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wolfpack2105
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lol at trying to blame Avent. Idiots that know nothing about baseball ITT. When your second basemen lets 2 bounce off his glove and your good pitchers come in and can't throw strikes...theres nothing you can do as a manager. Is the TCU manager any better now than he was when his team was down 8-1 with 5 outs to go? Shut the fuck up with this shit.

6/2/2015 12:09:31 AM

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I think there were actually 0 posts blaming Avent.. Unless that "bye" was for real

6/2/2015 12:14:04 AM

wolfpack2105
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it was for real. hes pulling the same shit in the baseball thread. True dumbass

6/2/2015 12:16:25 AM

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You guys are correct, but posting in a credibility thread immediately after that shit show is perfectly acceptable.

6/2/2015 12:17:43 AM

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Where I can fault Avent is for TWICE bringing in a pitcher on a 2-0 count. That's a hard thing to do, especially in that situation. Either yank the pitcher before the batter or after the batter, but not after you've put the reliever in a 2-0 hole. That was just asking for trouble, and he did it twice.

6/2/2015 12:18:06 AM

tower
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2-0 count twice

Not starting the 9th with Britt

Recruiting a catcher who cant catch etc

6/2/2015 12:30:16 AM

spencer
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^ clearly trolling with that last line or you know nothing about our baseball team

6/2/2015 12:34:27 AM

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Go to bed, spencer. For your health's sake.

6/2/2015 12:38:09 AM

saps852
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the worst thing about a baseball loss is it brings out all the idiots who maybe watched three games this year bash this team

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"Recruiting a catcher who cant catch etc"


this is first year catching dumbass, and he had a great year until the very end

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 12:56 AM. Reason : fucking second team all conference ]

6/2/2015 12:47:44 AM

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I just want to be the state fan for once who posts this...

Are you guys surprised? I'm not anymore. It's like this feeling I can't explain when we have leads in games and they dwindle. Remember when we were up to Duke by like 19 in basketball this year and they cut it way down? That's how I felt yet somehow that one went our way. For every 1 of those there are 3 the other way. :/ I literally a make a list of nc state shit in second half of football, basketball, and baseball games that would bring back some terrible memories...but I won't.

Ps Between my two alma maters today there were 3 balks, 8 errors, and 9 unearned runs = losses to national seeds LSU and TCU. Fail at its highest level.

6/2/2015 12:52:28 AM

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Indianapolis Jones
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That's cool you think you're the first one to post that thought.

6/2/2015 1:09:39 AM

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I think he should have kept Olzack in the 8th...but that's my only complaint. The kid was still throwing well, he was just surrounded by a bunch of idiots who couldn't filed a ground ball or catch a pitch. Other than that, no real fault to Avent on this one. This one is on the team. Gotta catch the ball.

6/2/2015 7:55:13 AM

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thanks for the lols this AM guys. Makes the hurt sting less. Some 1 weekend fans in here really showing the ignorance.

6/2/2015 8:06:33 AM

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Are lifetime contracts a thing in college baseball?

6/2/2015 8:29:50 AM

tower
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you guys are right that i didnt pay attention to the team this year

i stopped following baseball after we missed the fucking tournament with carlos rodon and trea turner

knizner looked bad behind the plate all weekend. it's his first year catching ever? again, that sounds like it's on the coach...not the player

6/2/2015 8:42:13 AM

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"but posting in a credibility thread immediately after that shit show is perfectly acceptable."


bitch please. half way through the last page, posts were from 2012. nobody gives two shits about baseball unless a) something like this happens or 2) state makes a super regional

6/2/2015 8:50:07 AM

jbrick83
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Lot of butthurt baseball fans in here.

6/2/2015 9:27:29 AM

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^^
I'm assuming you misinterpreted my post.

6/2/2015 10:11:12 AM

saps852
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" it's his first year catching ever? again, that sounds like it's on the coach"


what part of second team all-conference do you not understand? dude had a hell of a year both offensively and defensively

6/2/2015 2:52:58 PM

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i think the fourth rule of Sports Talk is to not pay attention to tower.

6/2/2015 2:56:16 PM

packboozie
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After the dust has settled, seriously we need to make a change. 19 years is enough. He has had plenty of talent (Bates, Trea, Rodon, etc.). We overachieved this year, but last year was a disaster with 2 top 13 picks on the roster. Maybe the two best players in school history together and didn't make a regional.

6/3/2015 5:05:47 PM

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"i think the fourth rule of Sports Talk is to not pay attention to tower packboozie."




[Edited on June 4, 2015 at 1:21 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2015 1:21:26 AM

Jeepin4x4
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After the dust has settled none of the anti-Avent people will pay attention for another 11 months.

6/4/2015 11:40:43 AM

packboozie
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^^ Okay bro. You right. We should let Avent coach here till he dies.

6/4/2015 12:37:23 PM

packboozie
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Clemson just fired Jack Leggett, who has a MUCH better record/resume than Avent.

4 World Series Appearances and 2 ACC titles. 1,325–782–1 all time.

6/4/2015 1:09:56 PM

wolfdawg4
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Clemson also gives tons more support to baseball than we do.

6/4/2015 1:29:28 PM

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is there a state coach in any sport that packboozie hasn't gone on a personal campaign to get fired?

this ain't packpride, fuckstick.

6/4/2015 3:19:18 PM

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Yeah we are a legitimate top 25 ish program under Avent. Sounds good to me. His resume is just as good as Gottfrieds.

6/4/2015 4:47:50 PM

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^^
lol

6/4/2015 6:23:37 PM

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^^^uhhh, he's a huge fucking TOB homer. I think he was a herb and sid homer as well.

6/4/2015 6:57:24 PM

TreeTwista10
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packbooze gets divorced and re-married every 2-3 years.

6/4/2015 7:36:20 PM

erice85
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"is there a state coach in any sport that packboozie hasn't gone on a personal campaign to get fired?

this ain't packpride, fuckstick."

6/4/2015 7:51:10 PM

packboozie
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I used to be a Herb and TOB homer....now I want all our coaches fired. Got it.

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"Yeah we are a legitimate top 25 ish program under Avent. Sounds good to me. His resume is just as good as Gottfrieds."


In 19 years, we have finished ranked maybe 4/5 times so not sure how you get that. He has three Super Regionals and 1 CWS appearance so basically 3 Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight.

If you guys hated Herb, can't see how you love Avent. Making the tournament in baseball is much easier.

6/9/2015 9:53:34 PM

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I think it's mostly apathy towards college baseball.

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"If you guys hated Herb, can't see how you love Avent"


I'm happy with being above average in every non fb or basketball sport.

(Actually above average is fine for me in football too, even though I of course care for it more than baseball)

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 9:30 AM. Reason : ]

6/10/2015 9:24:11 AM

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^^Made the tourney 13 of those years.
Making the tourney might be easier, but advancing is very difficult.
You can't compare the two sports.
Winning one fluke game in baseball isn't enough to advance to the next round. It is most definitely a tougher tournament in baseball than in basketball.

He has the 3rd highest winning % here. The other two, Esposito and Tanner.
Solid recruiter, solid coach.

6/10/2015 10:25:56 AM

packboozie
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"He has the 3rd highest winning % here. The other two, Esposito and Tanner.
Solid recruiter, solid coach."


Well I mean those three + Sorrell are the only coaches we have had since WWII.

6/10/2015 7:42:15 PM

2000ranger
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so term limits for coaches is what you are proposing?

6/11/2015 7:06:57 AM

packboozie
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Not at all. When you have been around for 19 years, you should probably have some really good things to show. Look I've said all along he has done a nice job, but we have clearly hit our limit. Why not move on to the next guy? We would be a nice job for an up and coming coach.

Tracy Woodson maybe? He built Valpo into a winner. Just finished 2nd year at Richmond already getting better there 28-25 this year.

6/16/2015 11:54:58 PM

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I mean Richmond was 31-24 and 30-26 in the last two years under their former coach, but sure.

Avent does have good things to show, like the 2nd CWS appearance in school history and the highest draft pick in school history. Would it have been nice to have an ACC title or national championship to coincide with those? Yeah, of course, but there are plenty of teams with a couple first-round players that don't win titles as two players don't make a baseball team. 2014 was disappointing, but it wasn't a whole lot different from the 2012-2013 basketball season, and people have mostly stopped trying to run off Gottfried for only that reason.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Avent get the boot the next time we miss the ACC and/or NCAA tourneys (or even if we make the ACCT play-in game with a talented squad) but hopefully that won't happen real soon. He and Foxhall did a great job with the guys they had this year.

6/17/2015 1:29:00 AM

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Can we start a credibility thread for individuals who insist on comparing the baseball tournament to the basketball tournament? They are entirely different.

There is a difference in liking Avent and appreciating the job he has done here with what he has. I am in the latter group, along with most of the actual baseball followers I know. We are in the bottom third of facilities IN OUR CONFERENCE, much less in the bottom third of the top 25 or top 40 or whatever arbitrary 'top' list the haters/supporters want to throw out.

Also, everybody was in lurve with Toman at Liberty and he didn't even make the tournament this year with the nicest stadium/facilities in Virginia.

So, yeah, good luck (a) firing Avent, (b) eating that contract, (c) finding a guy that wants to come to State/can win more than Avent with the same facility disadvantage, and (d) keeping that guy if he wins more than Avent. This isn't basketball where we have a cool place to play and history and fans. This is a job where you have to overachieve with what you're given and people will still think you suck.

[Edited on June 17, 2015 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

6/17/2015 11:25:22 AM

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^ Guessing you were referring to someone else further up the thread, but just to be clear, I wasn't comparing the baseball and basketball tourneys, rather the overall results of the 2014 baseball season with those of the 2012-2013 basketball season. We went into both with a lot of hype based on a few talented players and both seasons were ultimately huge letdowns.

Agree with pretty much all your points, though. I think I've seen more people trashing Avent over the past couple years than the number that bother showing up to most games at the Doak that aren't marquee matchups.

[Edited on June 17, 2015 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ]

6/17/2015 1:54:19 PM

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I think people that follow the baseball team pretty well have been upset with some things about Avent (the way the pitching is sometimes handled, and the love of bunting at any point in the game), but being upset with his overall performance is dumb as hell. Our facilities suck compared to teams like Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA, etc. and yet we've hosted multiple regionals and one super regional in the last 10-15 years and won each time we've hosted anything. Being 0-5 in the ACC Championship game is frustrating, but with the way the tournament is set up you have to have a deep rotation or get really lucky in the final game to have a chance to win it.

The main people that get so vocal about ousting Avent are the ones who don't pay attention to baseball until basketball season is over. Going on PP and seeing all the "Avent = Baseball Sendek" posts makes me

6/17/2015 2:33:27 PM

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"So, yeah, good luck (a) firing Avent, (b) eating that contract, (c) finding a guy that wants to come to State/can win more than Avent with the same facility disadvantage, and (d) keeping that guy if he wins more than Avent"


The old nobody wants to coach here. That shit gets so old man. We are a big and public ACC school in one of the greatest cities to live in. Candidates would be jumping at the job.

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"Can we start a credibility thread for individuals who insist on comparing the baseball tournament to the basketball tournament? They are entirely different. "


Right. Baseball is much easier to make the tournament as an ACC team

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"We are in the bottom third of facilities IN OUR CONFERENCE"


That might be because we have one ACC title since 1975.....success usually breeds facilities and vice versa

6/18/2015 12:06:20 AM

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I think if Avent were replaced, there wouldn't be much outrage, but I doubt there would be a ton of excitement for the new guy, even if it were Lou Piniella or Sparky Anderson's corpse or something. I don't think the majority of the alumnibase or students would really care unless we consistently made deep post season runs.

6/18/2015 12:12:40 AM

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"Candidates would be jumping at the job. "


RE: football and basketball eh ?

6/18/2015 7:45:53 AM

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Tanner left because Turner told him the athletic department wouldn't spend money on baseball to upgrade Doak to a regional-hosting level. Fowler actually started giving baseball some money and upgraded Doak in 2004. Our first regional host was in 2003 and we had to use Wilson's Fleming Stadium.

6/18/2015 9:51:01 AM

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Yeah? Two years ago we got the top up-and-coming candidate that all schools wanted

6/18/2015 6:45:35 PM

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Now you're just making up your own history.

6/18/2015 8:18:50 PM

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lol

6/18/2015 9:57:10 PM

saps852
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anybody see the walk off win the dodgers had on a balk? total nc state shit

6/19/2015 1:07:36 AM

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