http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1297083/Gay-priest-sex-scandal-undercover-Berlusconi-reporter-films-clerics-gay-clubs.html

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"A gay priest sex scandal has rocked the Catholic Church in Italy today after a weekly news magazine released details of a shock investigation it had carried out. Using hidden cameras, a journalist from Panorama magazine - owned by Italian Prime Minister and media baron Silvio Berlusconi - filmed three priests as they attended gay nightspots and had casual sex. Today there was no immediate comment from the Italian Bishops Conference and the Vatican - which has been rocked by a series of sex scandals involving paedophile priests since the start of the year. A preview of the Panorama article sent out by email last night added that video footage from the investigation would be made available. The article describes how the reporter was assisted by a gay 'accomplice' as they 'gate-crashed the wild nights of a number of priests in Rome who live a surprising double-life.' In it's preview, Panorama added: 'By day they are regular priests, complete with dog collar, but, at night it's off with the cassock as they take their place as perfectly integrated members of the Italian capital's gay scene.' Panorama described its investigation as 'deeply disturbing' as it detailed how three priests - two Italians and a Frenchman - happily took part in gay events and had casual sex. The Catholic Church forbids priests to have sex and homosexuality is also seen as a 'sin' . In 2008 the Vatican issued guidelines which said that any would be trainees should not join if they had 'deep-seated homosexual tendencies'. In one part of the investigation Panorama said that one priest, named as Carlo, willingly put on his cassock to have sex with the reporter's gay accomplice, adding 'all of which was filmed by the hidden camera'. The magazine also described how they had attended a Mass which was celebrated by Carlo. In its preview Panorama insisted that it had carried out through checks and established that all three priests were bona fide but would not reveal their real names or any other details. Panorama editor Giorgio Mule said: 'This was a two week investigation and was not aimed at creating a scandal but showing that a certain section of the clergy behaves very differently.' "

Oh ye sons of Belial.

7/23/2010 1:42:07 PM

wait

people like to have sex?

and some of them are gay!?!?

AND SOME OF THEM LIVE IN ROME!!!?

I'M OUTRAGED

7/23/2010 1:43:31 PM

7/23/2010 1:43:39 PM

when in rome...

7/23/2010 1:44:10 PM

those guys deserve medals of honor compared to american priests

I mean, at least they aren't fucking kids

7/23/2010 1:44:53 PM

^^

7/23/2010 1:47:00 PM

Time for me to get flamed:

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"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 1Timothy 4:1-4"

Just saying...

7/23/2010 1:47:24 PM

wait

you're saying that a passage in the bible can be construed as anti-catholic?

next you'll be telling me there's some stuff in there that can be construed as anti-jew

stop joshin' me, man

i'm tryin' to learn thangs

7/23/2010 1:50:04 PM

So the investigators got to watch some free live gay child porn without subscribing to the church?

7/23/2010 1:50:32 PM

How is that construed? It seems clearly stated to me. And go ahead and google those anti-jew passages and lets see em.

7/23/2010 1:55:32 PM

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"It seems clearly stated to me."

Precisely my point.

7/23/2010 1:57:01 PM

At least it wasn't little kids this time...

7/23/2010 1:57:25 PM

Am I getting trolled?

I took passages out of the Bible I didn't rewrite First Timothy.

Interpret as you see fit.

But it says

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"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."

Why would a Church, that ascribes to The Bible as the word of God, choose to practice a ritual which labels them as apostates?

7/23/2010 2:00:55 PM

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"wait people like to have sex? and some of them are gay!?!? AND SOME OF THEM LIVE IN ROME!!!? I'M OUTRAGED"

Made me think of

7/23/2010 2:01:17 PM

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"I took passages out of the Bible I didn't rewrite First Timothy. Interpret as you see fit."

I never accused you of the former. You are doing the latter.

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"Why would a Church, that ascribes to The Bible as the word of God, choose to practice a ritual which labels them as apostates?"

For the same reason that any person who ascribes to The Bible as the word of God chooses to follow only certain sections of it.

7/23/2010 2:05:38 PM

I know of many people (including myself) who believe the whole thing is the written word of God, believe it or not.

7/23/2010 2:11:02 PM

the point he's trying to make is you can make anything in the bible make sense to whatever beliefs you subscribe to

plenty of people will look at that same passage and take away something completely different

TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE THE BIBLE TO ME


also, this made me lol

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"detailed how three priests - two Italians and a Frenchman - happily took part in gay events and had casual sex."

lol euro stereotypes

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2010 2:14:20 PM

Ok what do ya'll take from that passage?

7/23/2010 2:15:43 PM

personally i take that it's a bunch of nonsense that was written with good intentions and perverted by countless power hungry selfish pricks throughout history


but that's neither here nor there, as this could quickly turn into bullshit pedantic insults that would rival The Soap Box

7/23/2010 2:17:15 PM

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"I know of many people (including myself) who believe the whole thing is the written word of God, believe it or not."

That's fine. That doesn't change the fact that a piece of literature is open to interpretation.

For instance, Luke says that the sermon on the mount wasn't on the mount at all. Is he right?

7/23/2010 2:18:51 PM

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"Ok what do ya'll take from that passage?"

7/23/2010 2:20:36 PM

^ "Hey, kids, don't join a cult that tells you what you can and can't do."

7/23/2010 2:21:33 PM

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"personally i take that it's a bunch of nonsense"

7/23/2010 2:21:47 PM

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"Time for me to get flamed"

7/23/2010 2:23:06 PM

no dude noone is flaming you


i have no problem with whatever anyone believes in. like i said, I think the bible was written with good intentions as a set of stories to teach us how to function in society. kudos for you if that helps you in life, or if you believe in Heaven or anything that helps you get through the day.

7/23/2010 2:25:31 PM

^ Hey look, a reasonable interpretation.

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"I know of many people (including myself) who believe the whole thing is the written word of God, believe it or not."

awesome

make sure you don't eat any shellfish, wear mixed fabrics or trim your beard

else you might piss him off

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2010 2:26:14 PM

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"to teach us how to function in society"

Incorrect. To believers this is not the point.

And I know your not flaming.

7/23/2010 2:26:56 PM

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"For instance, Luke says that the sermon on the mount wasn't on the mount at all. Is he right?"

This got skipped over in the edit, but the point is that there is debate on whether Luke and Matthew are describing the same event and just have different definitions of being on or off the mountainside, or whether Jesus gave the same sermon in multiple places.

You can believe that it's all the word of God, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to interpret what's on the page.

7/23/2010 2:28:30 PM

Ok, if your going to argue this give me both the example passages from Darby Vers and KJV plz.

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 2:30:04 PM

it's matthew 5:1 and luke 6:17

i'm sure you have some wonderful macro that will line them up for you in various versions

7/23/2010 2:32:31 PM

http://bible.cc/matthew/5-1.htm

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"And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;"

Luke 6:17

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"And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:"

Matthew 5:1



Root Word (Etymology)

Probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear", perhaps akin to a???.

Translation-mountain , mount , hill

Hence sermon on the mount.

According to the concordance, since the Bible was not originally written in English, this mountain could have just been a small hill so that Jesus could elevate himself and speak to the crowd.

Luke says nothing to the contrary, obviously when the people are getting healed he's going to be amongst them. It's rather arbitrary to argue this point anyone since it is shallow compared to the rest of the Bible.

Plz next time that you Google "Discrepancies in the Bible." Pick out when that at least tries to argue something other than geography. How about the genocide ones from the OT. I hear those ones all the time.

[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ]

7/23/2010 2:52:41 PM

Luke says nothing to the contrary?

"And he came down with them, and stood in the plain."

A plain is certainly not a mountain.

I used this example specifically because there's nothing doctrinal about it. It's simply a discrepancy that needs to be worked around in one way or another.

7/23/2010 2:57:24 PM

Im not Catholic so I could care less that these priests are having sex but Im Glad they are engaging in sex with ADULTS and not kids!!!

Let them carry on with their business, WHO CARES!!!! They are consenting adults, carry on!

7/23/2010 3:04:16 PM

Was my description not good enough? Being on a plain does not mean that one must be standing on ground level with everyone else. Just as being on a mountain could have meant a small hill or elevation. Or should I retrieve the Greek derivation. Come let us argue further this mundane point.

7/23/2010 3:06:38 PM

You just interpreted what is written...which is my entire point.

If it takes interpretation just to infer that the Sermon on the Plain and the Sermon on the Mount are the same event, think about how much can be interpreted in terms of a passage like the one you referenced in your first post.

7/23/2010 3:10:29 PM

I provided an explanation to your question. Stop trolling with the "interpretation" B.S. Did you know that everything ever said or done is open to interpretation. Oh wait but this means that no second hand facts can ever be established because of interpretation. Are you a solipsist vinylbandit?

7/23/2010 3:14:08 PM

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"m not Catholic so I could care less that these priests are having sex but Im Glad they are engaging in sex with ADULTS and not kids!!! Let them carry on with their business, WHO CARES!!!! They are consenting adults, carry on!"

I'm not a Catholic either but the reason I care is that when people think of Catholics they think of Christianity, both do not always coincide.

7/23/2010 3:15:28 PM

And some people think of Fred Phelps when they think of Christianity.

Seems like this is just a thread for hatin' on Catholics.

7/23/2010 3:17:10 PM

Like half my friends are Catholic, I'm not hating on Catholics in general. But I have problems with the Hierarchical Catholic Church because of what the teach and represent.

7/23/2010 3:21:52 PM

get this soap box shit out of here

7/23/2010 3:24:11 PM

/thread

It is done.

7/23/2010 3:27:21 PM

and then i read the good book

and then i read one better

7/23/2010 3:27:23 PM

IS THAT MAGNETO?!?!?!

MAGNETO IS GAY?!?!?!

MAGNETO USES METAL DILDOS TO PLEASURE MULTIPLE PRIESTS AT ONE TIME...WTF?!?!?!

IN OTHER NEWS THIS THREAD REMINDED ME OF THIS



[Edited on July 23, 2010 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2010 4:04:55 PM

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html?xid=rss-world

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"The latest sex-abuse case to rock the Catholic Church is unfolding in the archdiocese of an influential Italian Cardinal who has been working with Pope Benedict XVI on reforms to respond to prior scandals of pedophile priests. Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-year-old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested last Friday, May 13, on pedophilia and drug charges. Investigators say that in tapped mobile-phone conversations, Seppia asked a Moroccan drug dealer to arrange sexual encounters with young and vulnerable boys. "I do not want 16-year-old boys but younger. Fourteen-year-olds are O.K. Look for needy boys who have family issues," he allegedly said. Genoa Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco, who is the head of the Italian Bishops Conference, had been working with Benedict to establish a tough new worldwide policy, released this week, on how bishops should handle accusations of priestly sex abuse. (Read "Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse but Not Tough Enough.) Bagnasco said that when he met the Pope this weekend, he "asked for a particular blessing for my archdiocese" in light of the alleged crimes, adding that "like every father toward a son [feels] great pain in seeing a priest who is not faithful to his vocation." Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi praised Bagnasco's handling of the Sastri Ponente case, lauding its "timeliness and competence." On Saturday, May 14, the Cardinal visited the Santo Spirito church, where Seppia was the parish priest. According to investigators, Seppia told a friend — a former seminarian and barman who is currently under investigation — that the town's malls were the best places to entice minors. In tapped phone conversations the two cursed and swore against God. The priest is charged with having attempted to kiss and touch an underage altar boy and of having exchanged cocaine for sexual intercourse with boys over 18. (See inside Benedict XVI's daily life.) Seppia's defense lawyers are expected to argue that those conversations — monitored since Oct. 20, 2010 — were just words, sex games that were played by adults. It was just a game even when he claimed to have "kissed on the mouth" a 15-year-old altar boy, according to the defense. On Monday, May 16, during formal questioning by Genoa's investigating magistrate Annalisa Giacalone, Seppia chose not to respond. The magistrate decided to keep him in custody to avoid a risk of relapse or tampering with evidence. Defense attorney Paolo Bonanni said the defense wants to evaluate all the charges, reserving the right to respond to public prosecutor Stefano Puppo in the coming days. Questioned by the investigators, the altar boy reportedly confirmed the attempted kiss. Another male minor who, according to the investigators, was stalked with messages and pressing invitations, will be questioned soon. Psychologists are helping Carabinieri police officers obtain testimony from the alleged victims. "The boys are ashamed to talk and to admit what happened," says one of the investigators. The evidence amounts to at least 50 messages and phone calls. In the tapped phone conversations, the drug dealer contacted the boys and gave their phone numbers to the priest, who paid them with cocaine or 50 euros each time for sexual intercourse. (Read "Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions.") "[The investigators] made us listen to that man saying terrifying things about our children. Things so terrible that I cannot repeat them," a father of one of the boys said. Investigators are also examining three confiscated computers: the priest allegedly looked for partners via chat as well. Seppia is currently being kept in a confinement cell in a Genoa prison. He met the jail's priest and psychologist. "He has read the newspapers, and he is pained by his parishioners' comments," says his lawyer. The investigation is ongoing. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html#ixzz1NTcmAPK8"

wat

[Edited on May 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2011 12:35:19 PM

hey at least they were having sex with consenting adults! that's a step in the right direction

5/26/2011 1:01:56 PM

ya, the fact that he was having sex with a dude instead of a chick really isnt that big of an issue, its just the whole sex thing in general

5/26/2011 1:03:32 PM

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"having exchanged cocaine for sexual intercourse with boys over 18."

is cocaine legal over there?

5/26/2011 1:08:31 PM

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"SECOND HAND FACTS"

http://www.lib.umd.edu/guides/primary-sources.html#secondary

5/26/2011 1:32:43 PM

Don't you hate it when old threads get bumped and no one bothers to read the new content

5/26/2011 4:28:44 PM

some of the worst human beings alive.

5/26/2011 5:49:43 PM