http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jan/09/shoplifter-accused-cutting-raleigh-target-officer-ar-679973/

Insane. A friend and all around good dude confronted a shoplifter today and was stabbed three times by the offender. He's in Wake Med with a collapsed lung, ruptured spleen and a major cut on his arm.

What is wrong with people...?

1/9/2011 9:35:36 PM

Aww, man, that sucks to hear.

I hope your friend recovers fully and quickly.

1/9/2011 9:36:33 PM

I'm sorry dude, did they at least catch the shoplifter?
Best wishes to your friend.

1/9/2011 9:37:24 PM

they got him

nbc17 makes it seem like his injuries were not so severe

[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM. Reason : hope he makes a quick recovery]

1/9/2011 9:38:32 PM

compared to the other stuff, i think "major cut to his arm" pales in comparison and could have been left out

1/9/2011 9:38:36 PM

^^That's what we've been talking about. Definitely more serious than they make it sound.

^That's why I listed that last.

[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 9:39 PM. Reason : /]

1/9/2011 9:39:02 PM

Yikes. Hope your friend is ok and that they caught the guy.

1/9/2011 9:40:21 PM

I do hope your friend recovers but that is the risk of working loss control/security...
I can say this because I worked a similar job in a different retail chain years ago...as long
as the shoplifters were on our property and we had good footage of them shoplifting then we
had the authority to use appropriate force to get the subject in custody.
I had razorblades, knives, heck even a screwdriver pulled on me while I was trying to stop
someone. luckily I never got stabbed but came close a few times.
Again I hope your friend gets better and it is good that the suspect is in custody.

1/9/2011 9:44:22 PM

^ sorry again about that whole screwdriver incident.

hard times.... rent.... family to feed, etc... you understand, broski

1/9/2011 9:47:11 PM

He's doing well... really tired though.

A few friends have contacted /b/ about doing something once the offender's name is released. I'm not tech savvy enough for that though.

1/9/2011 10:02:35 PM

sorry to hear about your friend, i hope everything turns out well.


was this the target at capital/millbrook?

1/9/2011 10:13:15 PM

I'm curious as to how he got caught.

1/9/2011 10:19:32 PM

Which store was this? North Hills? Triangle Town?

1/9/2011 10:26:13 PM

I was actually there when this happened. I walked in to Target right as the kid was being escorted up to the front. I was just there for 3 or 4 minutes and when I walked back up to the front door the guy was standing there with blood drilling down his arm. The security guard was bringing him a chair. As I was leaving the parking lot the EMS arrived.

It wasn't even the security guard that was escorting the shoplifter to the front, it was the apparent shopper. He was the one I saw with blood on him.

^It was the one near the Lowe's and Chick-fil-a. Not as far up as Triangle Town Center.

[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2011 10:26:18 PM

Quote :

"I'm curious as to how he got caught."

The kind of guy who would stab someone over a bottle of cough syrup probably isn't a master of deception.

1/9/2011 10:27:32 PM

Right after it happened the RPD was crawling all over the area. Polices cars were coming out of the woodwork.

1/9/2011 10:34:05 PM

ah, the ghetto target


i always see police cars in that area. that wachovia has been robbed several times, and once it happened not long after i pulled out of the parking lot. i used to go there a lot in the evenings to deposit checks/cash after babysitting but NOT NO MO

[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2011 10:34:32 PM

as someone who lived four blocks from that target for years

and then moved to a far shadier area

by no stretch of imagination is that target "ghetto" in any way, shape, or form

1/9/2011 10:37:50 PM

oh, my bad, is the target in your new neighborhood more ghetto?

1/9/2011 10:39:46 PM

i live in a food desert

not to mention a target desert

1/9/2011 10:41:26 PM

Quote :

"ah, the ghetto target"

Hope your friend does ok.

1/9/2011 11:25:53 PM

I grew up off Capital Blvd, it is my old stomping ground so to speak.

Having that said, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK CAPITAL BLVD.

I will take the crazy shit that goes on around here any day before living back up there.

1/9/2011 11:29:47 PM

and people ask why I carry when "you're just going to walmart/target/food lion/etc."

1/10/2011 7:25:32 AM

my bad, i should have said, "ah the least desirable target due to the area in which it is located"

1/10/2011 8:43:50 AM

^^what are you gonna make a citizens arrest?

1/10/2011 8:49:27 AM

I work with the security guard's dad. Just walked in the office a bit ago and heard the news.

My thoughts are with him and his family.

Also, ^^this. I carry any/everwhere I can. Who knows what kinda crazy stuff is going to happen these days...kinda like the shooting in Arizona...

[Edited on January 10, 2011 at 9:02 AM. Reason : .]

1/10/2011 9:00:36 AM

Going to see him in the hospital today. Really good guy. Heard he is looking better.
FYI. In case anyone else around here knows him... Don't use his real name online.

1/10/2011 1:47:04 PM

Did someone say stabbed?

Quote :

"^^what are you gonna make a citizens arrest?"

No, he's going to shoot the motherfucker trying to stab him, retard.

My god people have the dumbest impressions of what someone carries for. A citizen's arrest?! Seriously?! You carry so you can fight back when somebody attacks you with a knife or gun. You carry so you can stop a potentially deadly lethal force encounter like this. I don't know anyone who carries so they can play cop and make citizen's arrest (Those aren't even legal in NC to my knowledge).

[Edited on January 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM. Reason : T]

1/10/2011 1:48:13 PM

Man that sucks I hope he fully recovers. And I hope he has health insurance that will pay for most of it

1/10/2011 1:53:01 PM

^^god you're a fucking tool

Surely a trigger happy SaabTurbo firing off in the middle of Target is what this situation needed. I'm sure playing cop in the middle of a retail outlet wouldn't have any legal ramifications either

1/10/2011 1:58:26 PM

^ I do actually think it would of been helpful

1/10/2011 2:00:20 PM

^^It wouldn't if you know and followed the law

[Edited on January 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2011 2:02:22 PM

In my opinion, it's fucked up for a retail chain, wally world target, etc to expect these loss prevention employees to physically put themselves in harms way but not provide them with any means of protection...i'm sure it comes down to $$$ but damn

1/10/2011 2:02:23 PM

All Target employees should be armed with bear mace.

1/10/2011 2:03:10 PM

Quote :

"It wouldn't if you know and followed the law"

What is the law in such a situation? Yes, a trained individual with a gun could have quite possibly alleviated the situation, either by threat of force or putting a few rounds in the guy....but how is that viewed legally if you are a civilian using lethal force in a crowded closed environment when you yourself are not in physical danger?

Seems like you'd put yourself at risk trying to play the good samaritan

1/10/2011 2:38:05 PM

you are allowed to use deadly force if great bodily harm is feared for you OR SOMEBODY ELSE


I haven't been following this thread, but I thought i would clarify that for ya


Also: if you went off shooting all willie nillie, and shot an innocent, you would be charged appropriately. But unlike what you are thinking, most people who are legally allowed to carry concealed have been through the classes and training to know what is legal, and know when they should and should not draw their gun. If Saab felt confident that he could neutralize the situation, I would trust him just as much, if not more, than I would most law enforcement officers

[Edited on January 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ever]

1/10/2011 2:39:38 PM

Quote :

"What is the law in such a situation? Yes, a trained individual with a gun could have quite possibly alleviated the situation, either by threat of force or putting a few rounds in the guy....but how is that viewed legally if you are a civilian using lethal force in a crowded closed environment when you yourself are not in physical danger? Seems like you'd put yourself at risk trying to play the good samaritan"

That's the difference between a self centered asshole and a genuinely caring person. The person wasting time considering the legal ramifications of saving someone's life is the person who doesn't save someone's life. You should know the law well enough to have it be second nature and simply "understand" based on the situation you're presented with whether or not it's reasonable to intervene. My personal opinion is that you will certainly be held responsible for collateral damage and you'd better be damn sure that the person you're helping is in the right. But, it would be difficult for me to watch someone stab someone else repeatedly and stand there doing nothing. Particularly when the stabber is attacking someone in a situation in which the stabber is clearly the criminal. Every situation is different, it's impossible to say what will always work. My opinion is that I will (At least try to) stop a violent lethal force attack on an innocent person if I have the means. But hey, I'm a tool for calling you out on your retarded statement.

Quote :

"Surely a trigger happy SaabTurbo firing off in the middle of Target is what this situation needed."

It's amazing that I'm called "trigger happy" for simply pointing out that SOMEBODY ELSE wasn't carrying so that they could play cop and make an (Illegal in NC) citizen's arrest.

[Edited on January 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM. Reason : T]

1/10/2011 2:42:31 PM

if someone who was there and legally carrying concealed they could have shot the stabber, because it would have been "third party" defense. Just because its not happening to you doesn't mean you can't do anything.

And to the OP, I hope your friend makes a full recovery.


The sad thing is, the stabber will probably make bail tonight and be playin in the snow while your friend is still in the hospital.

And yes, that target is ghetto.

1/10/2011 3:05:12 PM

Quote :

"god you're a fucking tool Surely a trigger happy SaabTurbo firing off in the middle of Target is what this situation needed. I'm sure playing cop in the middle of a retail outlet wouldn't have any legal ramifications either"

Wait, WHO's the tool here? Just because YOU (bassjunkie)dont know the law doesnt mean that it would have been illegal or unethical to diffuse the situation with a concealed weapon.

People amaze me at their quickness to jump to conclusions while being ignorant of the law and/or facts.

1/10/2011 3:33:03 PM

Quote :

"And yes, that target is ghetto."

No, it's really not.

1/10/2011 3:41:56 PM

Well I've heard that people get stabbed there.

1/10/2011 3:43:58 PM

The bit about citizens arrest was really prodding for an answer about what one of you concealed carriers would actually do in such a situation, i.e. weigh in on all the surrounding factors and make a split second decision that may impact the lives of those around you.

But you people can't deny the potential of a situation like this to turn into a complete shitfest because some trigger happy redneck wants to play the hero and takes out some bystander in the process - I admitted that a trained individual with a gun could have helped the situation, but not every dumb motherfucker with a pistol has the business to be pulling it out in the middle of a Target because they think they have a clear shot.

And the bit about saabturbo being a tool was more of a generalization and not so specific to this thread

1/10/2011 3:44:53 PM

Quote :

"if someone who was there and legally carrying concealed they could have shot the stabber"

And if you miss?

1/10/2011 3:47:18 PM

I will say this: I firmly believe that a large contingent of people who carry are fully aware of the law and are equipped to make reasonable and helpful decisions with their weapons.

I also firmly believe that there's a contingent just as large who would do some stupid shit if confronted with the same situation.

1/10/2011 3:50:07 PM

Jared Lee Loughner could have open carried in that Target.

1/10/2011 3:52:26 PM

too soon

1/10/2011 5:12:22 PM

he is getting charged with intent to kill http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/10/910767/wake-county-arrests-01092011.html

1/10/2011 5:58:53 PM

Wake County Arrests - 01.09.2011
Ciano Damone Kimble: 1/ 9/2011, 0311000466. 5'06", 150. Charged with: ARMED ROBBERY 14-87. ASSAULT W/DW INTENT TO KILL 14-32.

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/10/910767/wake-county-arrests-01092011.html#ixzz1AgfCvEzz


Was this the guy? I think the link is going back to the main page.

1/10/2011 8:47:25 PM

^^Thanks for the update Thor!

1/10/2011 9:03:23 PM

1/10/2011 9:40:27 PM