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"A Triangle-area social justice group is planning to demonstrate at the Cameron Village shopping center this weekend after its co-director and partner were booted from the premises after showing signs of "gentle affection." SONG leader Caitlin Breedlove says she and her partner had just finished eating at The Flying Biscuit on Thursday afternoon when they went to sit outside. There, they shared a brief kiss after which a security guard approached them and said they had to leave. According to a release, the security guard said that "being affectionate" was "inappropriate." The couple asked the guard if he would have said the same thing if they had been an opposite sex couple. The guard said, "No." The couple asked to see the security guard's supervisor, who also said they needed to leave, reminded them Cameron Village was private property and said, "You want this to be public, you want people to see what you are."

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17656/nc-lesbian-couple-say-they-were-forced-to-leave-raleigh-shopping-center-for-kissing-in-public

There's video from WRAL on the linked page, but I couldn't get it to embed on TWW.

The Flying Biscuit, in their defense, has denounced the security guard's actions. That being said, I won't spend another dime at Cameron Village until I see a public apology and disciplinary action against the security guard. Or they can just cater to an increasingly bigoted demographic. My suggestion? Whites only. It wouldn't be a big change anyway, really.

10/15/2010 1:09:18 PM

The way they describe it is telling.

They probably were full on making out.

seriously

10/15/2010 1:15:00 PM

and that's relevant in what way? If it was a man and a woman 'full on making out' do you think the security guard would have asked them to leave? Were they being obscene? I highly doubt it.

Oh wait, this is TWW. The appropriate response to this is:

What the hell? It's not like it was two dudes making out????

10/15/2010 1:24:52 PM

York Security is a bunch of dipshits. This is hardly breaking news.

10/15/2010 1:27:13 PM

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"reminded them Cameron Village was private property"

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"I won't spend another dime at Cameron Village "

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"Or they can just cater to an increasingly bigoted demographic. **** It wouldn't be a big change anyway, really. "

I think you just trumped your own point... At the end of the day it's private property and if that's already their targeted demographic, according to your statement, then they probably aren't going to be missing your dimes or the dimes of that couple.

10/15/2010 1:27:26 PM

Their target demographic is hipsters and rich old people who fancy themselves progressives.



[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 1:37 PM. Reason : I'll do my part by boycotting the library. They don't have many books anyway.]

10/15/2010 1:30:12 PM

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"The couple asked the guard if he would have said the same thing if they had been an opposite sex couple. The guard said, "No.""

Seems like clear discrimination to me.

10/15/2010 1:31:39 PM

This has nothing to do with gays. In 2001, a security guard told me we had to leave when my gf and I were trying to fuck in the back seat of my car in a CV parking deck (near McD's). High schoolers can be dumb.

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2010 1:32:25 PM

No joke, George Hutchins works as security guy at the Harris Teeter at Cameron Village. For those who don't know, Hutching was the crazy ass dude that ran for the Republican nomination in the 4th district. $10 says it was him.

Warning, his website may induce seizures, so click at your own risk:

http://www.georgehutchins.com/

10/15/2010 1:42:48 PM

^You were clearly being repressed. You could have sued! Or gone around the block to finish.

10/15/2010 1:42:59 PM

^^hahaha

if that guy wants to win anything he should really consider losing that mustache

10/15/2010 2:04:12 PM

^^^ I parked next to his car last night when I went there to pick up some groceries

he has some wild shit taped to the windows

did not know he worked security there, gg.

10/15/2010 2:19:04 PM

I guess it's their property and they can do what they want, and apparently what they want to do is be a bunch of colossal assholes.

I would say that I'll stop shopping there but I've been way too poor to go to Cameron Village for a while now.

10/15/2010 2:38:51 PM

sounds like those folks were trying to make a scene after the rent-a-cop was a douche. just leave and chalk it up to somebody being a douche.

10/15/2010 2:52:55 PM

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"I guess it's their property and they can do what they want"

Everyone keeps saying this. No you can't. You can't discriminate against protected classes.

Of course, I don't think sexual orientation is a protected class in NC. So maybe you can kick someone out for being gay. But I know you can't kick someone out for being black.

10/15/2010 3:01:34 PM

actually, yes, they can. It is their property, and they can tell whoever the hell they want to to leave. You have no right to be on someone else's property

10/15/2010 3:07:24 PM

Seems like a case of sensationalism to me...

Some people like to escalate a situation when there is no cause for doing so.

I bet it was more along the lines of "hey ladies that's not appropriate - let's take it somewhere else"

It looks like their response was the equivalent of "it's because I'm black, right?" No reason to put a securtiy guard on the defensive with an inflamitory accusation right away. Probably could have been handled better on both sides, but it never helps the situation to agitate an authority figure.

The statement of the "supervisor" seems to confirm this when he says "You want this to be public, you want people to see what you are."

Seems they were attempting to make a scene at this point. I don't know if you can say "making out" is obscene or not, but it's not really appropriate given the surroundings.

what if we all just tried having a little social couth...

10/15/2010 3:09:25 PM

^^ Civil Rights Act of 1964. Heard of it?

10/15/2010 3:10:52 PM

I was not aware that the Civil Rights Act said that I have to serve anyone and everyone at my store

10/15/2010 3:48:06 PM

^ Did I fucking say that, dipshit?

10/15/2010 4:07:52 PM

umm, yeah, you actually did. I stated that you have no right to be on someone else's property if they don't want you there. You then said "Civil Rights Act of 1964," suggesting that that somehow negates private property rights. It doesn't.

10/15/2010 4:09:31 PM

I said you can't discriminate against protected classes. You disagreed. The law I cited backs me up. So what are you arguing?

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:19 PM. Reason : And yes, on private property.]

10/15/2010 4:15:19 PM

an unConstitutional provision in a law does not "back you up." Bastardization of the Commerce Clause does not give Congress the ability to usurp private property rights.

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2010 4:24:13 PM

Well you can have fun arguing the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act with someone else.

10/15/2010 4:33:27 PM

i'm sure I can. I'm glad that you admit that private property rights are unimportant, though. I'm also glad that you can't defend your own beliefs. hey, I guess back in the 40s you would have defended s laws that kept blacks from voting, right? Cause, hey, they were the law, right?

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2010 4:34:21 PM

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"Cause, hey, they were the law, right? "

10/15/2010 4:39:41 PM

Dude. I didn't state any beliefs. I said you can't. The law also says you can't. What is your problem?

10/15/2010 4:40:34 PM

that better not be a lesbo-kiss!

^ wonderful cop-out.

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2010 4:40:48 PM

^ Rand Paul? Shouldn't you be out there campaigning instead of posting on TWW? Nice hair though!

Who's property were they on though? The Flying Biscuit folks have already come out against this anachronistic asshat. Does the security service own the area?



[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ,]

10/15/2010 4:46:54 PM

it's clear we were talking hypothetically, dork

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2010 4:54:13 PM

Got a reply from York Properties:

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"Thank you for your email. Cameron Village is a family friendly shopping center that welcomes the entire community. We sincerely regret Wednesday's events and have arranged a meeting with Ms. Breedlove for tomorrow afternoon (Saturday). Cameron Village and York Properties have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind and believe that all people deserve the right to be treated fairly in their work, homes and daily lives. The officer involved was immediately suspended. The supervising officer and all security officers will receive additional sensitivity training. Cameron Village is committed to maintaining an open and welcoming environment for everyone. Lynne Worth"

Fair enough.

10/15/2010 8:13:29 PM

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"Of course, I don't think sexual orientation is a protected class in NC."

Well, there you go then.

I said (rather clearly, I thought) that they could exclude people, not that they should -- or should even be able to.

For the most part I think such laws are outdated. They're no longer necessary and lead to frivolous litigation. But rest assured I am aware that there are areas (my own home town, as a matter of fact) that require these laws or else nobody but white republicans would live there.

10/16/2010 3:58:16 AM

Is sensitivity training really training or is it just informal group punishment?

10/16/2010 11:53:11 AM

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"If it was a man and a woman 'full on making out' do you think the security guard would have asked them to leave?"

I would hope so. This is the bible belt. Although, if the couple is hot, I guess it might be hard to get your security guard to interfere.

10/16/2010 12:02:58 PM

two words:

Private Property

/thread

10/16/2010 1:56:55 PM

Maybe you should read the thread before you uhh, /thread.

10/16/2010 2:04:37 PM

can we get some video uploaded of the couple's "brief kiss" or "gentle affection?"

that would solve this debate.

if indeed it was gentle affection or a brief kiss then the guard was in the wrong.

I feel like it may have been a little more than that but on the other hand I do know that there are some crazy security guards out there.

Not enough info here.

10/16/2010 5:58:18 PM

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"When the couple asked if they would have been asked to leave if they were a man and a woman, the guard replied “no.”"

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"Thank you for your email. Cameron Village is a family friendly shopping center that welcomes the entire community. We sincerely regret Wednesday's events and have arranged a meeting with Ms. Breedlove for tomorrow afternoon (Saturday). Cameron Village and York Properties have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind and believe that all people deserve the right to be treated fairly in their work, homes and daily lives. The officer involved was immediately suspended. The supervising officer and all security officers will receive additional sensitivity training. Cameron Village is committed to maintaining an open and welcoming environment for everyone. Lynne Worth York Properties, Inc."

So it sounds like they didn't intend to have double standards, and that it was the actions of a rogue mall cop.

The private property /thread argument doesn't work so well when the private property owners didn't want the rent-a-cop's behavior to be happening rather than the kiss.

10/16/2010 11:55:10 PM

This is a PR issue, not a legal issue.

It sounds like the actions of a rogue guard/supervisor. I'm amazed people would argue that the Civil Rights Act is not the law (who knows if the supreme court ever throws out decades of precedent, but it is clearly the law now), but it does not extend to sexual orientation in NC.

10/17/2010 3:40:42 AM

On CNN homepage right now:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/17/north.carolina.lesbian.couple/index.html?hpt=T2

10/17/2010 11:09:51 AM

If sexual orientation was a protected class under the Civil rights act of 1964 (which it isnt), then it doesn't matter if your restaurant is on "private property".

This argument was settled about 45 years ago in cases like Katzenbach v. McClung, 379 U.S. 294(1964).

If the operation of your restaurant effects interstate commerce, (and the court has pretty much determined that EVERYTHING effects interstate commerce, so its just about impossible to wiggle out of if you are operating some kind of money making business), then congress has the right under article 1 sec 8 clause 3 of the constitution ("the commerce clause") to ban discrimination at the place of business on the basis of race, religion, or national origin.

10/17/2010 12:06:54 PM

Every time NC is on the news...

10/17/2010 12:09:50 PM

Someone told me that from 1 PM - 3 PM at Cameron Village, a bunch of lesbians are going to make out on park benches, also known as a "Snuggle In." I have no idea if it's actually going to happen or not.

10/17/2010 12:14:37 PM

I'm going to show up and masturbate from 1 PM - 3 PM, also known as a "stroke in".

10/17/2010 12:28:44 PM

LOL

10/17/2010 2:09:59 PM

Haha.

10/17/2010 2:21:07 PM

It's not about making out, and it's not just for lesbians: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161874610502888

10/17/2010 2:48:19 PM

they were there. I saw them. FB group says a "peck on the cheek"

i still want to see some video

10/17/2010 3:18:04 PM

There were a ton of people holding signs in the Wachovia parking lot around 2.

I really have no idea what they're protesting. The establishment agrees with them that it was wrong and has taken action to correct it. If anything this seems like a team building exercise for the gay community and nothing more.

10/17/2010 3:54:58 PM

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"If anything this seems like a team building exercise for the gay community and nothing more."

Some people get their rocks of on recreational protesting. I'm sure it is a rush for 50-something year olds to feel like their sticking it to the man and that they're really making a difference before getting back into their bio-Diesel VWs and sipping on organic coffee on their way back home.

10/18/2010 12:35:57 AM