posted the whole map. if anyone wants hi-res I can get that too.

has anyone gone looking and found anything?

[Edited on February 9, 2011 at 9:29 PM. Reason : more map!]

2/9/2011 9:21:15 PM

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"if anyone wants hi-res I can get that too"

yes please! where did you find this?

2/9/2011 10:21:09 PM

nc archives. downtown. took some digging. but I have a CD with the full 500MB tiff on it I'm gonna blow up and get framed 3'x4'

I have an old state college print from 1919 i did the same with.

that wall is sick huge.

the caption in upper left says:
"MAP OF REBEL LINES AT RALEIGH NC
DEC 1865. DRAWN FROM A CAPTURED MAP, (and other words)"

2/10/2011 1:24:53 AM

I think they decided it was over on park st or park ave whatever it is over by IHOP.

is that right? same location? and that it was barely a small hill now...that construction had demolished most of it...if its the same one?

2/10/2011 2:04:21 AM

^^ nice, nice

2/10/2011 4:07:36 PM

dude can i have a copy of the hi-res?

I love maps... especially old ones. I want to start a "map room" at my house.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 5:40 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2011 5:40:05 PM

can i get a hi-res of it too?

2/10/2011 5:50:38 PM

dude can i have a copy of the hi-res?

2/10/2011 8:31:14 PM

Torrent this ASAP

2/11/2011 8:40:51 AM

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2/11/2011 9:00:47 AM

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2/11/2011 9:50:24 AM

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2/11/2011 9:58:05 AM

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2/11/2011 10:02:49 AM

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[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM. Reason : hell, i'll even host it]

2/11/2011 1:39:48 PM

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2/11/2011 1:49:14 PM

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2/11/2011 2:37:29 PM

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2/11/2011 4:34:06 PM

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2/11/2011 5:36:58 PM

ArcBoyeee is a tease

2/11/2011 5:49:32 PM

okay okay!

If you want a copy, tell me how you can get it. I've reduced it significantly, but, the lowest I can go is a 288MB PDF without losing some nuance. I'm not that technically savvy to know how to get it to you. It's too big for email and I don't think most of those 'dropbox' type sites can handle that big. or can they?

If you want the full rez TIFF, let me know too and you can stop by (live near the bell tower) and I'll put it on your USB stick/HDD

2/11/2011 11:38:31 PM

we should hook you up wiht someone who could put this map and any other coo ncsu related ones on a torrent site.

2/12/2011 12:16:19 AM

yeah man, put it up on a torrent.

2/12/2011 6:53:31 AM

Just make it a public Dropbox link.

Dropbox can handle up to 2 gigs i think if your folder is empty

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 9:27 AM. Reason : +]

2/12/2011 9:26:43 AM

whats the story behind this?

2/12/2011 9:35:34 AM

Torrent or Dropbox will work great.

2/12/2011 9:54:25 AM

July 3rd, 1863 - Governor Vance orders that an earthen fortification wall built encircling the entire square mile city and its land owners. The corners (battlements) were the most heavily fortified with cannons. It was to keep out the Union.

We surrendered April 13th, 1865.

Lincoln was shot April 14th.

He died April 15th.

2/12/2011 9:57:33 AM

yea i def would love a copy of this

what does the college print look like that you have?

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2011 3:32:46 PM

How big is the original file?

2/12/2011 4:33:13 PM

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"We surrendered April 13th, 1865. Lincoln was shot April 14th. He died April 15th."

General Sherman was in Raleigh when he got the news.

General Logan threatened to turn his cannons on his troops after they headed towards town with the intention of burning it after hearing about Lincoln.

2/12/2011 5:21:21 PM

i would like to print this out and have it framed, who did you use before and were the results good? what type of paper did you print it on?

my boss said it would be cool if i used our plotter, but if kinkos or someone will do a better job i'd rather do that.

also, i too would like a high-res file. can you throw it on torrent or a fileshare somewhere? or if you're a student it could you put it on your university webpage?

2/12/2011 5:28:02 PM

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Here this looks like the easiest way to do it.

http://www.2shared.com/

2/12/2011 5:52:57 PM

I printed it out on the College of Design's archival printer. 64$ @ 54" x 34" ( state college pic) Nice glossy finish. Looks WAY better than kinkos.

The state college pic is a hand drawn proposal of new buildings on campus in 1919 drawn by Hobart Upjohn and Warren Manning.

Upjohn was an architect whose grandfather designed trinity church in NYC (think national treasure), also brooks hall, and many others. http://ncarchitects.lib.ncsu.edu/people/P000078 see building tab

its my fav piece in my collection.

the confederate wall pic is a 488 MB tiff.

uploading 288MB pdf now to that link ^^

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 8:09 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2011 8:08:02 PM

awesome. So which one is the one you said you printed off. I really like old hand drawn things like that.

2/12/2011 8:19:49 PM

that one.

i love it. dated 1919.

2/12/2011 8:31:39 PM

What's the name of the file?

2/12/2011 9:42:51 PM

I spent days looking for this last year, particularly the northwest portions. No obvious signs, other than the wall seemed to follow the natural topography along large hills. At one point I was pretty sure I'd found the approximate location in a little creek and through swanky backyards near mordecai, but the overgrown rubble all seemed to be early 20th century concrete construction debris. Indeed, would earthen works even leave any noticeable trace?


Also of interest:
http://goodnightraleigh.com/2011/02/the-hidden-civil-war-artifact-at-central-prison/

2/12/2011 10:53:13 PM

PM me for the link

2/13/2011 1:49:58 AM

done. done. and done. let me know your thoughts. if you show it anywhere that's not your living room, please make sure you give source credit to NC Archives. That's where I got it from.

[Edited on February 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2011 1:13:09 PM

Fuck NC Archives. As a taxpayer I own their asses, I shouldn't have to pay homage to them for doing their goddamn job. All this shit is IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, the government should be forbidden from copyrighting it.

[Edited on February 13, 2011 at 2:58 PM. Reason : Those bureaucratic motherfuckers send me threatening letters all the time. Let 'em rot in hell.]

2/13/2011 2:55:51 PM

trollin'

2/13/2011 3:05:04 PM

What are the letters for?^^

2/13/2011 3:07:54 PM

Trolling expects a response. No one is going to defend a government organization greedily copyrighting historical documents simply to justify their own budget and salaries.

^The letters are for posting images by photographers long dead whose families graciously donated them to the public domain for everyone's benefit, not to be hoarded by glorified librarians.

I'm done with history in raleigh. It's a closed community that discourages real research. And old buildings deserve one thing...demolition. Every dime used to pave over them is money well spent on real progress.

[Edited on February 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2011 3:08:13 PM

where were they posted?

2/13/2011 3:13:56 PM

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"I'd found the approximate location in a little creek and through swanky backyards near mordecai"

I know the creek and the surrounding area. Also, I'm fairly certain that you don't know what "swanky" means.

2/13/2011 7:37:34 PM

Them city folk didn't have not nar' a clothesline or privy as far as the eye could see. I commenced to wonderin if'n I weren't walkin 'pon the golden streets of heaven itself.

It's beside a city park, whose name escapes me at the moment. Anyway, there's a creek that runs through woods behind the nearby church that seems relatively undisturbed, but there was too much overgrowth when last I was there in the summer. The map shows one of those turret-like fortifications at that point, which might have been masonry in construction.

[Edited on February 13, 2011 at 7:49 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2011 7:45:13 PM

Is that the small park across Mordecai Drive from the old plantation house? I've poked through there before looking for the walls as well. Apparently they were visible in Pilot Mill until the redevelopment in the past 10 years.

2/13/2011 11:31:39 PM

This is correct.

Verified ^

2/14/2011 1:25:47 AM

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Also, lemme' hold dat 190 proof hi res map so I can put this in some context. I was working from a 100 yard margin of error at best. And now that I mention it it is time for a drink.

2/14/2011 3:14:51 PM

Is that stone or cinderblock in the first one?

2/14/2011 3:17:49 PM

I'd really hope those are in Raleigh ^^

2/14/2011 3:50:17 PM