...is being all "ZOMG STEVEN COLBERT MENTIONED AND MADE FUN OF WAKE COUNTY AND JOHN TEDESCO!!!ONE1"

to me, its funny how often they are mentioning that - instead of ya know, actual news.

1/19/2011 6:35:06 AM

Here is said clip:

1/19/2011 6:43:27 AM

It's unfortunate that they warped

-I don't want my kids bussed across the county
-I don't want my kids to have to go to separate schools/be on separate schedules
-Busing kids all over the place costs money that we simply don't have

to:
-LET'S RETURN TO SEGREGATION


[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 7:15 AM. Reason : -]

1/19/2011 7:14:28 AM

Kelcey Carlson is a hottie.

1/19/2011 7:25:31 AM

^^exactly.

1/19/2011 7:37:35 AM

^no, actually its not.

^^^dont buy that shit for a second. Nearly every lifelong friend I have, I never would have met without busing and forced economic integration. School is about having a diversity of experience, that shouldn't be limited to the class materials. Social diversity is one of the most valuable aspect of the public school system.

1/19/2011 7:55:00 AM

^that is one of the dumbest arguments ever. You agree with it because you met your friends? Well guess what, my county did neighborhood based schools... and we all still made friends, no one bitched about economics, it didn't segregate schools. and school is about an education, not fucking diversity. english, math, science, history. not diversity. let's get the real part of education under control and working, then take a look at these made up problems.

1/19/2011 7:59:58 AM

less bussing = less fossil fuel used = more green!

but for real this school board is crazy. i think it's good of the news to let us know how this school board is making wake county bad on a national scale.

1/19/2011 8:00:53 AM

Quote :

"that is one of the dumbest arguments ever. You agree with it because you met your friends? Well guess what, my county did neighborhood based schools... and we all still made friends, no one bitched about economics, it didn't segregate schools. and school is about an education, not fucking diversity. english, math, science, history. not diversity. let's get the real part of education under control and working, then take a look at these made up problems."

I won't point out how silly this is. Instead, I'll ask how many school board meetings you've been to? Have you seen the overwhelming public outcry AGAINST this? Have you seen students and parents getting (sometimes repeatedly) arrested standing up against this? Sure, some of the busing and scheduling issues can and should be addressed, but this is not the way to do it. Do you have any idea how many students/teachers/families this will screw? Poor/low performing/minority schools are a terrible thing. The teacher turnover is high so the quality suffers. How does consolidating these "diluted problems," according to Tedesco, fix anything? Wake County had one of the best school systems in the country, so why is this necessary?

The only people that want this are the ones who will be able to line their pockets.
http://www.raleighgawker.com/republican-millionaires-should-have-no-voice-in-the-future-of-wake-schools

This is bullshit, and how anyone can say diversity isn't important, or that it should be abandoned in favor of saving some gas money is totally beyond me.

1/19/2011 8:47:16 AM

Typical greedy racist Republican bullshit.

1/19/2011 8:51:17 AM

Busing issue again? On my TWW?

Let's bus more poor and/or black people to hockey games, hockey isn't diverse enough! That's what the game of hockey is all about! Diversity not scoring, not cheering on your team, not the blood/sweat/tears!

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM. Reason : -]

1/19/2011 8:53:53 AM

I think we need some more diversity in politics.

1/19/2011 8:54:06 AM

I think busing is stupid. And in areas where the mix in section 8 housing with the typically "nicer" housing, you will see integration into "neighborhood schools". You would also see an influx of crime into that area (see: lineberry area over the last couple of years), but that is another story.


I think neighborhood schools are a good idea, and I actually agree with Bill here, that instead of whining about the fact that your kids aren't going to be going to the "nice" school, make a bigger point about where the funds and teachers are going and fixing the education side of education first. If you can't read a damn book in high school, it doesn't matter where the fuck you are going to school.

but that is just my opinion

ps, i hate threads turning all soap box-y in my shit chat

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:03 AM. Reason : j]

1/19/2011 9:01:21 AM

I was bussed an hour to school in charlotte, to the most dangerous area that existed, so I could go to elementary school.
That in no way helped me with my education to see police constantly running outside our building, and having kids coming in saying their mom/dad/aunt/uncle/grandparent were arrested last night.



Now, I work at a 82% free and reduced lunch school. It is shitty. No one will argue that who works there. The kids don't do their work, they don't care about their education, and the smart ones hide that so they don't get picked on. This was changed from an integrated school to a neighborhood school about 5 years ago, and it went from one of the top middle schools, to near the bottom (in performance scores). We do get a lot more money per student, but they students don't see any of that because the school system spends in on more admin instead of real programs and supplies to help the children.

1/19/2011 9:28:15 AM

I worked at a low socioeconomic, low performing school as well. It really is a bad situation all the way around.

1/19/2011 9:38:50 AM

It's the NAACP who are the ones who are hyping all of this socio-economic bullshit = segregation shit.

They are just trying to make a come back and making themselves look like the bigots. Especially with that Martin Luther King, Jr. Day protest.

That group seriously needs to be disbanded. It is a bunch of reverse racist black people.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM. Reason : ^^ That bullshit too. The administrators need to stop acting like congress. ]

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 9:41:40 AM

^^^see, that is what I am saying... don't spend the money on busing, but also don't allow the money to be spent frivolously. Administrators should be held accountable. The money is there, it just needs to be going to the right places. Most teachers I have talked to think that problems could be fixed, but it is too bureaucratic a process to make anything worthwhile happen

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:43 AM. Reason : ^]

1/19/2011 9:42:51 AM

Thanks Supplanter for posting the video. I forgot to record it last night.

1/19/2011 9:45:15 AM

Quote :

"It is a bunch of reverse racist black people."

"Reverse racist"?

...only if you define "racist" as "white people who don't like black people".


I would just say the NAACP is racist...

1/19/2011 9:47:15 AM

i don't know why, but the term reverse racism has come to mean some other race hating whites... I guess white folks are the only ones who can be true racists. I guess it came about in the same way "reverse discrimination" did, which is discrimination against the majority. I think both are bullshit terms, but hey- IF CNN AND THE TIMES SAY IT'S SO, THEN SO BE IT!!!

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:53 AM. Reason : RAWR RAWR RAWR]

1/19/2011 9:51:12 AM

Quote :

"Now, I work at a 82% free and reduced lunch school. It is shitty. No one will argue that who works there. The kids don't do their work, they don't care about their education, and the smart ones hide that so they don't get picked on. This was changed from an integrated school to a neighborhood school about 5 years ago, and it went from one of the top middle schools, to near the bottom (in performance scores). We do get a lot more money per student, but they students don't see any of that because the school system spends in on more admin instead of real programs and supplies to help the children."

Sounds like the school I used to work in. What a hellhole it was. I felt bad for the few kids there that actually cared about school.

Quote :

"but for real this school board is crazy. i think it's good of the news to let us know how this school board is making wake county bad on a national scale."

Truth. Some of the guys on this board are batshit crazy. I also think it's bs that one of them is also on the board for a private school in the area. Maybe this year we'll have more than 4% of Wake County show up to vote on the school board election

1/19/2011 10:00:50 AM

I think going to a neighborhood school and not talking to a black person until you are 18 years old is an issue.

1/19/2011 10:01:42 AM

i don't see that happening

i went to a neighborhood private school and even we had some good diversity (and probably a lot less than you would see at any neighborhood school here).

1/19/2011 10:04:25 AM

^ How many of those kids in your private school lived in that neighborhood?

1/19/2011 10:06:41 AM

Quote :

"I think going to a neighborhood school and not talking to a black person until you are 18 years old is an issue."

Do counties with very little demographic diversity fly black people in to make it more "diverse"?

1/19/2011 10:08:54 AM

Quote :

"Maybe this year we'll have more than 4% of Wake County show up to vote on the school board election"

Seriously. I have to believe that most of the people on both sides of the argument have as their main concern providing a quality student educational experience, but they just have different ideas on what will best lead to that outcome. Its just unfortunate that so many people are expressing those concerns with GOLO comments rather than votes.

1/19/2011 10:09:01 AM

The thing about tedesco and company is you never hear them talking about the kids or even data on what problems exist in our school. They are just concerned with implementing the perceived mandate that they were elected on.

Parents in wake county had a 54% approval rating of their childs school BEFORE these goons got on the school board. That was with the old way of doing things and Burns as superintendent.

To hear them tell it you would think these were the shittiest schools in the country.

1/19/2011 10:15:18 AM

I was fortunate that when I was home in September 2009 it happened to be just in time to vote in this school board election. Unfortunately the guy I was voting for didn't win.

I think the thing that annoys me the most about this school board is when they go, "BUT THE MAJORITY VOTED US IN THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

Only 4% of people voted in that election. Of those 4%, it was a tight race in all districts so you won about 2.1% of those votes. And only 4 of the 9 districts were up for election in 2009. If that's a majority then I'm the CEO of SAS.

1/19/2011 10:18:08 AM

Quote :

"^ How many of those kids in your private school lived in that neighborhood?"

honestly, majority of the folks lived in the myers park area


and for Charlotte Latin, majority were in the providence plantation/country club area


I'm sure 95% of the people at my school were within a 5 mile radius of my school (maybe less now that ballentyne is more built up)

1/19/2011 10:19:19 AM

Quote :

"I think going to a neighborhood school and not talking to a black person until you are 18 years old is an issue."

I agree, but it's just as big of (albeit different) a problem to have kids waiting at a bus stop at 5:45a.m. to be bused halfway across the county, and then getting home at dinnertime or later.

forget any after school activities or after school jobs for high school kids.

I think steps should be taken to avoid complete stratification of schools, but busing as it stands now is pretty rigoddamndiculous.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 10:19:59 AM

^I was one of those. I probably spent 2.5 hours per day just in transit to and from school. Resented it to no end, especially considering there was a school within walking distance.

I wonder what impact giving kids a few extra hours per day would have? Parents that don't care? The kid will get in a few extra hours on the xbox. Parents that care? They might get some school work done.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:25 AM. Reason : -]

1/19/2011 10:23:07 AM

^ If you had a school within walking distance your parents could have petitioned to have you sent there but forgo the school's transportation. My parents did this when I was in high school.

1/19/2011 10:25:17 AM

in charlotte, they wouldn't let us do that (one of the reasons I ended up in private school)

people on the same street were getting sent to different schools. twas truly ridiculous (i mean, if everyone that wanted to go to providence got to go to providence, there would be massive overcrowding there)

1/19/2011 10:27:29 AM

I guess my parents felt like it was my civic duty to ensure that all schools everywhere were free from the oppressive clutches of segregation.

But really, I don't remember there being an option.

^Yeah, and we'd be right back to neighborhood schools.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:28 AM. Reason : -]

1/19/2011 10:27:46 AM

^^ Yeah that sounds like a pretty retarded system. As far as I know Wake County was never that extreme.

1/19/2011 10:28:35 AM

That depends on the county

1/19/2011 10:35:45 AM

Quote :

"Do counties with very little demographic diversity fly black people in to make it more "diverse"?"

Yes because that's clearly reasonable.

No, I think we can accomplish diverse schools in areas where it is possible through reasonable means. I don't think busing kids for 2+ hours a day when a school is down the street is reasonable, so it sounds like the county's plans could use some tweaking, but that doesn't mean we should abandon all hope.

1/19/2011 10:36:18 AM

Quote :

"The thing about tedesco and company is you never hear them talking about the kids or even data on what problems exist in our school. "

I agree. Data should be playing a much larger role in the discussion than it is, in terms of which models produce the best outcomes for students. We can all have our own individual philosophies on what we feel probably works the best all we want, but we need more than intuition to back that up.

Sure, it seems to make sense that not jamming all the poor kids into one or two schools will help create a better overall countywide system, and diversity and fairness are fine values to embrace in education. And it seems to make sense that having kids close to home to encourage closer community/PTA type ties will help create a better countywide system, and neighborhood connections is a fine value to embrace.

But if we could use student performance data from similarly situated counties that have tried different things and see which seems to work best, we'd have a much stronger case than intuition. Or if we're not going to do that, at least some parent/student/teacher satisfaction surveys. Voting could have worked as a de facto satisfaction survey if the response rate hadn't been so terribly low. And if we made more data-centric arguments we might find that one side, or the other actually is the best at producing results, or maybe even something in between like limited busing.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 10:42:12 AM

1. Bussing for diversity increases the bus rides in Wake County an average of fifteen minutes.
2. We do a ton of bussing to accommodate growth. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. Also, bus rides are long in general. I went to a school in my neighborhood and rode well over an hour a day.
3. Wake County is not Charlotte--experiences with bussing there are not applicable here. If anything, Charlotte-Meck. schools are a fine example of what Wake County will be like in the future if we don't stop the current school board.
4. Wake County's growth and success is due in large part to our bussing policy. This is why local businesses routinely support the diversity initiative. It's good for business, folks.
5. It is unconscionable to allow the creation of high poverty schools. We know what will happen. We've seen it happen over and over again all across the country, and nobody has found a replicable solution. You're fooling yourself if you think the "money is there" to fix the problems associated with high poverty schools--for starters, money ain't even half the problem.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 10:54:11 AM

Diversity shouldn't be an issue for the schools to deal with. They need to deal with the kids at school being dumber than dog shit.

There's no really good reason why a kid needs to ride a bus for an hour to school when there is one in his neighborhood. Its fucking retarded.

you want diversity? make the zoning laws so that country clubs must include a ghetto. sounds stupid right?

and I say again, at this point, the NAACP is fucking useless and hurts black people more than it helps.

1/19/2011 11:03:05 AM

Quote :

"People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity. People fail to make the distinction between bussing for growth and bussing for diversity."

Don't think this can be said enough.

1/19/2011 11:06:59 AM

^^^^Good response.

I don't think busing to extremes is the best solution, but I think it is much better than neighborhood schools. Considering the satisfaction prior to all of this, I think some minor tweaks are much more appropriate than this nonsense.

Sure some people benefit from neighborhood schools, but overall it would be a negative thing. The extremely poor (and almost all minority) school this would create would devastate entire communities. Yes, this would allow the school board/county to throw some money at it the problem to try and fix it, but I don't think it would (assuming they even allocated the money that way). The best performing schools are already in the poorest areas. Teachers still don't want to be at low performing schools. Not everyone is this guy.

Quote :

"It is unconscionable to allow the creation of high poverty schools. We know what will happen. We've seen it happen over and over again all across the country, and nobody has found a replicable solution. You're fooling yourself if you think the "money is there" to fix the problems associated with high poverty schools--for starters, money ain't even half the problem."

Ding Ding Ding!

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:07:04 AM

We had to fill out special paperwork so that I could to go to the school less than 5 miles away from my house and avoid going somewhere 15-20 miles away.



For me, being able to sleep in a few extra mins was well worth the "segregation"

1/19/2011 11:08:29 AM

Quote :

"Considering the satisfaction prior to all of this, I think some minor tweaks are much more appropriate than this nonsense."

This also can't be said enough.

In the recent parent survey, over 90 percent of respondents were satisfied with Wake County public schools. Over 80 percent were very satisfied.

1/19/2011 11:09:55 AM

white people commenting on things they don't understand but want to feel angry or defensive about because it involves black people in this thread

1/19/2011 11:17:04 AM

Quote :

"Kelcey Carlson is a hottie."

you damn skippy on that one. She's hella fine.

1/19/2011 11:17:34 AM

Quote :

"We've seen it happen over and over again all across the country, and nobody has found a replicable solution. "

Quote :

"Considering the satisfaction prior to all of this"

Quote :

"The best performing schools are already in the poorest areas. Teachers still don't want to be at low performing schools."

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"In the recent parent survey, over 90 percent of respondents were satisfied with Wake County public schools. Over 80 percent were very satisfied."

While these statements from a few people aren't the same as showing all the numbers, they are at least references to data, other school districts, and performance information. It seems like more of these statements are coming from the pro-busing side which tends to make me think that at least some busing could be appropriate. But I'll be the first to admit I don't know enough about the data to say which option is best (and I think more people sounding off on GOLO should probably do the same).

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:19:35 AM

white folk knowin it all ITT

1/19/2011 11:43:05 AM

Most of the people that take the time to comment on GOLO are complete and utter idiots.

1/19/2011 11:50:59 AM

I lived right next to east Cary but got bussed to dillard

1/19/2011 11:59:49 AM