who should be held responsible? Republicans or Democrats and why?


Republicans really want the economy to fail on Obama's watch so they can try to take back the presidency.

The GOP hasn't done shit to help with job creation. They're looking to cut funding to Planned Parenthood, gut Medicaid and privatize SS.

4/7/2011 10:29:46 PM

Why: DEY TUKK UR JOBBS!!!

4/7/2011 10:35:24 PM

Your thread is Chit Chat level, so that's where I'm moving it to.

4/7/2011 10:35:51 PM

4/7/2011 10:41:07 PM

While I generally vote republican I'm not happy with either party and their economic policy right now. I think that Republicans have better policy for job creation. But some of their policies on Social Security and Environmental policy are borderline ludicrous. It's painfully obvious they're caving for votes on something more important or funding.

But until our budget is some semblance of under control I'll vote for whoever is cutting from it at nearly any expense. Healthcare, Social Security, Environment, a myriad of crappy social programs - they're all on the block. Our balls are in China's hands until we get this junk straight.

4/7/2011 10:52:03 PM

What is the republican policy for economic growth? Stop abortions?

4/7/2011 11:01:50 PM

^^ +1

4/7/2011 11:07:22 PM

don't forget to let the rich have their tax cuts so they can save thousands on taxes to put away in some savings account or buy a few expensive pieces of jewelry or a foreign sports car.

[Edited on April 7, 2011 at 11:10 PM. Reason : troll troll troll your boat ]

4/7/2011 11:08:54 PM

[Edited on April 7, 2011 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2011 11:10:30 PM

Which one of these shitty ideas is going to balance the budget, create jobs and boost the economy?

http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Policy_Riders.pdf

4/8/2011 12:15:04 AM

ITT we see ignorance. You can amass quite a fortune if you look at the market right now and get in.

But I'm not going to give away my secrets, so good luck sir.

4/8/2011 12:17:00 AM

^We'll see.

4/8/2011 12:18:05 AM

I'm not gonna tell you I told you so. You are entitled to your opinion.

4/8/2011 12:21:34 AM

The babies that the republicans are trying to save with their anti-abortion laws are the same babies the republicans will be pissed off about in 30 years when these babies go on welfare.

4/8/2011 7:20:14 AM

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"The babies that the republicans are trying to save with their anti-abortion laws are the same babies the republicans will be pissed off about in 30 years when these babies go on welfare."

QFT

but that's for LATER, man, not now! we're trying to save women from themselves NOW! for jesus!

also, how anyone can lay the blame for this potential shutdown at the feet of anyone but the republicans is beyond me...they're willing to bring the government to a shrieking halt because they don't think women have the right to do with their bodies what they want

4/8/2011 7:26:38 AM

4/8/2011 7:36:27 AM

well, i don't know if i agree with that, exactly...some dumb bitch dressed like a whore who decides to get stoned out of her gourd at a party where she doesn't know anyone, who happens to wake up the next morning in the bed of some dude she doesn't know, with no recollection of the night before, may or may not have been raped

it simply isn't black and white...against their expressed will and against their better judgment when judgment isn't impaired by other bad choices are not the same thing, though there are certainly some women who would assert that they are...just like there are guys that assert that stoned whores are fair game

but this isn't a thread about what's rape and what isn't...this is about how much we hate spray-tan boehner

4/8/2011 9:04:14 AM

LOL @ this thread.

4/8/2011 9:09:09 AM

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"LOL @ this thread congress."

4/8/2011 9:10:48 AM

Gas prices choking economy...

4/8/2011 9:11:09 AM

CRANK IT UP TO $5 DOLLAR BUCKS CASH MONEY

4/8/2011 9:11:33 AM

IT'S NOT A SPRAY TAN!



It's a golf tan.

4/8/2011 9:14:04 AM

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"who should be held responsible? Republicans or Democrats and why?"

People. They (we) did it to ourselves. 90% of this world is full of stupid and irresponsibility. You can't blame just a political party.

[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2011 9:14:10 AM

If by "they" you mean "the banking and money shifting industry" then I agree.

[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2011 9:15:50 AM

I played the wrong kicker.

4/8/2011 9:20:35 AM

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"What is the republican policy for economic growth? Stop abortions?"

No. Everyone knows it's by stopping gays from getting married.

4/8/2011 9:34:29 AM

How many gays are going to be born because they cut funding to Planned Parenthood? SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE GAY CHILDREN!

4/8/2011 9:38:09 AM

And then they may grow up and SERVE OPENLY IN THE MILITARY!?!?!?!?!

OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

4/8/2011 9:43:29 AM

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"If by "they" you mean "the banking and money shifting industry" then I agree."

Yup. and excessive consumer spending.

4/8/2011 9:44:48 AM

There is nothing wrong with consumer spending as long as they are spending their own money and not borrowing for it. For as irresponsible as the consumers have been, the banks and credit card companies have been equally as irresponsible by handing out ridiculous amounts of credit to undeserving candidates.

4/8/2011 9:52:45 AM

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"There is nothing wrong with consumer spending as long as they are spending their own money and not borrowing for it."

Correct, which is why I mentioned excessive. Subprime loans should have never existed for one and greater restrictions on loan (income:debt ratios) qualifications should have been in place.

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"For as irresponsible as the consumers have been, the banks and credit card companies have been equally as irresponsible by handing out ridiculous amounts of credit to undeserving candidates."

+1

4/8/2011 9:55:34 AM

so the government will shut down because the Republicans think NOW is the time to push through amendments that seriously undermine the well-being of the environment, a woman's right to choose, limits the powers of the President (at least when it comes to healthcare, climate change, global warming, closing Guantanamo Bay, pay and fairness), and prohibits social programs that would improve the District of Columbia

FUCK

4/8/2011 11:50:21 AM

Since this is chit chat...

If the government shuts down they shouldn't be allowed to collect taxes during the period of time they are shut down. No fed sales tax, fed gas tax, fed income tax (prorated), etc.

[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM. Reason : -]

4/8/2011 12:14:46 PM

^i like that

4/8/2011 12:46:15 PM

republicans. democrats can't be to blame because they don't do anything.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

4/8/2011 12:51:50 PM

who cares whose fault it is. when it collapses, let the death race begin!

4/8/2011 12:54:43 PM

[Edited on April 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason : addd]

4/9/2011 12:07:31 PM

Looks like the GOP is working hard on crashing the economy by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.

4/18/2011 5:09:53 PM

I'm still waiting to be up to my neck in spotted owls and out of a job much like Papa Bush warned us about! (cue the owl picture from Futurama :-p)

4/18/2011 5:18:46 PM

i dont know if raising the debt ceiling would be a good idea.


i honestly cant say that im an expert in economics or anything, so my thoughts could use tweaking, but why in the world would you do that?

[Edited on April 18, 2011 at 5:22 PM. Reason : s]

4/18/2011 5:19:34 PM

some debt is sustainable, if you put it toward something that is an investment.

for example, before the interstate system was built, it took forever to get across the country. it cost a fuck ton of money to build all those roads, but it opened up the ability to transport goods, expand the economy, etc. the country can see positive yields if they invest money wisely. (building nice schools makes communities attractive)

spending money on stupid shit isnt sustainable, you wont see returns from that money, it's not an investment.

kinda like spending 2 grand on putting a new energy efficient roof on your house, versus rims for your car. only problem is, we've spent so much on rims and tires-- we still need to replace the roof, but then theres windows that need to be replaced, the a/c is broken, and we now have to take out more money instead of spending what we could afford bits at a time.

[Edited on April 18, 2011 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ..]

4/18/2011 5:33:49 PM

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"(building nice schools makes communities attractive)"

Nice, attractive communities build nice schools much more than the other way around. Put a nice school in a not-so-nice community, and the school will look like its surroundings very quickly. "Build a nice school" puts the cart before the horse.

4/18/2011 6:00:29 PM

To grossly over-simplify, if the debt ceiling is not raised, when we hit it, the treasury would not have the authority to borrow any more money. At that point, we would immediately have to substantially cut spending or raise taxes to cover the shortfall. And as puck_it said, some debt is sustainable, depending on what it's going towards.

What is more likely they would continue to borrow, but acknowledge that we cannot pay in full the amount of public debt (US Bonds) and the country goes into partial default. With the dollar being the most widely held reserve currency in the world today, the effect of that would be huge.

4/18/2011 6:08:55 PM

So do I buy guns or butter? What do I turn all my cash into asset or investment wise?

4/18/2011 6:24:21 PM

Ammo, food, medical supplies. In that order.

4/18/2011 6:27:11 PM

come on moderators keep this shit out of chit chat. there's already a forum for this garbage and it's called the soap box

4/18/2011 6:40:23 PM

oh ok, i understand but

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"kinda like spending 2 grand on putting a new energy efficient roof on your house, versus rims for your car. only problem is, we've spent so much on rims and tires-- we still need to replace the roof, but then theres windows that need to be replaced, the a/c is broken, and we now have to take out more money instead of spending what we could afford bits at a time."

if we've spent so much damn cash on unnecessary stuff why would raising the debt ceiling magically make us start spending money wisely?
it just seems counter intuative.
i mean i understand that we need more money to generate money, but i dont think i trust those in power to use that extra debt wisely.

[Edited on April 18, 2011 at 6:46 PM. Reason : jkjlk]

4/18/2011 6:42:34 PM

evolve or die!

4/18/2011 6:50:54 PM

The "rims and tires" were in the form of $2.3 trillion in Bush tax cuts.

4/18/2011 6:53:51 PM

what about the other 8 trillion?

4/18/2011 7:01:23 PM