I doubt I'll get into this as much as the Brad Cupper trial. But it needs it's own thread. QUIT RUINING THE MISSING RUNNER THREAD WITH JASON YOUNG COMMENTS!!!1


So first impressions. Guilty or not?

I'm leaning towards guilty as a gut feeling. But I haven't really payed attention to this case. Other than I lived about 2 miles from their house when it happened.

[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM. Reason : Toasted. Really?]

5/20/2011 1:05:55 PM

I'm gonna go with guilty just cause I know nothing about it.

5/20/2011 1:06:44 PM

I'm thinking he's probably guilty too. I think the case against him will be stronger than the one against Cooper.

5/20/2011 1:07:07 PM

Just look at him. He looks like a goddamn murderer


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/9624237/

5/20/2011 1:11:29 PM

Quote :

"A Superior Court judge ruled Friday to allow the testimony of a convenience store clerk who says she sold gasoline to Jason Young on the morning of his wife's death nearly five years ago."

Seriously? A fucking gas station clerk is going to remember one customer from 5 years ago.

5/20/2011 1:14:40 PM

Quote :

""He got angry, threw a $20 (bill) at me," Dahms said. "He was cussing.""

I'd probably remember a customer who acted like that

5/20/2011 1:17:19 PM

Guilty.

But I'm sure the internets will declare him innocent because of an inept murder investigation, an unfair trial and their SOP contrarian/cynical attitude.

Quote :

"Seriously? A fucking gas station clerk is going to remember one customer from 5 years ago."

If he was an incredible dick, then yes. NTM it's not like they just asked her about it yesterday. This case was investigated a long time ago.

5/20/2011 1:19:23 PM

Quote :
""He got angry, threw a $20 (bill) at me," Dahms said. "He was cussing.""


Will you hurry the fuck up? I gotta drive back to Raleigh and kill my wife!

5/20/2011 1:22:13 PM

more like:

"Will you hurry the fuck up. I just killed my wife and gotta make a meeting in bumfuck Virginia to help establish my alibi. "

5/20/2011 1:23:26 PM

Quote :

"In 2009, a judge awarded Michelle Young's family $15.5 million in damages in a wrongful death suit against Jason Young after he failed to respond to the suit."

Not a good sign for the defense.

Who beats a pregnant woman to death? That is just really cold.

5/20/2011 1:24:46 PM

Quote :

"I'd probably remember a customer who acted like that"

Yeah, for a little while. The murder was 5 years ago, but the police probably got the clerk's testimony a long time ago. I'd be interested to know how much time passed between the murder and the time the clerk identified him as a customer that morning. Any significant time and it's definitely suspect.

I've got to think that even with a confrontation I'd forget the face within a day or two, considering I was serving people day in and day out. I might remember the face for a while but one thing I would definitely forget was the time and day. After any significant passage of time the days would all bleed together. At least for me.

There's a huge difference between the cops showing up the week of and asking did you see this guy Sunday morning and them showing up months afterward and asking did you see this guy on January 17th. "Why yes officer. At 5:13AM if I recall correctly."


[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM. Reason : -]

5/20/2011 1:27:25 PM

wonder if this thread will have epic groupthink like the last one

5/20/2011 1:27:52 PM

who has $15.5 million dollars just chillin?

5/20/2011 1:28:33 PM

Seems if you were trying to establish an alibi, it'd be a good idea not to be a dick to someone that could ruin your alibi by remembering you being a dick.

5/20/2011 1:28:42 PM

^^^^the gas station may have a log for such incidents


we had one at the bar.



when a customer is overtly rude or too drunk or there are any problems we would write down the persons name, date, time and what happened.

5/20/2011 1:32:08 PM

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"it'd be a good idea not to be a dick to someone that could ruin your alibi by remembering you being a dick."

well they're accusing this guy of brutally beating his 5 month old pregnant wife to death. i'm not thinking mental stability is among his strong suits...especially since it was only 2-3 hours after the beating.

I wonder if the lady remember what he was wearing (probably not). Because the clothes he was last seen wearing via hotel security video (different than the ones he checked in wearing) were never recovered/accounted for. Pretty interesting that one of the hotel security cameras was unplugged for a few hours that night (to supposedly allow him to renter undetected).

5/20/2011 1:32:59 PM

I thought all gas stations had video cameras for safety these days.

5/20/2011 1:34:11 PM

evidently not in king nc (or they had one and it was non-functional)

5/20/2011 1:35:01 PM

^^Or for people that drive off without paying. So a camera inside to catch an image of him and a camera outside that put his car at that station.

So the hotel security cameras were off that night. Wow.


[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 1:36 PM. Reason : -]

5/20/2011 1:35:02 PM

let me get IOP1

5/20/2011 1:36:55 PM

Quote :

"So the hotel security cameras were off that night. Wow."

No. A number of cameras have him walking all over the hotel. A single camera was unplugged, and if i recall correctly, it was the one that would have seen him reentering the building if he left and came back...and the manager said that was highly unusual and had never happened before yadda yadda.

There's a ton of details in here:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/news_briefs/2010/01/04/6739176/Dec._30_2009_search_warrant_for_Jason_Young_s_text_messages.pdf

5/20/2011 1:40:11 PM

he kinda looks like crispin glover

5/20/2011 2:02:58 PM

seems like alot more tangible evidence against this dude...especially with the clerk that blows his alibi

Quote :

"But I'm sure the internets will declare him innocent because of an inept murder investigation"

after skimming over the documents, it actually seems like they covered their bases pretty well with the forensics aspect...you know, actually testing relevant items and collecting evidence pertinent to the case.

5/20/2011 2:05:02 PM

^Yes, clearly Wake Co. Sheriff's Office >>>>>> CPD

5/20/2011 2:17:07 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/9624237/

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"Detectives said they canvassed gas stations between Raleigh and Hillsville and met Dahms on Nov. 6, 2006, when she told them that Jason Young had left an impression on her because of the encounter."

damn, thats gotta take some time...

5/20/2011 2:43:35 PM

So the murder was November 3rd and they found the clerk on the 6th. Yeah, the clerk would likely still remember.

5/20/2011 2:46:40 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, the clerk would likely still remember."

Ur doing it all wrong. You're supposed to point out that the police didn't use the proper procedure. Say something about how they influenced that lady or something along those lines...

5/20/2011 2:56:08 PM

I was an acquaintance of his my freshman and sophomore years. He was an RA at University Towers. Extremely nice guy. Sadly, he looks very guilty.

5/20/2011 3:08:02 PM

NO WAY

what year?

5/20/2011 3:08:38 PM

98

5/20/2011 3:09:29 PM

Dang I got to UT in 99

5/20/2011 3:10:50 PM

Only thing I took away from that article was

Quote :

"an impermissible taint"

I used to live not far from King, worked there for a while one summer while I lived at home. Not surprised if a gas station there doesn't have security cameras. I wouldn't be surprised if that same gas station still had an outhouse and didn't take credit cards either...place is podunk as hell.

5/20/2011 3:16:06 PM

Quote :

"Ur doing it all wrong. You're supposed to point out that the police didn't use the proper procedure. Say something about how they influenced that lady or something along those lines..."

cynical today?

Are you implying that in the BC case the interwebs fabricated the ineptitude of the handling of the case?

^king is the shittiest of shitty

and



[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 3:18 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2011 3:16:37 PM

First impression is guilty. I can't imagine anyone brutally beating up and killing a pregnant woman for shits and giggles. Nothing was stolen right?

I would probably have remembered that guy also if he was a complete dick to me. Supposedly though there was some kind of misconduct during the police line-up with the witness who identified him?

[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM. Reason : IOP1]

5/20/2011 3:32:50 PM

Possible witnesses to include Elmer Goad (maintenance) and Michelle Money (mistress.) Holy moly.

5/20/2011 3:33:28 PM

I think he's guilty.

Oh yeah, IOP1.

5/20/2011 3:36:32 PM

I'm gonna say not guilty because whatever

5/20/2011 3:50:56 PM

Quote :

"Supposedly though there was some kind of misconduct during the police line-up with the witness who identified him?"

apparently they showed only his pic instead of the standard lineup to choose from...but she was so adamant that it was him it likely didn't matter in this case.

Although there have been instances of false id when people were questioned in this manner, which is why the lineup is sop

5/20/2011 4:51:46 PM

IOP1

5/20/2011 4:52:29 PM

Guilty

5/20/2011 5:17:14 PM

Quote :

"apparently they showed only his pic instead of the standard lineup to choose from...but she was so adamant that it was him it likely didn't matter in this case. "

I'm assuming that the police went from gas station to gas station starting in VA and ending in Raleigh holding up a picture for all the clerks asking 'have you seen this man?' How were the police supposed to do it in this case? Take 5 pictures and ask 'have you seen one of these 5 men, and if so, which one?'

5/20/2011 5:25:55 PM

iop1?

5/20/2011 5:27:04 PM

Yeah they were doing basic investigating, not even disclosing why they were looking for him and the cashier volunteered that she had seen him.

That is different from doing a flawed lineup when the person already knows they are trying to pick a murder suspect.

5/20/2011 5:28:46 PM

or rape suspects.
I'm looking at you, Mike Nifong

5/20/2011 5:43:19 PM

If what I've heard is true, then I think he's guilty. But I can't trust anything released by the DA's office, anything said in the media, or anything a Judge rules as reliable, so I'm not going to pass judgment until I see the evidence.

The testimony about a five year old eye witness testimony is useless. It's a cash purchase, on a man who looks substantially different now than he did 5 years ago, it's been freaking five years, and there's no surveillance video?? And she's not certain, she only "thinks" it's the same guy. If they're reaching with this, it makes me question what else "evidence" they actually have.

5/20/2011 5:52:19 PM

^She ID'ed him 3 days after the murder occurred.

5/20/2011 7:14:00 PM

Link? I hadn't seen that. And if that's the case, why did it take 5 years to come to light? (I don't know this case well, so I'm not arguing, just saying I don't believe a thing the media reports anymore).

[Edited on May 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2011 8:22:20 PM

I think it's more that it took five years for this case to finally make it to trial, not that it took five years for this woman to come forward.

5/21/2011 11:34:17 AM

I just mean--why did it take 5 years for this information to hit? I got the impression that this was "new" to the case, as far as, a new piece of information given to the defense. Do you think they've known all along and it's just now hit the media because of the pre-trial motions? Or do you think they just got this bit of information, on the eve of the trial, kind of Cooper-case style?

I do think it's interesting all the restrictions Judge Stephens is imposing on the jury. You can tell he saw the frustration with the jurors in the Cooper case. He's not allowing any arguing during the day, all arguing will happen after 5. I am not sure how, as a practical matter, that will work, but it will be interesting to see. And he's put a hard time limit of 4 weeks on the trial--I am not sure that is entirely fair. But I do think they should strive to stay in their estimate. Jurors were told 4-6 weeks in the Cooper case originally (the prosecution's estimate for their case was originally 1.5 weeks) and then it was bumped to 6-8 week including jury selection, and that one went what, 10 weeks total? That's certainly not fair. But saying 4 weeks and not a day more doesn't seem entirely fair either.

And good move on the defense for making him cut his hair. The long haired look would not have done him favors with the jury.

[Edited on May 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM. Reason : ]

5/21/2011 11:49:20 AM

this dude is guilty as sin, and he is nailed to the fucking wall.

this won't even be a close enough to have any semblance of a chance to go the way of the defense. young's toast.

5/21/2011 11:53:02 AM