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the security is still an absolute joke. however, they did make a kiln and a machete was the 1st "weapon" to be made using it. so they have the means of making decent weapons at least to help defend themselves now. i sure as shit wont be messing with anyone swinging a machete haha.

the end of the episode showed a few of them going to an industrial area far out from the main compound to scavenge. they found some useful items but the episode ended with them being chased by "the infected" or "the hostiles" or whatever we are calling them.

i'm not sure how i feel about the 2 noobies who showed up last night either. their intentions seem to be alright except for the "oh this is our's now" attitude. may lead to some drama-filled events in the coming weeks.

8/11/2010 1:03:21 PM

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Wow. I knew it was coming from the previews and commercials, but abducting Becka doesn't completely sit right with me. She's gonna need counseling after this. I am honestly going to be pretty disappointed if the colonists don't strike back in some way, "rules" or not.

8/20/2010 10:52:32 PM

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"i am still a bit let down by the projects and where they are only this amount of time into the experiment. the projects last year really seemed to be innovative with the "cool" factor. so far this year, they've been "meh". "


That’s because they had more experts and actually intelligent people in the first one.

They are clearly going for more drama in this one, rather than survival.

I only grudgingly like this show so far, I think the first one was much better.

8/21/2010 1:41:42 AM

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i wouldnt be surprised if we dont see her again for the rest of the season. they pulled this shit in S1 with the "disappearance" of George. it was done in S1 to see how the rest of the group would cope with the loss of a fellow colonist. so based on that, and knowing that no one saw her leave or knows she left, she may be done for the rest of the experiment.

8/21/2010 9:05:35 PM

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i dont understand how they arent understanding the concept of a buddy system

they sent reno out there to chase after the maruader(s) by his dman self while they all cowered around the window watching

and then they allow becca to go out and forage alone/beca didnt tell anyone she was going

they make all this stuff but they are really inept at basic security

i like the newcomers, it seems like the new dude is layin into them about security in the preview

it was sad to see that bridge wash away, but they dont really need it. The question is why dont they use any of that rotten meat/unusable smoked fish for bait instead of that large spinner bait that is only going to entice large fish to strike and can easily get snagged and lost...instead of ctach smaller fish that could actually feed a person that are more numerous and more easy to find and even use as live bait.

i cant beliebve they didnt use the remainder of the hogs for that purpose, maybe using it to chum the water at least

the cast just seems bitchy...the guys went out and hunted for food...ok so they didnt get much foood, but they found some great items and all they got was bitching from everyone that sat on their ass.

[Edited on August 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM. Reason : f]

8/23/2010 1:03:16 PM

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i wish i could say i was glad to see Becka returned unharmed but i knew they would pull the shit they did by asking for more stuff. i mean i am glad the colonists as a whole got the abducted person returned but Becka seems like "tits on a bull", absolutely useless. but knowing that you need a real true mix of people for an experiment like this, she is necessary from that standpoint. i was very impressed with the windmill, they did an awesome job on that. however, i do agree with what was said about the possibility it will attract the wrong kind of attention now and put them at bigger risk of attacks.

the nice thing to hear was that for the 1st time, the issue of security was really discussed and not taken as a joke. security is still a lost concept with these people which is mind-boggling in every sense. as much as i dont care for Becka, she was right in stating they are not safe there, they never will be safe there and they have to get out of there. so maybe we will see a progression towards them leaving somehow? if i were them with that canal right there, i'd try to fix one of the boats up and use that to potentially leave.

8/25/2010 7:40:21 AM

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i dont know why people are so dissappointed in becca

i feel like shes definitely been pulling her weight and has been very visible in all sorts of projects shes actually one of my favorites for that reason

i think people see "model" and automatically want to assign her as useless, truth is shes been heavily involved in just about everything shes just not a particular specialist or mastermind is all


and every once in awhile shell complain about her hair...so what?

i cant believe reno was naming shit to bring to the enemies that they hadnt asked for, that was stupid and the loggers (amanda?) comments were legit about them being seen as a general store with the way the hostage situation was handled.

i also kind of agree with her on becca probably being the least specifically useful and maybe not giving so much to them for her return without trying something else (i like becca, but she is the only "generalist" in the experiment)

8/25/2010 2:48:06 PM

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There really no way for a viewer to be able to tell who does what and how much around camp. There are 4-5 people that have barely been shown on camera at all and, as far as the viewer have seen, have contributed absolutely nothing, but I'm sure that's probably not the case. They have hundreds of hours of footage per week and have to cut it down to 42 minutes, so it's unfair to judge how useful someone is based on screen time.

Also, I know it's so easy to sit here on the comfort of my couch and say I would do this differently, I wouldn't have done that, etc, but I really think I wouldn't have been able to stop myself from bumrushing that fat dude when he was picking up the cans of food and tackling him to the ground and using him as trade to get Becka back. But then again, I don't put too much stock into that whole "the colonists don't know what's real and what's not after being isolated for so many weeks" stuff, so I say that knowing full well that if I tried something and failed, no one would actually get killed or hurt because it's just a TV show.

I kind of do wonder how real it gets for these people. I think you'd have more fun and get more from the experience if you allowed yourself to forget that it wasn't real, but I'm not sure that I could do it completely, and I wonder how many of the people on the show are the same way.

8/25/2010 10:43:25 PM

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"I don't put too much stock into that whole "the colonists don't know what's real and what's not after being isolated for so many weeks" stuff, so I say that knowing full well that if I tried something and failed, no one would actually get killed or hurt because it's just a TV show.
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In the episode when they built the bridge the firs time, you could see cars driving around in the background... i think IRL, they have PLENTY of things that remind them that nothing's real.

8/25/2010 10:52:12 PM

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They have camera crews following them all the time as well, but I think after some time the colonists will accept them and stuff like cars and airplanes as just scenery. While they might not get immersed in the whole 'virus' ordeal (the quarantine stuff at the beginning of the season was ~) they are still having to survive on their own in that wasteland. Having some people come in and steal your shit is pretty real no matter what you're doing.

8/26/2010 11:13:22 AM

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"but I really think I wouldn't have been able to stop myself from bumrushing that fat dude when he was picking up the cans of food and tackling him to the ground and using him as trade to get Becka back."


That's what I was thinking too. There were only three bad dudes there and I think 9 colonists, right? I wonder if it would have been difficult at all for them to organize a group of like five people (two people to remain in the house and one guy to talk to them as a diversion) to sneak around the canal and jump in the pickup truck with the driver. I guess homeboy in the back could have had a simulated knife to Becca's throat or something... but still, it wonder what the rules of the show are for capturing or "killing" the aggressors.

8/26/2010 4:54:12 PM

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the way they handled it was stupid, they put themselves completely at the mercy of the kidnappers, the better approach would have been to set up some sort of trap and capture one of them and traded prisoners

8/26/2010 5:49:18 PM

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^^ Maybe not a simulated knife but the guy in the back of the truck and the ringleader both had large cans of pepper spray (no idea about the driver). But I agree, the colonists could have handled that situation much better.

8/26/2010 6:56:44 PM

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^^ actually the best approach would have been to tell them to fuck off and let them keep becca. what are they gonna do, kill her?

8/26/2010 8:54:18 PM

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^Well I guess they are supposed to think of it like a real apocalypse type situation. If it were real, they would probably rape her to death, and depending on how desperate for food they were, eat her. (maybe I should stop reading The Road...)

lol I would have laughed if Reno had been like "You want our food? Looks like you're getting enough food as is, fatty!"

8/27/2010 8:59:24 AM

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they have those shock knives that are used in knife training simulations that would add an element of realism and risk/reward if they used something like that

but then again if they can walk around with the machete....at least it seems like they bring the machete with them for security when they go out. I wonder if it would really be of any use given that they cant actually use it and they are aware enough that this is a show and cant hack some experiment participan to death live on TV

8/27/2010 1:08:10 PM

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When that looter was running around during the house burning and Reno went out (by himself) to check on things, did he take the machete with him? I guess maybe they are instructed not to use weapons like that if they could potentially face off with someone but that takes a lot away from the accuracy of the show.

8/27/2010 1:47:44 PM

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i dont think he took anything with him, but they took the machete with them in the bayou (obviously) and I believe when the becca, jim and the mechanic raided that building but that didnt wind up being much of a fight if i remember correctly it just showed the two girls leaving the building with stuff in tow

8/27/2010 2:26:30 PM

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in that warehouse they showed Jim swinging a bunch of pipes at the baddies, who just happened to have cattle prods or some kind of electric taser. i dont know if he made contact with any of them, there were 3 if i remember correctly.

8/28/2010 12:15:17 PM

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"When that looter was running around during the house burning and Reno went out (by himself) to check on things, did he take the machete with him? "


Reno took some small pipe with him that was maybe a foot long. I thought the way they handled that looter situation was retarded, especially in that they capped it off by sending him off alone.

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"in that warehouse they showed Jim swinging a bunch of pipes at the baddies, who just happened to have cattle prods or some kind of electric taser. i dont know if he made contact with any of them, there were 3 if i remember correctly."


I think he did make contact, and he got hit a few times as well (he was complaining about being hit in the arm), and there were three. The girls booked it while Jim held off the warehouse dudes.

I just finished episode 4, so I missed the hostage situation. I think its just simply retarded that they are putting so much emphasis on projects like the windmill and forge when they don't even have any sustainable food model. Something as simple as hunting for food in the bayou every day, really, come on. Do they even do anything like that? I'll see one survivor half assedly fish but that's about it

8/31/2010 1:48:54 PM

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^Agreed on the food... that's probably the one thing more important than their security and they seem to be procrastinating with it. They haven't even caught one fish. You'd think they would have two or three people whose sole job was just being hunter-gatherers every day. And hell if I were in such a situation, I'd probably start looking around for grasshoppers and stuff. If there is a bayou nearby that thing has to be full of edible insects. I've never had roast grasshopper before but I bet if I were starving it would be pretty tasty.

8/31/2010 2:25:48 PM

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seems like they caught an alligator on the next episode

8/31/2010 3:50:10 PM

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Sian was right about sally, i dont think shed be a bad leader but I have gotten the impression that she and reno would only respect eachothers opinions

on the other hand im surprised sian was picked so many times, not that i believe she has no merit itts just weve seen very little of her in the show shes hasnt been promoted much aside from complainaing about becca

"pullin the skin off this gator is like pullin the make up bag from becca" lol

usin that noose for intruders is pretty macabre, niiice i hope to see it used but I doubt theyll show it on tv


especially if the intruder is black

i wonder what is gonna happen with that dude that was scopin the motorcycle out, based on their "updated" security procedure my guess is that they get their motorcycle stolen and all the water they got colleced siphoned off.

and once again i am impressed with becca deciding that the roaches would be a goood meal and goin ahead and collecting them...AFTER they done had alligator meat.

see, she aint so bad

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM. Reason : j]

9/1/2010 12:36:00 PM

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that alligator was complete luck or it was planted in the pool for them to find. granted, they did what they shoulda done which was eat it, but its like "wow what perfect timing". it was entertaining watching them through the whole ordeal, from catching to eating. i couldnt believe the amount of meat that was in the tail tho.

as for that guy that keeps nosing around, i dont get him. this isnt the 1st time he has been shown snooping. they showed him in the episode where the house burnt down as well. also, i think they showed him when Becca was taken. every time he is well concealed in the brush just scoping out everyone with his binocs. i mean maybe he's a scout for the baddies? no idea..

they once again talked about getting out of there but nothing serious has been done to really facilitate that. the moto-trike thing can only take 2 maybe 3 at most so what about the others? like i stated earlier, i really see the colonists this season as digging in more, for the duration, unlike last season where the colonists made a very strong conscientious effort to leave the area hoping for something better. but maybe that'll change in the next episode or 2.

9/1/2010 1:00:16 PM

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Another boring episode. This season isn't 10% as good as the first. And next week just looks to be weirder. WTF is up with the candlemaster in the shipping container. That might make for a good character in a sci-fi movie, but that isn't the kind of stuff I want to see on this show.

And what is up with them just now searching the local buildings for supplies? They've been there a month, there's am old restaurant within hiking distance, and they are just now getting around to looking in it? And what about all those dozens of houses they rode by? At one point they seem to be driving down a street in a neighborhood. The lawns seem to be reasonably maintained. I really do wonder if the entire area they have access to is truly shut off from everybody that lived there or what. Cause the first thing I would do is ransack every single house I could find to look for old cans of food. The producers must have but strict limits on where they can and can't look for food. Otherwise, I wonder how many little trinkets from home like the macaroni board they would have had to hide in order for one to be found. It makes me wonder if they get instructions from the producers like "OK, now we want you to go search the 3 buildings in this block of town today. But make sure you don't go anywhere else".

9/1/2010 4:12:55 PM

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Alright, so I found the restaurant on google maps:


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It's about 2 miles by road away from the camp and <.5 mile if you walked in a straight line to it. It does go through some currently occupied neighborhoods though, so I guess that's why they used such tight shots when they were traveling. Upon further inspection of those scenes, I did see a truck and a van in the background parked right across the street from the fast food place, so I guess I was right, they do have artificial limits as to where they can and can't go. I guess they're doing the best they can, but it does sort of suck to realize how much of what you see isn't even close to being real.

9/1/2010 4:54:51 PM

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What are they using to fuel the bike?

9/1/2010 9:21:04 PM

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i'm glad to see some of them are getting their act together and getting security conscious. also, it's about damn time they realized the boats that are scattered around the compound can be used for many purposes. i don't understand why it took them so long to realize that. i'm starting to wonder if there is a lot more input from the show into what the colonists do and when they do it. sort of like instead of telling them "ok you have to do this today" its more of "you have these 3 choices of what to do today/this week, you decide which one." its simply once again the finding of the right items at exactly the right time and so on. now i understand the show is edited and we don't see the majority of footage but based on what we do see, it's hard to think otherwise, especially after seeing last season completely and this season entirely up to this point.

and the whole "tick" thing to me is just wtf. after weeks of showing this guy creeping around, watching everyone, etc he's simply a good guy who's just been living by himself in the same compound only in a shipping container. and who happens to be a former marine sniper and recon haha. really? that's what you are giving us for this guy? ...

9/8/2010 7:43:24 AM

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Yeah, I don't like that they're going all 'Divine Intervention' on them and handing them a expert survivalist. That's what Jim was supposed to be (the rat guy). I wanted to see them suffer more for their stupidity . Yeah, 42 days in, let's start getting a daily gathering scheme going guys!!!

9/8/2010 10:37:29 AM

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i was disappointed that jim just started trustin this guy, he was on the right course by being cautious

i have a funny feelin about this dude i dont think this is suppose to be a happily ever after thing

however, it is freakin embarssin that this guy walked straight up in there camp not even sneakin and hammered a note onto a wood plank witha knife and no one noticed until he got back to the bushes

i felt real bad for amber when everyone jumped on her about the boat thing, im startin to like her actually, that was messed up how everyone jumped down her throat i thought it was extremely uncalled for....at the same time i have yet to get the impression that becca hates her i wonder where amber gets that from

salt your roaches lightly, or else theyll make you run around the compound doing ballet!

[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM. Reason : r]

9/8/2010 11:08:17 AM

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I think she's incredibly selfish at times, and when they showed her putting her name on the boat initially I was all "yo wtf, that's not just your boat." Plus her saying that she's only out for herself instead of being in it for the team would really put her on my bad side.

I also didn't see any evidence at all that Becca didn't like her. I think she just didn't like Becca to begin with through some "I hate you pretty girl" viewpoint, and then when Becca questioned openly "What does Lawg Dawgs mean" she took that to be an attack. Which is

[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 11:17 AM. Reason : ;]

9/8/2010 11:15:37 AM

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i thought it was a little excessive, considering it was a sticker tht peeled right off

i completely understand her viewpoint about considering yourself in addition to working with your team. Of all people jim, the guy that bitched about getting a few grains of rice less than one other person, thinks he has a right to jump on amber about that?

she just seemed genuinely confused and caught off guard that she got that much heat about and she immediately went and rectified it showing she really didnt intend to make it about herself or anything crazy like that. I think shes stressed out about the situation liek everyone and wanted to relate something to her former life that made her happy and boosted her morale and spirits

maybe she thought when she explained the meaning the other colonists would understand and be on boad with would the phrase stood for, but man did that backfire, its unfortunate.

that wasnt a good look for the group, personally


I think sally is doin a good job being a leader, goin around and checking on all the projects and showing support (though i do not feel this situation really warrants a leadership role)

9/8/2010 11:35:35 AM

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also they didnt even quarantine tick

O O O and another thing

why the fuck did they let themselves get shaken down by that pregnant bitch and her highwaymen?? and why is it that Jim is the only guy with a set of balls to go down there and everyone else cowered on the roof????


O WOW NET GUNS... two guys have net guns they could disable a whopping two colonists. Their were three maybe able bodied men and a pregnant ho against 12 or so colonists??

They could have ganked their shit and sent them on their way, those net guns would have made great use. That pissed me off so bad at the beginning and i just now remembered it, Jim impressed me but damn aint nobody step up to back him up, probably too busy giving those highwaymen more water and food.

that was gay, these colonists really are a general store

[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason : f]

9/8/2010 12:07:44 PM

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Yeah, they acted all big and bad in making the forge for weapons, but now they just give up their supplies to anyone who walks by. From the beginning they've been seen as nothing but a supply depot for anyone in the area. I liked how Season 1 made actual mass-deterrence weapons, like the molotovs and the flame thrower. This season is too stupid to do anything worthwhile towards ensuring their survival, like getting FOOD and SECURITY.

I still don't understand the huge push they made for the windmill. Yes, your gasoline was running out and you couldn't charge your batteries to run your power tools....what the fuck were your power tools being used for? They certainly weren't being used to get FOOD or SECURITY. Plus they used nearly every colonist on the windmill project, when 2 could be out constantly gathering or hunting.

I also laughed when they said they need to move out to a new area where food and water was plentiful. You're living within walking distance to a god damn bayou, teeming with fish, turtles, gators, and apparently wild pigs. Only place you could go to get more available food would be a damn farm.

I also think the ethanol production is pretty ridiculous. Where did he get all that crap? Do you really believe he could get the container completely sterile? Not to mention that all the ethanol is going to just evaporate with the method they have for collection. I've used it in the lab and it is extremely volatile and will disappear in no time in open air, especially if its just dripping like that.

9/8/2010 12:22:33 PM

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that's the point i was trying to get at in previous post. it seems like they always find the right items at exactly the right times they are needed. the ethanol making is a perfect example. dude goes out and just so happens to find everything he needs. that made me question a lot from the 1st season because it was the exact same. big project X needs supplies A,B, and C and wouldn't ya know it that A,B, and C are found right in the compound, sometimes in plain view. i really hate to think the show gives them the ideas of what to make but i'm finding it harder not to think they have a lot more input than originally thought.

9/8/2010 12:38:42 PM

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I didnt watch the first season, but even I have noticed as early as the first two eps of season 2 that the producers are pretty involved

by this point the producers are getting more and more heavy handed and it does take away from the experience of the show. its like the idea of the show is no necessarily pure survival but rudimentary engineering


seems like similar notions but how i see it a show about rudimentary engineering wouldnt require much duress or urgency, just give them the supplies and provide advice (as mentioned in the disclaimer at the beginning of each episode) which is exactly what they are doing.

if it were about survival the staff would only intervene in medical emergencies such as injury or notable starvation or dehydration, etc. PERIOD. the producers literally step in everytime the colonists make a bad choice. they dont even have to deal with it long enough to feel the consequences before they are rescued by good ol captain kirk on a boat through the canal...or some airplane engine is dragged out into a field a block away.

like when deville was literally nearly killed by that staircase. I like how that was made into a not such a big deal (sarcasm)...they emphasized the little cut he got

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9/8/2010 12:49:39 PM

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I agree with the whole "staged" aspect of the show being dumb. I noticed it a lot in the first season, but even more so here. The whole feast with Tick was sort of a cop-out.

Speaking of Tick and not being quarantined; I wonder what the VOPA call at the end is going to be about. I'm guessing it might have something to do with Tick... or...





...at this point I'd really love to see some zombies.

9/8/2010 6:35:32 PM

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its not so bad that its somewhat staged as it is an experiment by design and they are supposed to be introducing variables

but its just been a fuckin free for all abilout lately and it is gettin difficult to be immersed in the show

and i bet a big ole net trap falls on becca and reno for walkin to that phone

lol

9/8/2010 6:38:11 PM

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[Edited on September 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM. Reason : >_>]

9/8/2010 9:25:39 PM

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^^lol I know right, you'd think after the numerous attempts at deceit that the outsiders have been pulling, the second Reno and Becca heard that phone they would have gone and gotten like three more colonists and some weapons for backup. The outsiders could have just easily have jumped them.

9/9/2010 8:36:03 AM

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gotta say the riot shields are a good idea; that was smart thinking on their parts. but it is really incredible how Tick had to basically yell at them and tell them point blank their security has been a joke. he even said at one point "that's why i'm here" almost like hinting at he was brought in solely because they were so dumb when it came to protecting themselves and the house.

besides that, i'm glad to see the work progressing to leave the compound. i was really surprised everyone had so easily latched onto the idea they were being rescued by VOPA. not a single one of them questioned it which really bothered me. its a shame but the last thing i would depend on is a government agency especially after how Katrina went down. granted that wasnt the apocalypse but still pretty bad. and i love how Amber threw in the "i'm an anarchist" line when she did haha.

9/15/2010 2:52:48 PM

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im startin to like amber


shes freakin tryin man, i dont feel she gets the respect that she deserves, im guilty of it also

despite her claim to be an anarchist and independent attitude she seems to be more affected by opersonal failings and group criticism than anyone

i was hapy to see her get praise for the boat and smile for once

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9/15/2010 11:32:41 PM

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Good thing they had all that wood glue just lying around so they could make that propeller.


Also a good thing they had all that PVC glue and the air compressor just lying around to make that water cannon.

9/15/2010 11:35:33 PM

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I think Sally is a lesbian based on the ipod videos

and tell me why everyone huddled around those damn phones they gotta got their worlds rocked i honestly thought they were being setup at that moment but I guess the producers showed mercy

[Edited on September 16, 2010 at 11:49 AM. Reason : g]

9/16/2010 11:47:44 AM

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"I think Sally is a lesbian based on the ipod videos"


why you say that? i mean i'm not disagreeing with ya at all just curious why you say. i've gotten the lesbian vibe from her as well.

9/16/2010 5:51:21 PM

gunzz
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hahah me too
but wasnt that her sister in the video...i was kind of fast
forwarding b/c i really didnt give a shit

9/16/2010 5:55:36 PM

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mainly because she didnt have an SO

and I get that vibe from her overall

[Edited on September 17, 2010 at 9:51 AM. Reason : s]

9/17/2010 9:51:13 AM

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I forget and I could be wrong but did one of them during the videos say "that is my daughter and her girlfriend." or something along those lines? anyone remember who had said that? Was it Deville?

9/17/2010 10:03:16 AM

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that was deville


he had a girlfriend and his daughter


and might i had his girlfriend was significantly younger than he...


and she was yelllloow boned

Pimp.

9/17/2010 10:54:42 AM

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BTTT for tonight

looks like a good battle tonight between colonists and marauders. i hope it is somewhat of a good faceoff and not some stupid chicken-shit pushing like the very 1st melee when they broke into the house.

9/21/2010 12:01:48 PM

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