V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jason-whitlock-expose-ncaa-not-reggie-bush-072210
Thank you Jessie Jackson for once again inspiring pure blatant stupidity combined with racism.
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Expose the NCAA, not the athletes
Jason Whitlock writes about the sports world from every angle, including those other writers can't imagine or muster courage to address. His columns are humorous, thought-provoking, agenda free, honest and unpredictable. You can e-mail Jason or follow him on Twitter.
PRINT RSS UpdatedJul 22, 2010 4:18 PM ET The NCAA rule book is not the United States Constitution.
If anything, the rule book supporting the bogus concept of “amateur athletics” is akin to the laws that supported Jim Crow, denied women suffrage and upheld slavery.
FOX SPORTS POLL Who should investigative reporters be going after? The agents The coaches The players The schools The NCAA The architect of the modern NCAA, the organization’s former president, Walter Byers, spelled out all of this in his 1997 mea culpa, “Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Exploiting the Student-Athlete.”
Byers wrote: “Today the NCAA Presidents Commission is preoccupied with tightening a few loose bolts in a worn machine, firmly committed to the neo-plantation belief that the enormous proceeds from college games belong to the overseers (administrators) and supervisors (coaches). The plantation workers performing in the arena may only receive those benefits authorized by the overseers.”
Byers was not and is not a Jesse Jackson sympathizer. Byers is a white, right-wing conservative from Kansas. He was the NCAA’s first president (1951-1988) and sole visionary. He admitted creating a monster. His NCAA memoir was his repentance and call for a fundamental overhaul of a corrupt organization.
Reggie Bush is Kunta Kinte, a runaway slave.
The media are slave-catchers, mindless mercenaries crucifying child athletes for following the financial lead of their overseer coaches such as Pete Carroll, Lane Kiffin and Nick Saban.
I graduated from a very good journalism school. Ball State’s program is not the equal of Northwestern’s or Missouri’s, but I feel quite comfortable that I understand the role of journalists.
Journalists are not trained to be attack dogs for morally bankrupt institutions.
At some point, we can recognize that an investigative journalism award and individual career advancement do not justify pretending there is some honor in safeguarding the NCAA’s plantation.
USC is giving back Reggie Bush’s Heisman Trophy. Call me when Pete Carroll gives back a dime. Call me when USC offers a refund to all the people who purchased Reggie Bush jerseys.
Call me when the phony moralizing stops and we, the media, quit demonizing black kids for cashing in like white men.
If you read this column regularly, you know I’m fond of the TV show "The Wire" and making Wire-related analogies. The pursuit of Reggie Bush and his Heisman Trophy is the equivalent of police commissioner Ervin Burrell demanding a “buy-bust sting” and “dope on the table.”
It’s a publicity stunt. Everyone is falling for it. It’s working so well that Nick $aban had the audacity to climb on his LSU-Dolphins-Alabama high horse and claim that the rules-breaking street agents are pimps.
It takes one to know one, Nick “Mr. White Folks” Saban.
Pack journalism must die. My industry/profession has sold the NCAA lie for too long. We’ve served as the NCAA’s volunteer investigative unit for 40 years.
Why?
We know exactly what Byers knows and admitted: amateur athletics is a for-profit scam.
Television and money perverted college football and basketball a generation ago. Coaches and administrators are making millions. The athletes are being compensated in a currency (a shot at a compromised education in their spare time) many of them don’t respect and haven’t been properly prepared to use. The NCAA takes most of the money generated by football and men’s basketball and invests it in welfare sports that don’t generate a dollar and are played mostly by kids who have nothing in common with the football and basketball players who produced the revenue.
Add in that we now have a far better understanding of the long-term health risks associated with playing football and it’s even more clear why these young people can’t resist taking what’s offered to them.
Reggie Bush is Kunta Kinte.
The media are going to chop his Heisman Trophy off, drag him back to USC’s plantation and let new athletic director Pat Haden lash his legacy in front of Chicken George, Fiddler and Kizzy.
And several reporters will get promotions, pay raises and a few plaques for “catching” Reggie Bush.
I have a great deal of respect for the reporters at Yahoo Sports, the media outlet that has led the Bush investigation. But I have no respect for the NCAA rule book. I have no respect for the sports journalism-awards culture that rewards NCAA rules-violation stories.
Yahoo Sports has done awesome work exposing financial links between summer basketball kingpins, the Pump brothers, and high-profile college basketball coaches and administrators. I mention this because I don’t want to create the impression that reporters I respect solely focus on supporting out-of-date NCAA/amateur athletics rules.
But this Reggie Bush story has infuriated me. I’ve listened to too many talking heads shred Bush and street agents as though they’re the problem in college athletics.
The problem is the lie, the original sin, the myth that our society is enhanced by protecting the fallacy of “amateur athletics.” Rather than destroy Reggie Bush and his Heisman Trophy, aggressive, righteous journalists should work to destroy the NCAA and every other institution in support of the amateur lie.
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[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]7/23/2010 9:28:00 AM |
Dammit100 All American 17605 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Jason Whitlock writes about the sports world from every angle, including those other writers can't imagine or muster courage to address. His columns are humorous, thought-provoking, agenda free, honest and unpredictable. You can e-mail Jason or follow him on Twitter." |
you mean this Jason Whitlock:
7/23/2010 10:43:56 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
His analogy is a bit over the top, but it's true.
NCAA college football makes billions off the backs of Black athletes. There's no denying that. 7/23/2010 10:50:05 AM |
TallyHo All American 11744 Posts user info edit post |
i think reggie bush got paid a whole lot better than kunta kinte
but then again, whitlock is not trying to make sense, he's trying to get people talking about his column 7/23/2010 11:01:47 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
The funny thing is that 99% of the people reading this have no fucking clue who Kunta Kinte is. 7/23/2010 11:04:03 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
God get the fuck out of sports talk 7/23/2010 11:05:35 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
What an insightful post! Tell me more... 7/23/2010 11:11:40 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
you do know the poster child for college football for the past 3 years was a white guy, right? 7/23/2010 11:18:38 AM |
GenghisJohn bonafide 10252 Posts user info edit post |
Jason Whitlock is a fucking dumbfuck who just tries to stir up shit
i remember he was guest hosting on Rome a few years back when Ball St. was undefeated at the time, and he evidently either graduated from there or some shit. anyhow, he was going ON AND ON about how Nate Davis deserved the heisman and how Ball St. should be in the running for the title game and how it was criminal that noone respected Ball State blah blah blah
and then I believe Ball St lost their conference championship game.
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason : he literally took a whole hour on a national show to talk his bullshit] 7/23/2010 11:20:13 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
No I've never heard of Tebow 7/23/2010 11:24:58 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
I don't disagree that the NCAA makes a shit load of money off college athletes, specifically college football.
I don't however think this is a race issue.
I don't know the percentages of players by race, but football has always seemed like one of the sports that has about half black and half white players, give or take.
For every Reggie Bush or Calvin Johnson that the NCAA makes money off of, theres a Tim Tebow and a Colt McCoy
Also who is Kunta Kinte? Are you talking about Tobe? Tiger? Kobe? Tobe?] 7/23/2010 11:33:32 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
Well, I was just referring to the actual Kunte Kinte. 7/23/2010 11:48:17 AM |
ndmetcal All American 9012 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "he's trying to get people talking about his column" |
That's been his MO since I can remember7/23/2010 11:50:13 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
^^the one who was forced to take the slave name of Toby in the book/movie Roots? Did you not get the Toby reference? Do YOU even know who Kunta Kinte was? 7/23/2010 11:52:58 AM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
College athletes get free educations. Only a small portion of athletes ever go professional, so the education (anywhere from 40K - 400k), plus the degree they will take when they go to get a job is more than enough compensation if you ask me. 7/23/2010 12:13:21 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "NCAA college football makes billions off the backs of Black athletes. There's no denying that." |
I think you mean athletes. Not every athlete in the NCAA is black...
Quote : | "College athletes get free educations. Only a small portion of athletes ever go professional, so the education (anywhere from 40K - 400k), plus the degree they will take when they go to get a job is more than enough compensation if you ask me." |
completely agree
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]7/23/2010 12:14:48 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
god called out ITT 7/23/2010 1:49:13 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not calling anyone out
I'm just saying that making a statement like "The NCAA treats black athletes like slaves and profits from them" is just as moronic as it sounds. The majority of NCAA athletes are NOT black and no one treats anyone like a slave. I am so god damn sick of the fucking race card. 7/23/2010 1:55:44 PM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
racist-ass clowns
or
racist ass-clowns?
I like #2. 7/23/2010 2:12:30 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
agreed
thank you #2 7/23/2010 2:30:56 PM |
richthofen All American 15758 Posts user info edit post |
I think most of this column is sensationalist bullshit, but he does make one interesting point. The athletes in revenue sports, when you combine basketball and football, are going to be predominately black at most schools. The athletes in non-revenue sports are, with the exception of perhaps track & field and women's basketball, overwhelmingly white. (Assuming we're not talking about a HBCU or something similar here). So while the whole slaves analogy is a way over the top playing of the race card, it could be said that the funding for many of the white athletes is made on the sweat of the black athlete. I'd never really considered that before. 7/23/2010 2:33:19 PM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
7/23/2010 2:33:22 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So while the whole slaves analogy is a way over the top playing of the race card, it could be said that the funding for many of the white athletes is made on the sweat of the black athlete. I'd never really considered that before." |
you've got to be joking
football is NOT predominantly black. I'll give you basketball but football is only predominantly black at specific positions (RB, WR, FS, CB, SS) while everything else is definitely all over the place with race.
I would love to know the race ratios in NCAA sports. That's really the only way to end this ridiculous dispute. Even then, someone else would find something else to bitch about and then another race card gets played. Its a never fucking ending battle of horseshit.7/23/2010 2:40:01 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "College athletes get free educations. Only a small portion of athletes ever go professional, so the education (anywhere from 40K - 400k), plus the degree they will take when they go to get a job is more than enough compensation if you ask me."" |
I hear this argument all the time.
The value that star players bring in (The Tebows, The Vince Youngs, The Pryors) FAR outweighs the cost and value of any education and boarding they receive. Those guys bring millions to their school's athletic departments, and a degree and a dorm room doesn't even begin to equalize that.7/23/2010 2:44:17 PM |
stillrolling All American 1225 Posts user info edit post |
^ 2 of those guys are already making millions, the other one will. I feel sympathy for the 3-4 years of college they werent making millions. 7/23/2010 2:51:22 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
If you're good at something, why do it for free?
Football is the only profession in this country when you can't get paid for something right out of high school or one year removed
Its really a silly system, but there's no clear solution in sight 7/23/2010 2:55:05 PM |
stillrolling All American 1225 Posts user info edit post |
trying to keep 18 year olds from going to the league and getting slaughtered by Ray Lewis-types. Thats not a fear in any other sport. 7/23/2010 2:57:52 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
What you're talking about is physical maturity and development, and that is a fear in almost every sport.
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM. Reason : x] 7/23/2010 2:58:52 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
its not a silly system at all
99% of high school athletes aren't physically big enough by a mile to play in the NFL let alone college. Two years is absolutely perfect for development. Look at how many people get tossed out of the NFL every season. Allowing people out of high school would be a flat out joke. No one would EVER make it on a roster. 7/23/2010 2:59:16 PM |
richthofen All American 15758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "football is NOT predominantly black. I'll give you basketball but football is only predominantly black at specific positions (RB, WR, FS, CB, SS) while everything else is definitely all over the place with race." |
Correct, football is not. However I'd say it might be in the range of 60/40 white/black (yes there are other races involved too but that's somewhat inconsequential to this argument). When you throw in the average basketball team which is something like 20/80 white/black, your average between the two sports moves, probably tipping over.
But I do admit A) That's a VERY broad generalization and B) I could just plain be wrong.
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM. Reason : d]7/23/2010 3:02:17 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
The biggest issue that Slave would need to come up with a solution for in order for a system that he is advocating to work is a sort of development league. You are right, 99.9% of kids out of high school won't be able to physically match up with NFL players. There will always be genetic freaks that can those are who Slave's argument is focused on. So what happens with those kids who theoretically get drafted and have no business being on a roster? That is the biggest issue.
It's also not an issue unique to football, as stillrolling was saying. Hockey and baseball each of deep developmental leagues so a pitcher, for instance, doesn't go from throwing 85 innings in high school to 200 innings in the majors. Instead he adds about 25 innings each year in the developmental leagues because the maturing body at that age simply can't perform at the major league level.
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM. Reason : V ok, well there are those who advocate that an age-limit should not be allowed] 7/23/2010 3:04:49 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not arguing for high school football players to be allowed to go right to the NFL
They would mostly get crushed, save for freaks like Julio Jones and Jackson Jeffcoat
I'm saying that while they're in college earning millions for their school, they should get a piece of the pie
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM. Reason : x] 7/23/2010 3:05:37 PM |
dalecooter All American 524 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The value that star players bring in (The Tebows, The Vince Youngs, The Pryors) FAR outweighs the cost and value of any education and boarding they receive. Those guys bring millions to their school's athletic departments, and a degree and a dorm room doesn't even begin to equalize that." |
They bring in millions then move on to make millions. In essence their draft status becomes their degree, it's just like us normal students who don't get paid until we get jobs with the education our university supplied to us. The NCAA makes money, the athletes get major publicity which allows them the chance to move on towards the professional ranks.7/23/2010 3:07:14 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
this thread makes my head hurt 7/23/2010 3:13:47 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
The NCAA makes nothing off of you and me. We pay money to get a degree that enables us to get decent jobs afterwards. While we're in school, we're completely anonymous, and provide no value to the university as individuals. Just 30,000 douchebags in the same place at the same time.
While these players are in school, from the moment they step on the field at 18 years old, they are bringing in revenue to the school in the form of ticket sales, apparel, TV rights, etc. They are providing value to the school, and they are being compensated for pennies on the dollar for that value. The fat cat administrators and coaches are reaping the rewards of these kid's labor while they hardly get anything in return. Its really a glorified sweatshop.
I know it prepares them for the NFL, I know they enjoy playing the game...but it doesn't make sense for other people to get rich off of their efforts, while many players are still driving around 93 Neons and eating at Taco Bell. 7/23/2010 3:15:38 PM |
stateredneck All American 2966 Posts user info edit post |
^ if they don't feel like we are helping them then they shouldn't come to school. most of them aren't stars. most of them don't go pro. what they do receive is a degree; something many of them wouldn't get if it wasn't for our university. even arguing this is stupid. the ones who do go to the pro's get better at school through the coaches we hire and pay for. they NEVER give money back to the school and most feel as if they did us a favor for going there. 7/23/2010 3:21:58 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
They did do the school a favor by going there.
120 schools wanted Terrell Pryor. He went to Ohio State. He did them a favor.
Quote : | "even arguing this is stupid." |
Thats the worst thing you can say in any argument. It makes you look like Skip Bayless.7/23/2010 3:24:46 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
Does anyone else find it ironic that Slave Famous is arguing that the NCAA is a glorified sweat shop?
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM. Reason : lol]
and even if it is, which I absolutely do not agree that it is, what does ANY of that have to do with race
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:27 PM. Reason : nothing] 7/23/2010 3:25:14 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Never once did I mention race
and my name precedes me 7/23/2010 3:29:09 PM |
stateredneck All American 2966 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ look i apologize for using the statement. that being said yeah and we gave him 30,000 dollars a year and a future in the NFL. I think its a fair statement that says he wouldn't have done anything if he went straight to the pro's. Hell I am still unconvinced in college. So no, OSU is doing him a favor.
[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : '] 7/23/2010 3:31:50 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
good point 7/23/2010 3:33:38 PM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I would love to know the race ratios in NCAA sports. That's really the only way to end this ridiculous dispute." |
http://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/Content/Research-Reports/Title-IX-and-Race-in-Intercollegiate-Sport.aspx
Quote : | "Male athletes of color in NCAA varsity sports(22.1% of male athletes) were proportionally represented compared to their presence in the student body (22% of male students)." |
However, that's all sports, and includes sports that most Black athletes don't participate in like cross country, golf, wrestling, tennis, etc.
I couldn't find anything for college football, but I did find this interesting stat about the NBA and NFL:
http://articles.sfgate.com/1998-09-20/news/17732001_1_darwin-s-athletes-black-families-black-man
Quote : | "Blacks make up 80 percent of the team rosters in the National Basketball Association and nearly 70 percent in the National Football League." |
If that's the same as college basketball and football then you have your answer, but who knows.7/23/2010 3:34:27 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Jim Tressel and Gene Smith wipe their ass with $30,000. They make that in the first half of their first game of the season.
Its like being in sales and selling $5,000,000 worth of product one year, then getting a commission check for $30,000. It wouldn't exactly make you feel all warm and fuzzy.
And of course its not the same ratio's in college...have you ever seen Creighton vs Wichita State? 7/23/2010 3:37:37 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Also despite what you may believe if you grew up in North Carolina, college football, not basketball, is the NCAA's major cash cow 7/23/2010 3:48:19 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Right, which is why Kansas was in danger of being left in the dust in the proposed conference shift.
People valued Texas Tech football over Kansas basketball.
That should tell you all you need to know. 7/23/2010 3:49:46 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27841 Posts user info edit post |
you're wrong there. football is the big conferences and schools cash cow. the NCAA makes its bank from basketball. remember, the NCAA doesn't have a football tournament. 7/23/2010 4:15:59 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "the NCAA doesn't have a football tournament" |
because if they did, they would have to divvy out the money to every conference in the country, instead of keeping it all in the 6 BCS conferences
more money would be raised if football had a tournament, but the money would go to more hands, and the NCAA big dogs would get less than they're currently getting7/23/2010 4:20:12 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
the NCAA doesn't make shit off of football... the multi-billion TV agreement for the NCAA Basketball Tournament is what gets them the $$$$ 7/23/2010 4:21:49 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Schools and Conferences make money from football
The NCAA makes money from basketball
Separate entities 7/23/2010 4:26:52 PM |
d7freestyler Sup, Brahms 23935 Posts user info edit post |
iop1 7/23/2010 4:27:35 PM |