is coming.

What do you do?

1. Fight on the government's side (control of 70% of the military)
2. Fight on the civilian's side (control of 30% of the military...mostly defectors)
3. Flee to another country

7/22/2010 10:01:51 PM

4. Declare a breakaway republic Joetopia and gather a rag-tag army to defend it Red Dawn style.

7/22/2010 10:02:50 PM

Flee.

Fuck you guys I'm outta here it's not even that great anyway.

7/22/2010 10:03:19 PM

grow weed and make whiskey.

7/22/2010 10:04:19 PM

1. Because all you hippy faggots will get owned within 6 hours of the beginning of the war.

7/22/2010 10:05:07 PM

Flee.

Fuck you guys I'm outta here it's not even that great anyway.

7/22/2010 10:05:15 PM

Kinda depends on the cause.

7/22/2010 10:05:41 PM

do we get to fight to own slaves again? I will need some to pick my weed crops and run the still.

7/22/2010 10:09:03 PM

that's sure to end well

7/22/2010 10:10:21 PM

i'm going with the black guys. always bet on the black guy.

7/22/2010 10:14:40 PM

there will be another war, a revolution. people vs. government. I shall side with the people to rid this country of the tyrannical government we now have.

7/22/2010 10:15:26 PM

Pray to John Titor.

7/22/2010 10:32:43 PM

^^sometimes the governments win -> iran

7/22/2010 10:35:17 PM

^that government will soon be taken over. soon.

7/22/2010 10:35:41 PM

I saw Mindstorm as the last poster and knew I had to post, because MINDNETSTORM LIVES.

7/22/2010 10:36:50 PM

The United World of America?

7/22/2010 10:37:30 PM

7/22/2010 10:56:13 PM

"The Party believes it is in the best interest of the citizens of the United States that we immediately rescind our membership, as well as financial and military contributions to, the United Nations... The Party urges Congress to evict the United Nations from U.S. soil."

7/22/2010 10:58:03 PM

Quote :

"1. Fight on the government's side (control of 70% of the military) 2. Fight on the civilian's side (control of 30% of the military...mostly defectors)"

It wouldn't be anything like that. You'd have civilian militias, who are somewhat armed and possibly willing to fight, but their firepower wouldn't match up to the military, and I doubt they'd be able to organize well enough to do much damage. The average citizen, these days, does not own a weapon, and certainly doesn't have enough weapons/ammo to last very long against trained soldiers. Furthermore, the average citizen just doesn't have the constitution to participate in armed combat. The government has already stripped the peasantry of the right to use military grade weapons, under the guise of protecting the people. The military would crush any uprisings so quickly that people would learn that it's better to leave the country or join the winning side.

The real question is whether or not members of the military would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. I'd hope that most of them wouldn't. Then again, anyone that has joined the military recently apparently doesn't have a problem aiding in illegal and immoral military occupations. With the right amount (and type) of propaganda from their commanding officers, I'm sure many could be convinced to go through with it. I'm certain that most would go through with it if they faced jail or death otherwise.

As for what I would do, I don't know. It depends on the circumstances. If I felt that the country could be salvaged, and the battle was winnable, and I was in a position to make a difference, perhaps. The United States is probably the best chance the human race has had up to now to live in anything close to true liberty. I hope that a violent revolution or civil war never has to take place. I hope that we, as individuals, can educate our fellow citizens and have a democratic revolution. Truthfully, I don't find that to be very likely at all. I think the United States will go down as another fallen empire that had its potential squandered by power hungry politicians, and citizens that either didn't give a shit or knew that the system couldn't work for them.

7/22/2010 11:21:38 PM

More like the 3rd Civil War. amirite?

7/22/2010 11:24:56 PM

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"Then again, anyone that has joined the military recently apparently doesn't have a problem aiding in illegal and immoral military occupations."

It's not like they can say no.

7/22/2010 11:26:08 PM

^^^ I agree with paragraph 1. I ed at paragraph 2. And semi-agree with paragraph 3. You obviously have no real knowledge of the military.

[Edited on July 22, 2010 at 11:27 PM. Reason : I fucking hate it when people say shit like that about the military. FUCKING HIPPIES]

[Edited on July 22, 2010 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ^^^ Major : Political Science. Well there's your problem.]

7/22/2010 11:26:37 PM

^this

even though I wouldn't say that I agree with anything that was posted.

As potentially eloquent as those words are they are still empty and show nothing of one's own empty morals.

7/22/2010 11:33:26 PM

they're all gangbangers anyway

[Edited on July 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM. Reason : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/28/eveningnews/main3107316.shtml]

7/22/2010 11:38:41 PM

^ Yeah, we sure are. I know I gangbang everyday.

7/22/2010 11:40:50 PM

nothing more homo than the military....

7/22/2010 11:41:34 PM

my guess is that the gangbangers infiltrated the guard in new orleans after katrina--they heard about the cheap heroin in afghanistan and wanted in on the govt's racket

7/22/2010 11:44:25 PM

1. sit on fence and watch
2. when it's clear which side is going to win, join that side
....
3. profit

7/22/2010 11:47:16 PM

JeffreyBSG = d357r0y3r exposed?!

7/22/2010 11:51:41 PM

I'd fight against the government....all Rage Against the Machine style.

FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

/killinginthenameof

Edit: Just saw the "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me thread". Odd for a 15 year old song to get 2 mentions in the same day


[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 12:14 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 12:02:48 AM

^
I have this mental picture of Zack de la Rocha sitting in his mansion, wearing a bathrobe and sipping a cup of tea, while the revolution rages on all around

7/23/2010 12:05:50 AM

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"It's not like they can say no."

They can say no. They could have not joined the military.

Quote :

"You obviously have no real knowledge of the military."

Please, enlighten me. After all, I am speculating. How do you think it would go in a "government versus citizenry" civil war scenario? What percentage of soldiers do you think would intentionally disobey a message from the executive branch telling them to kill members of a militia or faction?

7/23/2010 12:16:31 AM

i will probably just get a job in outside sales

7/23/2010 12:18:18 AM

i'd probably go to london for a few days

7/23/2010 12:19:16 AM

^^^The military is sworn first and foremost to defend the Constitution from all threats foreign and domestic.... If the uprising is due to the executive branch breaching the constitution, theoretically the military would/should side with the people

If the uprising is just an attempt to overthrow the government for no good reason, I'd imagine the military would open fire on armed civilians.

That said, civilians aren't going to overthrow the gov't unless their liberties are taken from them.

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 12:26 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 12:19:19 AM

^Interesting point. In the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan, the authorization to go to war was issued by the President. Congress never actually declared war in either of those situations. How many people are joining the military, and then refusing the order to go to Iraq or Afghanistan on the basis of either war's constitutionality?

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 12:36 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 12:35:36 AM

^Careful

Don't fall for the troll.

7/23/2010 12:35:43 AM

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"That said, civilians aren't going to overthrow the gov't unless their liberties are taken from them."

One by one, our liberties are turning into "privileges."

7/23/2010 12:36:58 AM

^

7/23/2010 12:37:09 AM

Quote :

"^Interesting point. In the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan, the authorization to go to war was issued by the President. Congress never actually declared war in either of those situations. How many people are joining the military, and then refusing the order to go to Iraq or Afghanistan on the basis of either war's constitutionality? "

The constituionality of the war is a long multi-forked road that could be argued all day. All I could say about it would be that our rights as Americans were technically not infringed no matter what you think about the war

If our president and executive branch were to flat out magically take away freedom of speech one morning, you'd have mass uprisings. In that case, the military would (theoretically...according to the oath they swear) defend the constitution and would fight alongside the people


[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 1:01 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 12:40:37 AM

Quote :

"The constituionality of the war is a long multi-forked road that could be argued all day. All I could say about it would be that our rights as Americans were technically not infringed no matter what you think about the war"

Even if the wars are somehow constitutional (which I don't see as possible, since the Constitution only grants Congress the right to declare war), our rights most certainly have been infringed upon. What if history judges these wars to not have been in our best interests? The wars are part of the reason our debt has exploded. You hear Republicans bitching about the debt, demanding that we curb spending in 2010, but you don't see them making amends for their willingness to blow a few trillion in the desert.

Quote :

"If our president and executive branch were to flat out magically take away freedom of speech one morning, you'd have mass uprisings. In that case, the military would (theoretically...according to the oath they swear) defend the constitution and would fight alongside the people"

They'll never just out and out ban free speech like that. Politicians know better than that. If you're going to strip people of liberty, it's best to bury the law in some 2,000 page piece of legislation. That way, no one will actually read it.

7/23/2010 1:29:20 AM

My answer:

Fight on the civilian's side (control of 30% of the military...mostly defectors)

Sure I may have chosen to side with the "losing" team, but I'll die trying to keep my freedom.

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 1:41 AM. Reason : .]

7/23/2010 1:40:45 AM

Quote :

" The United States is probably the best chance the human race has had up to now to live in anything close to true liberty. "

you've been brainwashed well.


I would be on the first plane out of here.

7/23/2010 2:08:53 AM

Flee. Canada, or Sweden if i can afford to get there.

7/23/2010 10:19:59 AM

Quote :

"The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)"

d357r0y3r, please stop acting like you know anything about the military because you are illustrating more and more that you do not. So, thanks for trying, but you still failed miserably. Oh, and you also might want to do a little more studying in your major because you obviously have no knowledge of Poli Sci either.

7/23/2010 10:40:00 AM

Yes, it's clear from my posts that I have no knowledge of the military, political science, or government affairs in general. You got me.

7/23/2010 11:21:21 AM

I mean, I'd say you don't

7/23/2010 11:23:16 AM

FBI watchlist members ITT

7/23/2010 11:24:54 AM

^^I second that.

And I think your discriminatory generalization of the military is just juvenile and grossly ill-informed. But I guess you're an expert since you know everything about how the government and military operate.


[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason : moar]

7/23/2010 11:25:32 AM

^^^Read my posts again and back up your statement. If the best you're going to be able to come up with is, "uhh, err....you clearly are an idiot and I am correct, but I won't tell you why," then just leave the thread now.

Quote :

"And I think your discriminatory generalization of the military is just juvenile and grossly ill-informed. But I guess you're an expert since you know everything about how the government and military operate."

I'm not an expert, but I've read the Constitution. The oaths you posted, which were used to refute my point, actually support my point. Soldiers are required to uphold the Constitution, but they don't. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unconstitutional, plain and simple. Congress did not declare war. Also, that oath also says that soldiers must obey orders from the President and commanding officers. How does that refute my point?

Quote :

"you've been brainwashed well."

I'll have to give you another history lesson sometime.

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 11:27:06 AM