speculation is this could involve Michael Jordan and Hakeem Nicks

9/14/2011 10:17:30 PM

^ or possibly DT Jordan Nix. took too long to edit

9/14/2011 11:13:47 PM

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"I like it when UNC does dumb stuff, and I want to nail them on every single thing possible. But this issue, as bad as looks, isn't all that. He told them he was an agent when they hired him, he was perfectly qualified for the position, so much so that he actually had it in the past before becoming an agent. The university steered athletes away from his class section to avoid any troubles. It was a bad idea, given their current situation, but it simply isn't a big deal."

Yes...but just because football players aren't in your class doesn't mean you can't be around them all the time. The story is that this teacher/agent basically followed Quinn around the whole summer and was his gopher. Someone had to have known about it and did nothing about it.

9/14/2011 11:18:21 PM

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"The story is that this teacher/agent basically followed Quinn around the whole summer and was his gopher."

mind if I ask for some sources on that? especially considering that he denies having done any of that.

9/14/2011 11:21:22 PM

Because everyone at UNC admits their mistakes...

9/14/2011 11:32:43 PM

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"mind if I ask for some sources on that? especially considering that he denies having done any of that."

I'm not digging that shit up in one of the 8 million UNC threads on Packpride. But it was way back when Quinn was preparing for the draft...so long before the agent/teacher shit even came out.

Of course he denies it...if he admitted it, he would get suspended from being an agent by the NFL.

9/15/2011 12:27:37 AM

so... why would an agent get suspended for "following around" a player he had already signed? and you are treating rumours on PackPride as unabashed fact? Kind of like the rumor that Marvin's mom set up a fake charity?

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : ]

9/15/2011 12:37:50 PM

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"so... why would an agent get suspended for "following around" a player he had already signed? and you are treating rumours on PackPride as unabashed fact? Kind of like the rumor that Marvin's mom set up a fake charity?"

He was teaching the class before Quinn signed. Research it yourself...you should have enough free time to do that.

9/15/2011 1:30:40 PM

do you have a source for that erroneous claim, as well? because the Charlotte observer seems to suggest that Quinn had signed with Carey well before the first summer session. and you accuse me of needing to do some research

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/15/2609228/ncaa-returns-to-unc-for-probe.html

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"By the beginning of this year, Carey had added 2011 NFL draft picks Robert Quinn, Quan Sturdivant and Bruce Carter to the list of former UNC players he represents. But Sturdivant soon switched to another agent, and Carey later sued Quinn after Quinn dropped him for another agency. "

moreover, that goes against what the N&O article I referenced earlier says as well:

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"At the time Carey taught the UNC class, he said Quinn's girlfriend and business manager was questioning Carey's ability to represent Quinn. Quinn and his girlfriend were living in Chapel Hill during the time Carey was teaching the class."

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/08/27/1439646/sports-agent-taught-class-at-unc.html#ixzz1Y2vnYmf2

That sure seems to suggest that Quinn was still signed with Carey while Carey was teaching the class, especially when we go down two sentences:

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"On July 22, Quinn sent a fax saying he had dropped Carey, who in turn sued Quinn, the business manager and two agents who Carey thinks were trying to pry Quinn loose. "

and then we have this reference which suggests that Carey was signed with Quinn in at least March
http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2011/07/27/robert-quinns-former-agent-seeks-300000-temporary-injunction/

so, where is your "researched source" that shows Carey wasn't signed with Quinn when the first summer session started? for reference, summer session I started on May 10th and finished on June 14th.
http://registrar.unc.edu/ccm/groups/public/@registrar/documents/content/ccm1_042529.pdf


aaaaaand, I've now found the court documents involved. Page 3
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/87091171/Carey-Jr-v-Robert-Quinn
Is December 14, 2010 before or after the first summer session at UNC?





so, I will again ask you:

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"so... why would an agent get suspended for "following around" a player he had already signed?"

and then, just for shits and giggled, let's go at these two statements you made:

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"The story is that this teacher/agent basically followed Quinn around the whole summer and was his gopher."

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"I'm not digging that shit up in one of the 8 million UNC threads on Packpride. But it was way back when Quinn was preparing for the draft...so long before the agent/teacher shit even came out."

You realize the Draft occurred on April 28, 2011, right? Is that before or after May 15th, 2011? So, how did Carey "follow Quinn around the whole summer he was teaching" but do it "before the draft"? Does summer come before or after April?

9/15/2011 2:19:56 PM

Do mutiple quotations belong in ST?

9/15/2011 2:38:41 PM

This isn't Sports Talk, it's Sports Argue.

9/15/2011 2:50:43 PM

well Sports Agree would be a quiet forum

9/15/2011 2:59:55 PM

didn't even have to look at who made that quotebomb post to know who it was

9/15/2011 3:00:26 PM

someone is being a real aaronburro

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/15/2011 3:03:36 PM

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"well Sports Agree would be a quiet forum Inside Carolina"

9/15/2011 3:28:35 PM

The agent lives in fucking Durham. You think he's only been hanging around campus during this summer teaching session?? I knew when Quinn got signed and when the draft was. I initially thought that Carey taught LAST summer. Regardless, the rumors about him and Quinn have been around for over a year.

And notice that I said, "story"'. I didn't document the shit. What exactly are you arguing about? No wonder your job offer got rescinded...nobody in their right mind would want to work with your retarded ass.

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/15/2011 3:29:01 PM

so this school got out of all their punishments right? and their football team is #1 with the best QB in the country? that's what i hear.

9/15/2011 3:37:35 PM

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"And notice that I said, "story"'. I didn't document the shit."

nope, but you sure are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

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"You think he's only been hanging around campus during this summer teaching session??"

you're the one who said he was hanging around him all summer, without offering any sources for the claim.

9/15/2011 5:26:26 PM

^How about the summer before that Einstein...when all the shit was going down?

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"nope, but you sure are buying it hook, line, and sinker."

When a lot of the stuff ends up being true, you start off by giving the "stories" the benefit of the doubt. Then when you think about it (HE ACTUALLY DID BECOME HIS AGENT)...does it not make sense?? I know a lot of stuff doesn't make sense to you...but just try and think about this one for a little while.

9/15/2011 5:35:47 PM

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"How about the summer before that Einstein...when all the shit was going down?"

and, again, do you have ANY sources that Carey was providing those benefits during that time? absolutely not. we know that Carey gave Quinn some goodies in the fall, but that was after he had already been kicked off the team. methinks you are confusing Carey with some other agents and runners.

9/15/2011 5:42:59 PM

IMO Carey was on campus to recruit other players as well, not just Quinn. He was probably hoping a bunch of the current DL guys would end up in his "class" and he'd get a chance to know them well. Even if Carey is a professor and likes teaching, UNC had no business letting him on campus especially with the shit storm involving the NCAA going on.



[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 11:19 AM. Reason : sd]

9/16/2011 11:18:41 AM

^ Don't post that shit without evidence or facts!!!!111!!11!

9/16/2011 11:22:22 AM

Carey is Bruce Carter's agent as well. Carter played last season, got hurt in our game, and missed the final against duke and the Music City Bowl.

That's just for informational's sake.

9/16/2011 11:43:32 AM

McAdoo and Reddick's apartment caught on fire last year...posters on PP are now implying that UNC may have committed arson in attempt to hide/destroy evidence.

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"What about the fact that the apartment burned, totally consumed, the weekend of the NCAA first arroving on campus?"

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"I alluded to this fact about the burnt apartment months ago and several on here(mostly the UNC skates crowd) dismissed me as being from out in left field. There was probably damming info lost in that fire."

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"Could be a convenient way to hide evidence of having expensive items that reek of accepting impermissible benefits..."

9/16/2011 12:02:28 PM

I bet they had a track coach in that apartment they needed to make disappear

9/16/2011 12:09:32 PM

Fire? Perhaps there was performance enhancing weed involved.

9/16/2011 12:16:31 PM

When did the investigation into BSU start, because it seemed like it took the NCAA less time to come up with their punishment.

9/16/2011 12:21:45 PM

With so much NCAA violations going on they should burn the entire campus to the ground

9/16/2011 12:27:42 PM

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"IMO Carey was on campus to recruit other players as well, not just Quinn. He was probably hoping a bunch of the current DL guys would end up in his "class" and he'd get a chance to know them well."

and we see exactly how much your opinion is worth, then.

9/16/2011 5:46:14 PM

It is my DREAM for this scandal to be an ESPN 30 for 30 so I can ask my pops (UNC ALUM) for a Blu-ray copy for Christmas.

9/17/2011 11:29:55 AM

agreed on burning campus to the ground

and I called this shit back on July 28th in Chit Chat bitches.

9/17/2011 1:22:51 PM

I'm pretty sure people have been looking for a way to link this to basketball since the news broke over a year ago. And 1 basketball senior taking the independent study course doesn't exactly drag the basketball program into this mess...unfortunately.

9/17/2011 1:34:17 PM

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"It is my DREAM for this scandal to be an ESPN 30 for 30 so I can ask my pops (UNC ALUM) for a Blu-ray copy for Christmas. "

A 30 for 30 would explain how unfairly unc was treated and how the big bad ncaa was just looking to make an example.

9/17/2011 2:18:53 PM

a 30 for 30 would just lump all the schools under investigation together

nobody cares about UNC's problems nationally, and the story really isn't all that interesting

9/17/2011 2:21:57 PM

^people keep saying that. I get that NOW they are not that interesting as far as being a national college football BCS level contender, but neither was SMU until they turned dirty, woke up some boosters, and starting cranking cash, drugs, girls, and whatever else into their program. UNC is plenty fucking big enough on a national level, hell, they are top 3-5 every year (if not 1st) in gear sales and name recognition. A 30 for 30 would be perfect, and if the media gets ahold of enough info to make an interesting 1 hour special, trust me, the "lack" of UNC football prominance will have little to do with their decision to produce it.

9/17/2011 2:40:54 PM

Any hope for an ESPN special died when Miami boosters started paying for hooker abortions.

9/17/2011 2:59:50 PM

All the gear sales and tv viewers are for bball. No one outside of the state gives 2 shits about their fball program. A 30 for 30 won't happen.

9/18/2011 9:44:48 AM

Hey, I said it was a dream.

9/18/2011 10:00:04 AM

^^again, I am not saying it "will" happen, just that if the facts/details become salacious enough the story could easily blow up on a national level. It has little to nothing to do with the local perception of unc football.

9/18/2011 11:08:36 AM

Per several people on twitter, UNC's response to NCAA is expected today. Probably won't be made public until this evening according to Mark Armstrong on twitter. Hopefully it'll provide some good reading tonight

9/19/2011 9:29:12 AM

I heard their official response to the NCAA was due today. Are we expecting a press release about that?

9/19/2011 12:01:24 PM

^ http://twitter.com/#!/ArmstrongWTVD/status/115762237070774273

@ArmstrongWTVD

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"UNC's reponse to NCAA is not expected to go public until 'late this afternoon' per a spokesman"

9/19/2011 12:04:07 PM

Between this and MNF its going to be hard to work on my thesis tonight

9/19/2011 12:27:04 PM

I hate all these press shenanigans they always wait out as long as they can to do these info releases, which make it hard for the press to get it out the information and opinions in the current news cycle so when they get it ends up being late or covered up by something else that came along.

9/19/2011 1:44:44 PM

what do you expect? Of course UNC is going to try and draw this out as long as possible.

9/19/2011 1:53:18 PM

vacating wins from 08 and 09 seasons.

cutting 3 scholarships each year till 2015.

2 years probation

$50k fine

9/19/2011 2:26:04 PM

111 pages right here

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/asset/colleges/unc/2011/09/19/10152862/Redactedresponse.pdf

[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 2:29 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/19/2011 2:28:59 PM

bleh.

9/19/2011 2:31:28 PM

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"There were courses at issue for Honor Court If the credit hours associated with courses identified in Allegation were removed from transcript, have met the NCAA’s progresstoward-degree requirements, credit hours ( during the fall and spring semesters) going into his semester, with a GPA. If failing grades were assigned in these courses, have met the NCAA’s GPA requirement, as his GPA would have been The Honor Court If the credit hours associated with courses identified in Allegation were removed from transcript, have met the NCAA’s progress-toward-degree requirements, credit hours ( during the fall and spring semesters) going into his semester, with a GPA. if failing grades were assigned in these courses, have met the NCAA’s GPA requirement with a GPA. The Honor Court If, the credit hours associated with the course identified in Allegation were removed from have met the NCAA’s progress-toward-degree requirements, credit hours ( during the fall and spring semesters) going into his semester, with a GPA."

Lol this redaction is such bullshit.

PS. This is copied directly from the document, I didn't fuck this up save for the spacing is screwed because of all the shit removed

[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM. Reason : formatting ]

9/19/2011 2:33:22 PM

This is pretty cool. A word cloud of the response:
http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/4095857/UNC_responds_to_NCAA_allegations

Twitter is starting to blowup. Ovies better hurry up and read it before he goes on the air in 10 minutes.

9/19/2011 2:49:45 PM