I'm not typically one from the tin foil hat crowd, but god damn if this isn't some creepy stuff.

How long before the government, or anyone really, uses footage of you from a youtube, security tape, or random picture to track you down? TSA already has a history of creating a "problem passenger" list for people who are disruptive at body scanner checkpoints.

Goodnight, sweet privacy

http://www.pcworld.com/article/229742/why_facebooks_facial_recognition_is_creepy.html

Quote :

"Ok, I know I sound a little melodramatic. But let's take a look at some facts here: -Facebook has 600 million members. -Each day, Facebook's members upload over 200 million photos, and Facebook currently hosts over 90 billion photos -Each time you "tag" a photo on Facebook, its facial recognition technology learns more about what that person looks like. ... Facial recognition technology will ultimately culminate in the ability to search for people using just a picture. And that will be the end of privacy as we know it--imagine, a world in which someone can simply take a photo of you on the street, in a crowd, or with a telephoto lens, and discover everything about you on the internet. Obviously, we can't stop the world of technology from moving toward the development of accurate facial recognition software. But so far, no facial recognition software has really been a threat to our privacy, because nobody has that huge database of people and photos required. Oh wait, except Facebook totally does."

ibt[old]

also, consider the situation of parents who create profiles and tag images of their children as they grow up...lifelong facial image data right there

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 2:08 AM. Reason : ghk]

6/11/2011 2:04:30 AM

Man. If only it were possible to delete your facebook profile. That would almost solve everything!

6/11/2011 2:09:21 AM

facebook actually owns them still.

maybe we should write Mark Zuckerburg a letter and tell him we're concerned

6/11/2011 2:14:37 AM

Well yeah anything on the internet is permanent but the less info about yourself that you spoon-feed the public the less likely you are to be a victim of these projected privacy violations

That is if you get off on worrying about such things

6/11/2011 2:30:22 AM

yeah you only really need to worry if you want top secret security clearance or want to run for high profile public office one day

6/11/2011 2:55:19 AM

yeah you only really need to worry if you want top secret security clearance or want to run for high profile public office one day have something to hide

6/11/2011 3:52:49 AM

You only need to worry if you're using Facebook and tagging all your pictures.

6/11/2011 7:35:00 AM

Usually I don't care about this stuff either when Facebook makes changes like this

But yeah...this is creepy

6/11/2011 7:49:50 AM

Mark Zuckerburg is the Big4Country of the world.

6/11/2011 7:56:15 AM

Google has had this technology for years. I think they have aomething like a 95% success rate on facial recognition. Not available to the public but it is there and has been in their engine. If google and facebook have it then the govt has it. I don't think they'll do anything bad with it in our lifetime

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6/11/2011 9:21:56 AM

time to switch back to myspace

6/11/2011 9:22:53 AM

I've been following this story since about mid-last week. It's interesting.

I mean, facial recognition software is here. Period. And I think it has a lot of useful implications. However, I think that in this case, the big deal from the public's standpoint is that Facebook is doing this without telling you. As in, you have to opt OUT by default. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable knowing Facebook is building a database on you.

6/11/2011 9:24:57 AM

I mean really what are they going to do with it. If you are a normal citizen the govt already knows where you work and live. They can get your debit/phone logs. If you don't want someone to take your picture and find out who you are (again this technology is not publicly available) then make your profile private and change your picture to some ncsu logo or something.

^when you sign the terms you give facebook the right to do whatever research they want. They aren't your friend, the service is free and they aren't doing it just so that you can post some stupid video of yourself on your friends wall.



The real issue here is the internets ability to customize what you see to meet what it expects you to want. Its like a weird form of reverse censorship that does way more damage than facial recognition will ever do

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[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 9:30 AM. Reason : ]

6/11/2011 9:27:35 AM

Upload a bunch of pictures of random people and tag yourself in those.

6/11/2011 9:33:56 AM

So, that's way too simplistic of an view.

The bigger issue is this database that needs to be/has been developed in order for facial recognition to work. On a broader scale, from a tin foil hat perspective, this database has implications for pretty much ending all privacy wherever you go. Data from every surveillance camera, traffic light camera, cell phone camera, etc... could then be used to identify you anywhere you go.
One of those things where simple pieces of information can ultimately add up to a dangerous whole when aggregated.

All this is a moot point I suppose. Like I said, facial recognition software is here, and has been for years. It's already being used, though I have no idea the scope.

6/11/2011 9:35:32 AM

Quote :

"yeah you only really need to worry if you want top secret security clearance or want to run for high profile public office one day"

I am actually curious what will happen when our generation gets to the age of public office, and people dig hard to Find your facebook, youtube history, forum identities, and god knows what else

I have more thoughts on this but I'm on my phone

^ this. The crazy part now is that there IS a huge database, and it includes not only your pictures but your favorite movies, dating history, favorite quotes...and its all created by you, ironically.

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 9:41 AM. Reason : We've doomed us all]

6/11/2011 9:38:50 AM

lol wut?

6/11/2011 1:05:54 PM

I have worked with this technology before, and it works, and there's a huge database. That's about all that I absolutely know for sure. They want to keep it that way.

Don't forget to cross reference biometrically recognized photos with pixel encryption that provides unique identifying information concerning camera of origin (encoded in every image that machine makes for its useful life) - then cross reference that uniquely identifying information of the camera of origin with credit card records or vendor/address of purchase, and you've got a name/address/subject/location for every single photo on facebook.

6/11/2011 1:10:08 PM

you are trying too hard, son!

6/11/2011 1:11:10 PM

^ you're right

just keep sexting cock photos to your friends at age 21 and see what happens when you're 65 and run for mayor

6/11/2011 1:16:31 PM

I think it's kind of cool.

6/11/2011 1:29:24 PM

I'm with punchmonkie

I think its rather neat....I haven't decided if I will uncheck the box in my privacy settings just yet.

6/11/2011 1:41:01 PM

I agree that the location thing with pictures now (specifically smartphones) is pretty crazy. There's been at least one photo on TWW where I was given an option to map it (I was sending it to someone) and it gave me an exact lat/long to give the precise location where the picture was taken.

6/11/2011 2:21:26 PM

So how is it that facebook suggested I friend someone who is on my hotmail contacts list, but not on the friends list of anyone on my facebook friends list?

8/27/2011 2:45:03 AM

something similar happened to me, probably a year or two ago. i bought a phone or phone charger from some guy on craigslist, we might have emailed each other twice to arrange meeting. a few months later he pops up under "people you may know". we had no friends in common and this guy was probably in his late 40's. i thought it was just a really random coincidence but who knows, we definitely never communicated through facebook (only gmail).

8/27/2011 2:58:00 AM

same here. I've recently had two guys who I emailed as possible roommates show up under the 'people you may know' list. it's really getting kind of creepy

8/27/2011 3:01:39 AM

grown ass men shouldn't use the word "creepy"

8/27/2011 3:14:48 AM

Now there is a box in hotmail with a facebook, myspace, and twitter logo in it. It says

"Connect your services. See what your friends are up to on other services and share more with your friends on Windows Live. Click a service below to get started!"

I have myspace and facebook, but have not clicked on either of these logos, so I don't see how facebook should know who is on my contacts list.

8/27/2011 3:21:19 AM

in other news

sand found on beach

again.

8/27/2011 3:24:09 AM

here's how you solve the problem...start tagging yourself in pictures of trees/mountains/dogs/grass/anything else that is not you. that'll help to confuse the software.

humans > computers...that is until they develop the singularity, and then we're all fucked.

8/27/2011 11:38:55 AM

LOL you use hotmail

8/27/2011 11:51:02 AM

it's also pretty creepy when facebook suggests friends to me who i have absolutely no other friends in common with, nor do i ever e-mail them, but i actually know them pretty well. weeeeeeeird

8/27/2011 12:44:19 PM

Quote :

"I have myspace and facebook, but have not clicked on either of these logos, so I don't see how facebook should know who is on my contacts list."

Do you sync your Facebook contacts with your phone?

8/27/2011 12:48:06 PM

The British government rolled out facial recognition technology against the rioters...never heard more about that though.

8/27/2011 12:49:42 PM

Quote :

"LOL you use hotmail"

So? It is the account I have always had. There is no need to change it just because google, or some other service is the fad right now.

Quote :

"it's also pretty creepy when facebook suggests friends to me who i have absolutely no other friends in common with, nor do i ever e-mail them, but i actually know them pretty well. weeeeeeeird"

Did you ever go to school with these people? Maybe you are all listed under NC State, or your high school that you attended.

Quote :

"Do you sync your Facebook contacts with your phone?"

I don't have the internet on my phone.

8/27/2011 2:15:10 PM

I thought this may have been a Shelly Biggs thread.

8/27/2011 2:22:04 PM

Also, OF COURSE Big4Country uses hotmail because google is a "fad right now."

Of. Fucking. Course.

[Edited on August 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2011 2:26:26 PM

Quote :

" I mean, facial recognition software is here. Period. And I think it has a lot of useful implications. However, I think that in this case, the big deal from the public's standpoint is that Facebook is doing this without telling you. As in, you have to opt OUT by default. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable knowing Facebook is building a database on you. "

Do people think Facebook is a benevolent entity that exists to socially network them? They aren't valued at billions for their charity, they don't exist to help people like a government, they make their money by building profiles about people.

Quite literally Facebook knows more about people than they know about themselves, and they have always used this data for marketing.

8/27/2011 2:47:46 PM

^^My sister told me to get a gmail one time because no one uses hotmail anymore. Like I said, I am sticking with hotmail since I have always had that. There is no need to change it just because gmail is said to be better. It's an e-mail address. Who cares if it is @hotmail.com, @aol.com, @gmail.com, @yahoo.com, @ncsu.edu, etc?

[Edited on August 27, 2011 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2011 2:54:54 PM

well to be fair gmail is better

and the only reason I don't use it on the regular is that my oh-so-spiffy alumni e-mail address runs on hotmail

8/27/2011 6:18:55 PM