aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.whosampled.com/
Neat site where you can see where songs from various artists sampled other musicians in a side-by-side comparison.
Stuff I learned: - I was disappointed to see the melody of a couple of Daft Punk songs pretty much directly borrowed from other tracks - The beat from Big Pimpin' by Jay-Z is completely lifted from some Arabic song - Other Stuff
It's just fun to look around. 8/22/2010 8:24:30 AM |
indy All American 3624 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I was disappointed to see the melody of a couple of Daft Punk songs pretty much directly borrowed from other tracks" |
I wasn't, because I appreciate and respect all art, whether collage or otherwise. Although I'm a capitalist, I vehemently reject the notion of ownership of artistic ideas. So Daft Punk didn't write that melody.... so what? I fail to understand how that represents anything bad or disappointing, outside of personal taste.8/22/2010 8:31:43 AM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
I don't mind that they borrowed the music. I love their stuff and always will. It was disappointing because I've listened to these songs hundreds of times and then to look back where the melody was made 20 years before they released it was a little disheartening. I don't know, that was just my personal feeling.
I have nothing against sampling. I think artistic collaboration can create great works. It was just a little shocking, that's all. 8/22/2010 8:44:31 AM |
indy All American 3624 Posts user info edit post |
Word. 8/22/2010 9:08:54 AM |
egyeyes All American 6209 Posts user info edit post |
Here's the song "Big Pimpin" was sampled from. A classic favorite:
8/22/2010 10:10:18 AM |
Kickstand All American 11544 Posts user info edit post |
^nice 8/22/2010 10:25:57 AM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVop7MHqg
this is the one from the site... which turn out to be 40 or so years later than what you posted. that means you win! 8/22/2010 10:51:41 AM |
MrsCake All American 1146 Posts user info edit post |
The original songs are often more enjoyable than the ones that sampled them, but that might just be a novelty factor.
Also, I hate when someone samples songs from within the last 5-10 years. Except I thought it was kind of interesting that 50 Cent sampled himself. 8/22/2010 11:11:45 AM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "wasn't, because I appreciate and respect all art, whether collage or otherwise. Although I'm a capitalist, I vehemently reject the notion of ownership of artistic ideas. So Daft Punk didn't write that melody.... so what? I fail to understand how that represents anything bad or disappointing, outside of personal taste." |
Let's say you painted a picture.
You, because you're just a local artist and don't have the media and monetary hookups, sold the painting to the man above for $120.
The person reproduces the painting 100,000 times and adds a few touches to the painting that don't compromise it's value, but at the same time, makes it separate and distinctive from your original. "Technically" it's not the same painting anymore.
The person takes your picture and sells it and makes $12 million. You don't get anything.
[Edited on August 22, 2010 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]8/22/2010 12:23:14 PM |
indy All American 3624 Posts user info edit post |
^ Wrong tree, dude. I support open source and attribution licensing for software and other things, let alone art.
Let's say I painted a picture.
I, because I'm an artist and don't create art to make money, didn't seek media and monetary hookups, and sold the painting to the man above for a modest $12.00, but released it with an attribution license. The person then makes no changes at all to it, reproduces it 100,000 times and make $12 million. I'd get recognition for authorship, and the satisfaction that so many people received my artistic message.
(Because we're talking about creating artist expression, not profitable commercial products.) 8/22/2010 12:56:27 PM |
drtaylor All American 1969 Posts user info edit post |
Listen to Backspin on XM for 20 minutes and you'll realize there hasn't been an original track created in over 10 years. 8/22/2010 1:04:21 PM |
qntmfred retired 40600 Posts user info edit post |
i love little brother's use of cleo laine in this song
8/22/2010 1:22:10 PM |
screentest All American 1955 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I vehemently reject the notion of ownership of artistic ideas." |
totally agree
thoughts to the contrary are driven either by greed or ego8/22/2010 1:23:00 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
or survival 8/22/2010 1:29:43 PM |
screentest All American 1955 Posts user info edit post |
^
fuck that
find a patron, get a job, or stand in line a soup kitchen 8/22/2010 1:43:11 PM |
indy All American 3624 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Just out of curiosity, for what behaviors or philosophies could survival not be a driving force?
[Edited on August 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM. Reason : ] 8/22/2010 1:46:58 PM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
To break down my first post regarding Daft Punk, here are some of the moments I had:
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/14/Daft%20Punk-Harder,%20Better,%20Faster,%20Stronger_Edwin%20Birdsong-Cola%20Bottle%20Baby/
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/15/Daft%20Punk-Digital%20Love_George%20Duke-I%20Love%20You%20More/
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/226/Daft%20Punk-Robot%20Rock_Breakwater-Release%20the%20Beast/
Discovery is one of my favorite albums but it still makes me to hear these beats from elsewhere. 8/22/2010 4:03:40 PM |
Drovkin All American 8438 Posts user info edit post |
8/22/2010 4:05:21 PM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
The video of him defending the bass line is pretty lulzy. 8/22/2010 4:07:07 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
So how do you feel about collage albums like
Paul's Boutique - Beastie Boys 3 Feet High and Rising - De La Soul Since I Left You - The Avalanches
etc.? 8/22/2010 4:08:44 PM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
I don't know any of those albums so I can't comment on it. (Not really into music)
I love DJ sets though where they take a familiar beat and pair it up with lyrics from another song.
bearbot used the beat from MGMT - Kids and put it with Lil Wayne - Stuntin' Like My Daddy and my heart melted. 8/22/2010 4:24:25 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
Just as an example, "Hey Ladies" from Paul's Boutique is composed of no less than 15 samples. The track contains no original material other than the three lead vocals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5iQubfV5s ] 8/22/2010 4:38:13 PM |
Bweez All American 10849 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVaDxYMkVhc 8/22/2010 4:43:08 PM |
punchmonk Double Entendre 22300 Posts user info edit post |
I learned that most songs you hear are spliced tracks from the days or yore. I would honestly like to know when original tracks were created. There is a cool NPR segment, can't remember what show or year, but I believe Ninth Wonder (Professor of Hip Hop History at Central) got on the show to talk about the subject of tracks. I looked for it but could not find it. I &hearts Ninth Wonder!! :swoon: 8/22/2010 4:53:23 PM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
Like I said, I don't mind the practice. I think it's cool that they can take small riffs and beats from different songs and use it in another. Producers must have really good affinities for sound if they can take a 3 second bass line or drum sequence from the middle of song made 40 years ago and incorporate it into a hit today.
The shocking part is that for a decade, I had no clue of the origins of some of my favorite songs. That's all. It's neat to hear it though. 8/22/2010 4:54:28 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I wouldn't say MOST, but it's a significant portion of modern pop singles.
P.S. 9th Wonder is curating a show at Lincoln Theater during Hopscotch. It should be pretty awesome, but I'll have to miss most of it due to other shows that night. I know you guys are in Charlotte but you should roll up. ] 8/22/2010 5:01:27 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
i already knew wu-tang sampled a ton of shit to make their beats. 8/22/2010 7:27:10 PM |
lewisje All American 9196 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^it's ♥ with the semicolon at the end
anyway for anyone who hasn't heard of that Avalanches album, here's its best-known track, "Frontier Psychiatrist": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS3AZ12xf6s and here's where some of the samples came from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpWjNuMGh8I
Also I was surprised when I figured out that the laugh at the beginning of "Feel Good Inc." was actually done by De la Soul and not sampled from the beginning of "Crazy Train" 8/22/2010 8:20:08 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148249 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I vehemently reject the notion of ownership of artistic ideas" |
you and DJ Premier both...although I highly doubt you can fuck with him on wax8/22/2010 9:23:20 PM |
punchmonk Double Entendre 22300 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^^^it's ? with the semicolon at the end" |
I used to do that but Bubblebobble suggested not to. Can't win with TWW, ever. /n00b pwnt
That sounds awesome, Brian. I will check with Ken.]8/22/2010 9:26:20 PM |
aph319 All American 8570 Posts user info edit post |
This is a good one from Dre. He really has quite the gamut of musical influences.
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/147/Dr.%20Dre%20feat.%20Eminem%20and%20Xzibit-What%27s%20the%20Difference_Charles%20Aznavour-Parce%20Que%20Tu%20Crois/ 8/22/2010 10:31:02 PM |
billytalent Suspended 12909 Posts user info edit post |
i'm still trying to figure out who i want to see most at hopscotch but i might just go all in on 9th's show at the lincoln 8/22/2010 10:33:47 PM |
qntmfred retired 40600 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/993/Mos%20Def-Ms.%20Fat%20Booty_Aretha%20Franklin-One%20Step%20Ahead/ 9/16/2010 10:56:12 AM |