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I posted this briefly in the Digital SLR thread but i feel that it's going to get lost in there. To preface, i haven't owned a digital camera in almost 7 years. So i don't really know where the technology is these days. I'm going on a trip to Ireland at the end of the month and would like to get a nice point and shoot digital camera for the trip.

I'll set my budget to $300 or less.

Basically my check list is this

-Quality
-Quick and responsive shooting
-High resolution with decent optical zoom
-Rechargeable battery
-Good screen size


any help would be more than appreciated.

8/4/2010 12:07:36 PM

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i highly recommend any of the Canon Power Shot Digital ELPH point and shoot camera's. When i was in the search for a P&S I did tons of research and these had the best reviews. Depending on the features you want you can pick one up any where from $180 - $350, maybe even cheaper if you do some searching on the internet.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/digital_cameras

8/4/2010 12:49:51 PM

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obligatory: http://www.dpreview.com/

i have the fujifilm F200EXR and it is, hands down, one of the best point-and-shoots i have ever used...i don't know that the EXR technology is all that they claim, but the sensor size (1/1.6") alone makes for better pictures than any of the others i've seen (i've actually compared it to the G10, with a 1/1.7" sensor, in person, and i think its pictures are every bit as good as, if not better than, the G11's, for much less money and a smaller size)

based on experience, i would VERY highly recommend checking out the newest EXR, the F300EXR...it's a pocket-size with a 1/2" sensor (which is freakin' massive for a P&S) and 15x optical zoom: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10072109fujifilmf300exr.asp



street price on the F300EXR is $330, though it hasn't technically been released, yet

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 1:14 PM. Reason : pic]

8/4/2010 1:05:51 PM

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obligatory message_section.aspx?section=3

i have a consumer reports acct and can get you their recommendation if you're interested.

8/4/2010 1:08:18 PM

Jeepin4x4
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^^what is this "sensor" in which you speak? i'm unfamiliar. Is it common on most cameras?

8/4/2010 1:30:40 PM

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This is mine:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp?section=stylustough

I didn't pay nearly as much for it as they claim it costs on the website.

I love it to bits. Almost more than my fiance

8/4/2010 1:49:46 PM

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^^ the sensor is what captures your picture

DSLRs have large sensors (23.6mm x 15.8mm on the nikon D90) while P&S cameras generally have small sensors (6.16mm x 4.62mm on most of canon's powershot line)

this is why the number of megapixels is generally a pointless measurement of a camera's image quality...if a 6mp camera has the same sensor size as a 12mp camera, the captured information isn't REALLY much different (theoretically, you could blow up the 6mp to 12mp size and it would look the same)...the only real thing that a larger mp count tells you is that the camera is newer and likely has improved in-camera processing of the captured information...that means more than the mp count

so larger sensors capture more information...12mp on a 1/2" sensor has more usable information than 12mp on a 1/2.3" sensor...does that make sense?

now, all that said, in-camera processing DOES make a difference...you could get a no-name 12mp camera and compare it with a 12mp canon and even if both have the same sensor size, the picture generated by the canon will likely look much better because their processors are better

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2010 2:03:28 PM

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If you don't mind a larger camera (ie won't fit easily in a pocket) the Canon SX20 IS could be a good bet for you. It's a bit outside of your budget (369 at Amazon) but a great feature set--20x optical/wide angle, image stabilized, 10 megapixel, a good assortment of manual controls if you want to take a little more control over your photos, and canon quality. If you don't want to spend that much, you might be able to find a lightly used example of it or one of its predecessor models (SX10 IS, S5 IS) that would work nicely for you. My primary camera is an older model of this series, the S3 IS, and I've been nothing but happy with it.

For something more pocketable, you can't go wrong with the powershot SD series from canon--something like the SD980 might do the trick for you. These are generally well-built, full-featured, and take great photos. I've also heard really good things about the Panasonic TZ series, which manage to put a large optical zoom lens into a compact body, and apparently do it far better than their Canon equivalent (the SX110/120).

One feature that you might miss but I've found to be tremendously useful is having wide-angle zoom (24 or 28mm at the wide end). It may not sound like much, and occasionally you can get some distortion in the corners, but it really changes the range of the camera and can make a big difference in what you can get in frame at a given position. Something to look for.

8/4/2010 2:09:17 PM

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my advice is to look at a few things:

1.) sensor size: larger is better...if it comes down to fewer megapixels on a larger sensor, definitely go for the larger sensor...fuji has more cameras with larger sensors and the F300EXR is the largest available, by far

2.) image stabilization: canon used to have the best, hands down, but it's been a few years and i'd say panasonic and canon are neck-and-neck

3.) optics: quality glass doesn't really seem to make much difference in the "normal" range, but at the low end (macro) and high end (telephoto) of the zoom range, optics matter...i have always preferred leica optics found in panasonics, but i have very little experience with any of the other brands recently to measure them...i'd say that the optics in most of the big brands are fine (but if you were choosing between a fuji and a panny that were exactly the same in all other ways, i'd go with the panny)

4.) optical zoom: digital zoom is useless, so you might as well pretend it doesn't exist...a higher "x" rating, the better (obviously), but it's based on the lowest number...for example, if the camera has 28mm on the low, 5x would make it 140mm on the high...a camera with 35mm on the low and 140mm on the high would only be 4x...i would definitely look at a 28mm or better wide-angle lens

8/4/2010 2:13:23 PM

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"i highly recommend any of the Canon Power Shot Digital ELPH point and shoot camera's."


I have a canon point and shoot (cant remember the model # at the moment) but it takes great pictures and is easy enough for my mom to use. I take it whenever I dont feel like carrying the dSLR and I have no complaints.

8/4/2010 2:33:04 PM

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http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

8/4/2010 3:16:16 PM

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^ i love ken rockwell and i usually take his word as scripture when it comes to DSLR, but i don't get his recommendations regarding P&S cameras...the best thing he has to say for the "best of the best" is:

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"The Canon S90 IS is the best compact digital camera ever made because it has direct-control dials which let you adjust it for perfect photos every time. These dials are much easier and faster than the menus of other cameras. See my page about it for details."

that's dumb...what do the S90's controls:



have over, say, my F200EXR?



the only difference is that the S90's control dial is on the top and mine's on the back...i've never thought to myself "boy, i wish this dial were somewhere else!" so if that's the best he's got, i'd take his advice with a grain of salt

*shrug*

8/4/2010 3:44:50 PM

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In talking about brands i see Fuji, Canon and Panasonic as well as a Sony having been mentioned. Are there any "top brands" like for instance Kodak or Nikon that I should avoid?

8/4/2010 3:52:26 PM

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^^Yeah but the S90 has a programmable control ring on the front of the camera as well

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM. Reason : <>]

8/4/2010 3:53:34 PM

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^ OH



there it is...zomg, can you program it to control focus? i've yet to find a compact P&S that does manual focus with a physical ring (for obvious reasons)...since this one is programmable, i would assume that it doesn't, but if it does...

^^ of those brands listed, i'd say kodak is the bottom in terms of quality and features, but it's been a few years...sonys are nice, but overpriced, IMO (though i love that my fiancée's has an actual viewfinder)

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2010 3:59:19 PM

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EhSteve, do you have any experience with that S90? Would you consider it almost too complicated for basic point and shoot? It looks very nice and full of options, but i'm not too keen on photography, exposure, lighting and stuff like that so i'm curious if it's more than I really need.


another option i think i would enjoy is the ability to shoot video. nothing of extended length, but it would be nice to have in case something pops up where video is needed.

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM. Reason : add]

8/4/2010 4:03:24 PM

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Yes, it will do manual focus as well as ISO, Exposure Compensation, White Balance, and a step-zoom.

It's pretty hot stuff.

Only thing that might be a question is the zoom is only 3.8x - so what, move closer or walk farther away.

$350 all day on Amazon.

I used the S90 for a few days a while ago - I like how compact it is and it takes amazing pictures. Auto mode works fine if you want it to just work. If you see yourself wanting to learn all of the manual features one day I say go for it. Overall I prefer my SX120 for the long zoom but the S90 has so many advantages (pocketable, more control, faster lens) that for the price it's hard to complain.

[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM. Reason : more]

8/4/2010 4:04:35 PM

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/engadgets-back-to-school-guide-digital-cameras/

Some good stuff in there.

S90 doesn't do HD video right?

8/4/2010 4:27:03 PM

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No HD video on the S90. 640x480 is the highest it will go.

8/4/2010 4:28:04 PM

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This thread has a lot of potential to turn into a good thread!

8/4/2010 4:32:11 PM

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Wow--hadn't noticed that S90 but I'm *very* intrigued! I have an S70 as my "pocket" camera (though it's quite a bit bigger than most of the SD powershots) and I thought the S line had been killed off after the S80 in 2005. And a (quasi) manual focus ring...oh dear. I'm going to want that one.

8/4/2010 4:41:15 PM

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How is the battery life on most of these. We'll be driving around Ireland and mainly crashing at hostels over night so i'd like to be able to rely on the battery for a full day.

8/4/2010 4:42:38 PM

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It depends on how much you shoot and how often you use the flash. Most of the Canon's these days use li-ion batteries that an average shooter would have trouble exhausting in a single day unless they were going crazy with the flash. The nice thing is that the charger that comes in the package is dual-voltage so you can just get the plug adapter for whatever country you're in and you don't have to worry about frying anything when you plug in.

8/4/2010 5:07:32 PM

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what are some user thoughts on this for example?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Nikon+-+Coolpix+S8000+14.2-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9758674.p?id=1218168158858&skuId=9758674

quagmire02, the sensor is 1/2.3" with focal length of 35mm equivalent 30-300mm

8/4/2010 5:14:20 PM

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Battery life on my SD750 is great. During heavy usage I can go a week with out re-charging. Also, one other thing I meant to mention about the Canon...it has a super fast start up time. this is important to me because there are lots of times when you only have a split sec to turn on the camera and snap a pic. all other cameras i have used take longer to start up.

8/4/2010 5:15:17 PM

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^that's one thing i really want is quick start up time, and also quick point-focus-shoot time. I've used too many friends' cameras that take entirely too long to focus process and take the picture. I realize the latter a lot of times has to do with settings and lighting too.

8/4/2010 5:19:42 PM

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The Canon PowerShot ELPH is the fastest for both start-up and focus/shoot I've come across and I've owned Nikon and Kodak point and shoots but that was a while ago. Since I bought my first ELPH I haven't switched to anything else..

8/5/2010 9:17:22 AM

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quagmire02, any idea when the F300 EXR is officially released? i can't seem to find any solid date anywhere

8/5/2010 9:25:26 AM

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"a (quasi) manual focus ring...oh dear. I'm going to want that one."

yeah...that is one of the most attractive thing about the camera, followed by the faster (f/2) lens

i have to say, though, i don't understand optical zooms of less than 5x...part of me wonders if they don't want to take too much business away from the G11 by offering too much in the way of features...it's got the sensor, the ring, and the fast lens...throw in some HD video (i mean, why not) and some decent zoom (moving closer isn't always an option, yo) and you have a camera i'd buy immediately

i am curious as to how well it works, though...in the end, it's electronic rather than mechanical, and i've never used an electronic manual focus that was anything but frustrating...without having felt this camera at all, i'm betting the ring is spring-loaded rather than continual (though i could be wrong, i haven't really looked into it) and that would annoy me to no end

i still doubt mr. rockwell's opinion, though, since he says this:

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"I'm saying "full sized sensor" here to light up the fact that the S90 and G11 have the biggest sensors of any compact cameras I've seen."

when a simple google search would have shown him that fuji's are bigger (not even including the new F300EXR)...though maybe he's not wrong...he's never "seen" them

i gotta say, though, that f/2 lens is starting to gnaw at me...the F300EXR only has the usual f/3.5 (though it does 24mm instead of 28mm)

now i kinda want to play with an S90

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"How is the battery life on most of these. We'll be driving around Ireland and mainly crashing at hostels over night so i'd like to be able to rely on the battery for a full day."


as noted, it really depends on how much you use it and, more specifically, how often you use the flash...the past couple of P&S cameras i've owned came with li-ion batteries that would last a full day of picture-taking (and i take A LOT of pictures), though i usually go through 2-3 batteries over a weekend of backpacking

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"what are some user thoughts on this for example?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Nikon+-+Coolpix+S8000+14.2-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9758674.p?id=1218168158858&skuId=9758674

quagmire02, the sensor is 1/2.3" with focal length of 35mm equivalent 30-300mm"


personally, it's nothing special...that size sensor is about standard for lower-end cameras

not quite as bad as the sensor size (in my mind), but still important is that it's only 30mm...personally, i won't ever buy one that isn't 28mm or better (with 24mm being a big bonus)...i like having wide angle options

i mean, the thing about all of these opinions is that they're just that - opinions...many people are perfectly happy with their small-sensor, non-wide-angle cameras and couldn't care less about the things that bother ME...especially when you figure cost into it...if you stick with a name brand, your pictures will probably be just fine (though i believe that canon offers the best bang-for-buck options in the mid-to-low price ranges)

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"that's one thing i really want is quick start up time, and also quick point-focus-shoot time. I've used too many friends' cameras that take entirely too long to focus process and take the picture. I realize the latter a lot of times has to do with settings and lighting too."

my fuji starts up just fine, but if i have it in EXR mode (which, admittedly, outputs better pictures than regular auto), it takes too long to focus and change settings, so i can't use it for zomgquick! pictures

i think focus times are more of an issue than startup times with newer cameras...though fuji claims the F300EXR is "as fast as DSLRs" in terms of AF, due to its hybrid system that uses contrast-detection (what almost all P&S cameras use) and phase-detections (what almost all DSLRs use)...the S90 might be just as good or better, but i only just read something on the fuji

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"quagmire02, any idea when the F300 EXR is officially released? i can't seem to find any solid date anywhere"

good question...it's been available on amazon since july 20 for preorder, and i'm 99% sure they can't put something up for preorder more than 30 days before release...i'm betting it'll be released before august 20th

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/5/2010 9:39:40 AM

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Firstly, you have to go to the stre where digital cameras are sold, or find a reputable online medium that sells digital cameras. Then once you figure a price range you would like you find cameras that agree with that price.

From there you have options, you can start by checking out the appearance, making sure that the style and configuration of controls is a fit for you. Afterwards you can check out the specifications for the camera based on how you anticipate using it.

Once you have selected the camera of your choice you will need to arrange payment so that it can become free to use as your own personal property.

8/5/2010 11:54:54 AM

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^i feel like i've tried that before




^^Reading some cnet reviews regarding the S90, it sounds like it's a great camera for photo enthusiasts but it's a pretty slow camera in terms of quick point and shoot, so it may not be the one for me.

I'm interested in the F300 EXR, but this youtube comment make me question it somewhat

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chances are the sensor is POOR - no comparison to the F200exr - Fuji gave? up on low noise sensors for now... guess it's either Samsung, Canon or Pany for now.

lens is SLOOOW - 3.5 ? are you KIDDING ME ???

totally pisses? me off..... keeping me F200 ... wish I had 24mm on that
"

8/5/2010 8:48:54 PM

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^ as for the S90, my suggestion would be to read some of the opinions presented by dpreview S90 owners, as well as the in-depth review by their editors...my opinion is that cnet is comprised of a bunch of tech-aware folks without any of them being particularly tech-savvy in any particular subject...i'd take their reviews with a grain of salt (though they may be spot on, i just don't find them particularly insightful overall)

in-depth: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons90/
owners: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=canon_s90

as for the F300EXR, you should get the same or better performance (in terms of low light) as the F80EXR, since they use the same sensor...obviously, the only valid way of comparing any two cameras fairly is to take pictures of a consistent subject with the same settings on both cameras and comparing those images...since you can't do that (especially since the F300EXR isn't out, yet), you can check out this thread on dpreview...it looks to have some decent info

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=35969692

you're looking at some pretty high-end P&S cameras...there are nicer ones that are more expensive, but the vast majority of the P&S offerings are far below the cameras you're considering...if you think you could get by with a "decent" camera and would rather save some cash, i think something like the panny DMC-FH3 ($140 with free shipping at B&H, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/672376-REG/) would work out well (relatively fast at f/2.8 on the low end, 720p video recording, good image stabilization, ISO80 where many P&S cameras only do ISO100)

the canons mentioned on rockwell's page would probably serve you just as well, but i think you'll pay a $60-70 premium for the same performance as the panny mentioned above (again, my personal opinion)...canons are great and you can't go wrong with most of them, but i'm a panasonic guy due to what i consider better glass (which only really matters at macro and tele ranges) and equally good image stabilization...you simply get more bang for your buck

it's hard to pick the "perfect" camera because i've yet to find one that offers everything i want (even reasonably!) for a good price (around $300)...that's why i have both a decent P&S and a DSLR

[Edited on August 6, 2010 at 8:30 AM. Reason : .]

8/6/2010 8:24:45 AM

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S95, SX130, SD4500 announced for late August/early September:

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e024801de586

All with HD video.

8/20/2010 3:51:40 PM

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this thread is relevant to my interests.

8/20/2010 5:14:21 PM

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Can anyone comment on the Canon powershot SX210 IS???

8/25/2010 7:18:04 PM

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"^ i love ken rockwell and i usually take his word as scripture when it comes to DSLR, but i don't get his recommendations regarding P&S cameras..."


I just bought my fiancee a DSLR and from researching what to get here, I came across a bunch of photography message boards, and the general consensus on there is that Ken Rockwell is a blundering idiot. I don't know if it's true or not, but most were basically saying he's built a reputation among photographers is that he has no idea what he's talking about and only is relevant to people who know nothing about cameras.

They basically say he's an idiot who gives a bunch of incredibly incorrect information...

(Again, I don't know enough about it, I just know that he's not very respected among the majority of those in the photography business)

8/25/2010 7:25:52 PM

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some good stuff:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/best-cameras-under-300/

8/25/2010 7:43:14 PM

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here are the specs of the Canon SX210IS

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/digital_cameras/powershot_sx210_is#Specifications


it still only has a 1/2.3 sensor but everything else seems great. thoughts?

only thing i haven't noticed any info about is panoramic options.

8/26/2010 9:32:28 AM

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^ jeebus, 14x optical on a pocket cam

i think it's a solid camera and you'll be happy with it...it's much better than "decent," though not quite "spectacular" (my personal opinion only...i don't know that there's actually a "spectacular" pocket cam by my definition )

i feel like i should probably clarifying my position on sensor size...when it comes down to it, the basic rule of thumb is: bigger is better

but it's as much (if not more) the image processor in combination with the sensor that determines the quality of the image you get...for example, this camera has the latest image processor (DIGIC 4), which was introduced almost exactly 2 years ago..if you check out the SX line here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_SX

you'll see that the 1/2.3" CCD sensor coupled with the DIGIC 4 processor ranges from 9MP (SX110 IS) to 14MP (SX210 IS)...for all intents and purposes, they're the same camera in terms of image quality, despite the fact that the newer version has nearly 60% more MP

this really isn't specific to your question about the SX210 IS, but this came up recently and so i thought i'd clarify since someone asked about why more MP != better

8/26/2010 10:04:51 AM

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It fits your criteria and you will probably really enjoy the long telephoto for traveling.

don't stress about it too much - just enjoy the trip.

8/26/2010 11:08:56 AM

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$31,300

VW Group design chief Walter de'Silva reskins the Leica M9

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"Walter de'Silva has worked his magic on countless Alfa Romeos, Seats, Audis and now, as head of design for the entire Volkswagen Group, is responsible for styling even more brands and their products than just about anyone in the industry. But he can now add one more to his resume: a Leica camera.

The iconic German optics company brought de'Silva in to give its compact M9 camera a bit of a make-over. Rising to the task, de'Silva refitted the camera in titanium, gave its screen a scratch-resistant sapphire crystal, trimmed it in Nappa leather, a diamond-texture surface and even reworked Leica's famous logo, centering it above the lens like a hood ornament. A gun-holster-like shoulder harness completes the package as de'Silva follows in the footsteps of fellow car designer Giorgetto Giugiaro, who designed for Canon and whose ItalDesign studio de'Silva's employers recently acquired.

Only 500 examples of the limited-edition, de'Silva-designed Leica M9 Titanium will be produced, fetching a suitably car-like $31,300 apiece."


So normally this is a $7,000 camera. Now 4+ times more!











10/7/2010 9:32:33 PM

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That's pretty hot.

10/7/2010 10:31:05 PM

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hey look, a yuppie camera for people who drive yuppie cars.

10/9/2010 12:49:52 AM

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young urban professionals don't buy $30,000 cameras.

if you buy a $30,000 camera, you are rich beyond most anybody. this is for serious collectors and serious photographers. even the normal one is $7,000.

yeah, not for 'yuppies'.

10/9/2010 6:22:58 AM

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"this is for serious collectors and serious photographers."

no "real" photographer would buy and use it, sorry

10/9/2010 8:41:57 AM

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I'd like a point and shoot--doesn't necessarily have to be super-small (I have my iPhone if I want a pocket-sized digital camera). I don't want anything enormous, but good photo quality is the priority.

I'd like a significant amount of zoom available, good ISo capability for low light levels, the ability to rapidly shoot multiple frames for action shots, good image stabilization, and preferably HD video, although I suppose that isn't a must.

Also, I want it to be something that has a waterproof case available (like, a serious case, the kind I can take SCUBA diving down to 100' or something)


Photography isn't really my hobby or anything...I don't need a top shelf camera. $300 would be sweet, but I neither feel compelled to spend that much if something decent is available for less, nor am I constrained to not spend more if I need to in order to get what I want.

Any suggestions?

10/19/2010 5:52:31 PM

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^ IIRC, canon has the largest selection of hard (waterproof/shockproof) made-for-camera cases available...but you'll drop ~$250 on the case alone, but they'll let you go down to ~40m

if waterproof is a requirement and you don't think you'll use it that far down, i'd suggest the olympus stylus tough 8010, which will give you 5x optical zoom (my personal minimum), 720p HD video, decent wide angle at 28mm, and ~10m underwater protection for less than $300

you can get a better camera for that same $300, though...just not one that's waterproof...i don't think you'll find too many other cameras in the $300 range that will go deeper than the 8010


[Edited on October 20, 2010 at 8:18 AM. Reason : reading comprehension FTL]

10/20/2010 8:16:25 AM

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yeah, the problem with waterproof cameras is that all the ones i've seen are only good for pretty shallow depths...10, 20, 30'. Maybe a little more, but nowhere near the 130' depth I can go to as a recreational SCUBA diver. I mean, if it was good to 100', that would be OK, but being limited to 20-30' really restricts what you're going to be using it for underwater.

Like you said, you can get a lot more camera for the money if you don't need it to be waterproof, so I'd rather just get the camera suited for how I'll use it 99% of the time, and then get a good case for it so I can take it diving once in a blue moon.


So, any particular model Canons (or others, if they make cases for them) that you recommend for my purposes?

10/20/2010 11:14:20 AM

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I just bought my fiancee a DSLR and from researching what to get here, I came across a bunch of photography message boards, and the general consensus on there is that Ken Rockwell is a blundering idiot. I don't know if it's true or not, but most were basically saying he's built a reputation among photographers is that he has no idea what he's talking about and only is relevant to people who know nothing about cameras.

They basically say he's an idiot who gives a bunch of incredibly incorrect information...

(Again, I don't know enough about it, I just know that he's not very respected among the majority of those in the photography business)
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yep. he aims his discussion to the lowest common denominator. he says outrageous things just to get hits on his site. Pros laugh at his comments and suggestions.

10/20/2010 3:58:08 PM

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Looking at the Best Buy website, I'm kinda narrowing it down to these (without yet checking to see what waterproof cases are out there, which could be a deciding factor):

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Nikon+-+Coolpix+12.1-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9758692.p?skuId=9758692&id=1218168160003

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+12.1-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9767132.p?skuId=9767132&id=1218170033004

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Olympus+-+Factory-Refurbished+14.0-Megapixel+Digital+Camera/1233313.p?skuId=1233313&id=1218239489468

Here's the link to the comparison between the 3...don't know if this will work: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13504&type=page&pageIdentity=searchDriven&useProductString=true&productString=1218168160003*1218170033004*1218239489468&unProductString=1218237709263*1218171772665*1218012834817*1218082646903&catId=




http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Nikon+-+Coolpix+S8100+12.1-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/1222844.p?skuId=1222844&id=1218237710867

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Kodak+-+EasyShare+14.0-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9789852.p?skuId=9789852&id=1218175318615

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Olympus+-+14.0-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Titanium/9790493.p?skuId=9790493&id=1218175867075


Those are a few of the ones that caught my eye at a slightly higher price point. Let me know what you think. I'm cool with spending $200, and I'm cool with spending $500, as long as I get what I want and it's a good value...I don't want to waste money and buy more than I'll use, though.

10/20/2010 7:07:19 PM

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