

24/7? TDS edits together various clips of various people saying similar things or using the same phrase (often out of context) in order to misrepresent the media and make it appear that they're all in agreement and trying to push the same opinion. It's disingenuous at best.

7/9/2010 12:43:40 PM

Again, it is a comedy show that does engage the public with political commentaries, but it is not Bill O'Reilly or Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Would we be having this conversation if Craig Kilborn was still the host? No, because he's not as sharp as Stewart, and the American public doesn't love him.

7/9/2010 3:43:08 PM

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"it is not Bill O'Reilly or Countdown with Keith Olbermann"

No, O'Reilly and Olbermann don't land interviews with the likes of Joe Biden, Tony Blair, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Pervez Musharraf, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Madeleine Albright, John Ashcroft, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Bob Dole, John Edwards, Ali Allawi, etc.

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"Would we be having this conversation if Craig Kilborn was still the host?"

No, because Kilborn is a comedian, not a pretend journalist with no credentials or qualifications.

7/9/2010 4:08:33 PM

Stimwalt I dont see how you can say it is not like those two shows. I mean, you can say the writing is better, but fundamentally its the same concept. A guy bloviateing his opinion across the air waves, pushing the political agenda he favors, and occasionally giving friendly interviews to politicans/authors/etc he likes (or alternatively hostile interviews to people he doesn't like).

We wouldn't be having this conversation about Craig Kilborn because he didn't have the same ambitions of Jon Stewart. He wasn't trying to push a political agenda. It was a straight up comedy show. He was making stale jokes about stained blue dresses and randomly breaking into "Dance, Dance, Dance" secessions.

Personally, I still love Jon Stewart. 7 years years ago I watched religiously, because he was taking shots no one else had the balls to (including his viewers. One commercial was back in 2002 or 2003 during the run up to the Iraq war and everyone was wearing a fucking american flag pin and putting them on their cars and everywhere, they added american flags all over the set, and said they were there to "pander to your new found sense of patriotism". loved that.)

Back then he directly mocked a popular party in power and called out Republicans on the half-truths and lies the American ppl let them get away with. Now? He takes pot shots and an unpopular party that isn't in power. "Republicans are stupid" jokes are easy now. Everyone makes them. So it just feels old.

Personally, I would like to see Jon Stewart and his crew grow a dick between them and take on the Democrats more often than they do. I mean, they obviously have qualms with the administration, but they certainly don't pursue them with same vigor they did under Bush.

This is what happens when you are more concerned about being good Democrat than making a good point (or writing a good joke).

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[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ``]

7/9/2010 5:08:46 PM

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"the NASA portion was boring and the Reagan juxtaposition was just wrong headed."

I don't see how.

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"but uh he kinda undercut the point that it is a right-wing problem by showing the clip from ABC being just as bad as Fox."

No, you're the one that keeps insisting he has an anti-right agenda when it's clear he has an anti-retardedness agenda. The fact that they didn't leave out the ABC clip is mere evidence of that.

It's fundamentally harder to get outraged at Dem politics like borrowing money to extend unemployment versus GOP politics like keeping religions out of your town.

7/9/2010 5:36:31 PM

"mere evidence" of that? hehe

Anyways, the point of the segment was specifically that right-wing conservatives were being intolerant of Muslims. Just because Stewart added an ABC spot for the last 20 second or so doesn't change that fact.

Clearly, if Stewart wanted to do a piece on how the Media as a whole was festering religious intolerance he could. But, he didn't. So there it is.

Also, the Reagan juxtaposition was wrong headed because it was taken out of historical context. This came from Reagan's address to the nation in 1985 before participating in arms talks with the Soviets at Geneva and it was aimed at addressing the Soviet's fears of the Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars). The line was meant to signal to the soviets that they could/would work together on the "space shield" because the Soviets were worried that Regan was pursuing SDI without them in order to give America a first-strike advantage in a nuclear war.
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1985/111485d.htm

By contrast, Bolden's comments were just mushy PR boilerplate that meant nothing and deserve to be mocked (though conservatives are taking it a bit too far).

PS* If the world was fair, Stewart would be taken to task for this kind of willful misinterpretation of history. The same way he would do to any Republican he disliked. Of course, the world isn't fair, and everyone knows what Stewart's response will be. "Yuk Yuk its a comedy show!! Who would ever mistake this for political commentary!?!? Yuk Yuk".

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ``]

7/9/2010 6:08:12 PM

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"It's fundamentally harder to get outraged at Dem politics like borrowing money to extend unemployment versus GOP politics like keeping religions out of your town"

PPS* If this is how you see the world, that explains a lot.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ``]

7/9/2010 6:22:51 PM

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"Clearly, if Stewart wanted to do a piece on how the Media as a whole was festering religious intolerance he could"

But how would he have done that? The thing is, more than half of those clips weren't just FNC chickenheads pushing their agenda. It was a pastor, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, an IPT guy, John Kasich. These aren't (exception Palin) FNC anchors so this isn't some media driven thing. These are actual viewpoints by those in the conservative camp, the fact that you somehow think it's the media driving this shows you don't pay attention to the world around you or don't talk to many people outside of our demographic.

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"This came from Reagan's address to the nation in 1985 before participating in arms talks with the Soviets at Geneva and it was aimed at addressing the Soviet's fears of the Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars). The line was meant to signal to the soviets that they could/would work together on the "space shield" because the Soviets were worried that Regan was pursuing SDI without them in order to give America a first-strike advantage in a nuclear war. "

The point is a Republican said we'd work with our formerly demonized arch-rival. Doesn't matter what it was we said we would work on.

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"By contrast, Bolden's comments were just mushy PR boilerplate that meant nothing and deserve to be mocked (though conservatives are taking it a bit too far). "

I agree, it's a bit of "wtf" having NASA be a PR firm but it isn't like this is generally a bad thing.

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"If this is how you see the world, that explains a lot."

About as much as any non sequitur, huh?

7/9/2010 7:09:58 PM

Olivia Munn?

That's random

7/9/2010 7:21:25 PM

Jon Stewart's political/comedy hypocrisy exposed right here ITT

7/9/2010 7:22:25 PM

Stewart isn't doing anything different than Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. other than actually being funny. They all take shit out of context at best and lie at worst. "It's a comedy show" is just a convenient repeatable excuse, but it's no more asinine than anything the others would come up with.

7/9/2010 8:11:30 PM

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"The point is a Republican said we'd work with our formerly demonized arch-rival. Doesn't matter what it was we said we would work on."

Um, maybe you should re-watch the clip. The only thing Stewart quoted was people saying that NASA's goals don't include reaching out to the Muslim world ("its the space place!"). They are right. And nothing in the Reagan clip refutes their point. Reagan was not using NASA as a bridge for peace or even saying one of NASA's goals should be cooperation with the Soviets (btw SDI was a DOD initiative, NASA isn't actually the only "space place").

Like I said, the clip is irrelevant. You've just been tricked by Stewart's sleight of hand.

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"he thing is, more than half of those clips weren't just FNC chickenheads pushing their agenda. It was a pastor, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, an IPT guy, John Kasich. These aren't (exception Palin) FNC anchors so this isn't some media driven thing. These are actual viewpoints by those in the conservative camp, the fact that you somehow think it's the media driving this shows you don't pay attention to the world around you or don't talk to many people outside of our demographic."

And now you should re-read my posts. I never said that the theme of the segment was media driven. In fact, I described it this way. "Anyways, the point of the segment was specifically that right-wing conservatives were being intolerant of Muslims."

I said he *could* have done a less partisan piece on how fear mongering against muslims was a general media problem (which it is), but he didn't. Instead, he took his time to remind us that he still dislikes Republicans. In other words, he wasted a piece on pushing his political agenda. An agenda that essentially coincides with keeping the ruling party in office. So much for "speaking truth to power."

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 9:41 PM. Reason : ``]

7/9/2010 9:32:47 PM

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"fear mongering against muslims was a general media problem"

Funny, I would say fear mongering against the media is a general Muslim problem.

"Muhammad cartoonist attacked during lecture"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37089242/

"Pakistan Bans More Web Sites on Religious Grounds"

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/199975/pakistan_bans_more_web_sites_on_religious_grounds.html

"Threat against ‘South Park’ creators highlights dilemma for media companies"

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/23/entertainment/la-et-south-park-20100423

7/10/2010 9:43:40 AM

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"Jon Stewart interviews Eric Cantor http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-12-2010/eric-cantor http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-12-2010/exclusive---eric-cantor-extended-interview-pt--1 http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-12-2010/exclusive---eric-cantor-extended-interview-pt--2"

10/14/2010 1:07:20 AM

[Edited on October 14, 2010 at 1:09 AM. Reason : lol thanks]

10/14/2010 1:09:21 AM

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"I said he *could* have done a less partisan piece on how fear mongering against muslims was a general media problem (which it is), but he didn't."

Why would he do that? Why, when presented with a wealth of easily mockable semi-retarded comments, would he take the comedically difficult high road? For that matter, he'd basically have to pervert the truth to take another tack, since it is mostly conservatives who are leading the anti-Mosque charge. (And when Obama didn't unequivocally say he was in favor of the project, Stewart called him out)

Potty Mouth almost hit the nail on the head. Clearly it isn't harder to get outraged at Dem politics -- millions of tea partiers prove that. But it is harder to get joke material about the government borrowing money to extend unemployment.

Jokes about Republicans (or at least, those bowing to the Tea Partiers) are easy, but TDS continues to be the best at them.

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"Personally, I would like to see Jon Stewart and his crew grow a dick between them and take on the Democrats more often than they do."

Oh yeah, I'd love this as well. But mostly I want the show to be funny, and if stretching to make jokes about the dull minutiae of liberal policies reduces the funny then they can keep going on making fun of my side.

10/14/2010 2:04:06 AM

^^^ so fucking awesome

10/14/2010 12:54:41 PM

10/14/2010 1:13:16 PM

so you're opposed to two people with differing views speaking to each other like adults?

10/14/2010 6:22:15 PM

10/14/2010 10:37:44 PM

Remember when Jon Stewart promised to make fun of democrats?

10/14/2010 11:20:39 PM

if the tea party wasn't full of such ignorant fucks

and if sarah palin's mother had an abortion

he probably could do more of it

as it stands, the right is still producing the fuckiest of the fucktards out there

unless you can refudiate my stance and know of any wiccan anti-masturbatory dems out there

[Edited on October 14, 2010 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2010 11:26:12 PM

^ Well, we do have a few population zero communists on the left. They exist, it is just that only the right wing media shows them any attention. If we as a species were wise, such fucktards would never be paid any attention by anyone, right or left. But right-wing fucktards are the darlings of the liberal media, and left-wing fucktards are the darlings of the right-wing media, such that both sides are convinced the other side is nothing but crazy.

10/15/2010 12:30:50 AM

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"Remember when Jon Stewart promised to make fun of democrats?"

he does

every week

10/15/2010 3:10:48 AM

in fact he made fun of one of them at the end of the interview posted on this very page

10/15/2010 11:30:13 AM

Yeah, but he makes fun of them in a good way. Aww, those lovable democrats. Up to their old hijinks again!

Jon Stewart is more powerful than Martin Luther King was.

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ...and not just because he's a jew. Probably slept with about as many hookers, though.]

10/15/2010 1:40:52 PM

Making fun of someone by saying they won't break away from their partisan rhetoric during an interview is hardly a "good way" of making fun.

Also I flipped TDS on sometime during the week and he was exposing some smear commercial the democrats used against a republican where they took something he said completely out of context. Basically he said the exact opposite of what they put in the commercial. I then saw that later on a couple other shows. As far as I can tell Stewart was the first major source to point it out.

10/15/2010 1:46:22 PM

He's a mouthpiece of the democratic party.

10/15/2010 1:52:30 PM

There have been numerous occasions where I've considered posting clips of Jon criticizing Democrats; however, he does it so frequently, I figured it would have been a needless action.

It's obvious who doesn't watch The Daily Show.

10/15/2010 2:24:14 PM

I thought one of the best bits he ever did was a rant about democrats a few months ago. He basically just yelled into the camera for five minutes about how incompetent they were, and how they rolled over and took it when Bush was president but now they can't get anything that they want done even with the presidency and a congressional majority.

I will grant that he does tend to mock democrats mostly for being unable to do things that he obviously supports, whereas he mocks the right mostly for what IT supports. But to claim that he doesn't lash the left is absurd.

10/15/2010 2:33:22 PM