Itnernships: Get 'Em While They're Still Free

I knew it would only be a matter of time before there would be a brazen direct fee for the right to work for free in the increasingly competitive arenas like DC and NY. The cost of living expenses and net loss incurred by living in those areas are no longer enough to winnow the applicant pool. Again, I blame the administration their poor economy for causing this trend. People are now PAYING to work for free. I expect this to be the standard pretty soon.

NYU is doing it and soon all the shitty schools like NCSU will follow suit because it's going to become the industry standard.

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" Paying $800 to be interns By ANNIE KARNI Posted: 1:36 AM, July 10, 2011 NYU students are now paying for the chance to work for free. The school is charging students up to $825 for unpaid internships at law firms, banks, p.r. companies and arts organizations across the city this fall. For example, students at the School of Continuing and Professional Studies are shelling out $815 for "Marketing, Digital, or Public Relations Internship Program," which offers course credit for working 200 hours over 10 weeks as an intern. "These are not simple internships," an NYU spokeswoman said. "These courses [are] overseen by a faculty member who ensures that the internship is tied to the student's course of study." Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/paying_to_be_interns_TVSXBQt9mOssxiLMriNYFL#ixzz1RizVSeHW "

7/10/2011 1:35:12 PM

Well, it is NYU. They love their money.

And they're not exactly setting industry standards either.

7/10/2011 1:39:22 PM

NYU is a private school

Private schools do what the fuck they want

7/10/2011 1:40:45 PM

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"GeniuSxBoY While learning on the job is an effective method of sustaining higher education in the country, I feel like this it is not the most efficient method of learning for the country. This flawed method adds more burden on the business sector to educate its employees which costs companies money and productivity. It would be more efficient on every level from single business entity all the way to a complicated compilation of a country full of business entities to teach its citizens common knowledge in the educational institutes designed to educate the population. This will save time, money, redundancy, and headaches in order to advance society into a leading example of a fine running machine built to benefit each and every person in society who chooses to participate. 4/23/2011 9:58:22 PM"

Source: Boy, Gene Yussex. "It seems as if public school is uber failing" Thread. http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=612036.



Thank the worthless education system.

7/10/2011 1:41:02 PM

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"Again, I blame the administration their poor economy for causing this trend."

oh my gosh. you are so brilliant. where did you ever come up with this novel idea?

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""These are not simple internships," an NYU spokeswoman said. "These courses [are] overseen by a faculty member who ensures that the internship is tied to the student's course of study.""

and, not to burst your bubble, but there are already courses like this at NCSU. they are internships for credit so...i guess i kind of get the fee

7/10/2011 1:41:48 PM

^^If I pay you 800 dollars will you teach me the ways of the artisan pizza-master?

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7/10/2011 1:42:31 PM

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"If I pay you 800 dollars will you teach me the ways of the artisan pizza-master?"

Why would I sell you $xxx,xxx information for $800?

7/10/2011 1:45:40 PM

I see no one has heard of co-op fees

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

7/10/2011 1:47:11 PM

Doesn't this happen everywhere? I had to do two 12 week internships for graduate school, they were for credit and cost the same as any other 3 hour class.

The internships were usually paid so you came out ahead, but if you had an unpaid one you would end up short a few hundred bucks.

7/10/2011 1:52:51 PM

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"Marketing, Digital, or Public Relations Internship Program"

This is hardly new for these fields. I'm sure State has lots of similar programs. I know sports management students can enrol in an internship class that gives them a 10 week unpaid internship. Which is basically the same thing NYU is doing.

It really comes down to supply and demand. Look how many comm majors State has. Do you think all those people are going into marketing/PR/etc? There isn't room in the industry. If you want to break in you have to find some way to differentiate yourself and if that means paying money....oh well.

I don't see this happening any time soon with engineering internships though .

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7/10/2011 2:05:02 PM

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"and, not to burst your bubble, but there are already courses like this at NCSU. they are internships for credit so...i guess i kind of get the fee"

yeah for Criminology i had to do 120 hours interning, and the class only met once a week for an hour or so to talk about nothing. so essentially i paid tuition for 4 credit hours to be an intern.

7/10/2011 2:07:55 PM

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"Itnernships"

7/10/2011 2:11:20 PM

damn, Reagan made Gorbachev tear down that wall, too.

7/10/2011 2:36:04 PM

I'm still bitter about having to do this. The summer between my first and second year of graduate school I received credit for two clases for my internship (the actual internship and a directed field research on the internship). The only thing the graduate school did was approve the internship and grade my paper. It was a paid internship, but I don't think I actually came out ahead on the deal.

7/10/2011 3:24:58 PM

I relate, hence my angst as my motivation for generating the OP ^

I often feel that the greatest thing my teachers have over me is an ordainment to certify that I completed something. 99% of all that is accomplished is solely on my own, and I usually understand it better just by studying or doing it on my own.

What's worse - sometimes when you have to kiss a prof's ass they can actually take away from your study time (like if they keep running up to you every time you're in the library)

As far as internships are concerned, fuck, it's just $ down the drain for their business enterprise. Anything free that can eventually be assigned a market value just goes right the fuck away all the time.

7/10/2011 5:41:31 PM

Major in science or engineering, people pay you.

7/10/2011 5:43:10 PM

How is this any different from the internship class at NCSU?

7/10/2011 6:18:13 PM

this is nothing new

when I interned for WNYC I had the option to get course credit for it but chose not to because I would have had to pay tuition to work for free

many internships are only available to full-time students and require course credit

this helps employers circumvent the labor laws that make it illegal to not pay your employees

7/10/2011 6:22:49 PM

Any skilled labor internship is paid. all these unpaid internships are for jobs that are commodities that anyone who is half sober and can show up on time could do.

my first summer job in high school was at a newspaper. I was one of 25 interns. I was the only one not in college and the only one getting paid 12 bucks an hour). why? the other 24 were journalism majors with no skills and no clue what the hell was going on. I knew how to use PhotoShop, write html and visual basic macros.

never interned in college, but every person I knew in an engineering major did, and they made pretty good wages at their internships, and a high percentage landed fulltime jobs as a result.

7/11/2011 4:35:33 AM

I learned skills at my internship that now allow me to bill myself out at between $25 and $40 per hour

it wasn't unpaid either

they gave me $10 per day

7/11/2011 10:25:25 AM

The one internship I worked in college paid $25/hour. Not bad at all for summer work, though the only real marketable skill I gained was data entry

7/11/2011 10:30:51 AM

Back when I co-oped in 2005 I had to pay I think $300 for each co-op rotation.

7/11/2011 10:56:42 AM

^I think it was the same price when I did it in 2006-2007, but you get it paid back in like a week of working an engineering internship

7/11/2011 10:58:31 AM

[old]

I paid $3K this summer to be an intern and will be dropping about $12K later this year as well >_>

(Granted, I get a degree out of it but it does hurt to think how much I'm paying them to work 30-40 hours, depending on the clinic)

7/11/2011 11:01:39 AM