Come from monkeys according to Lon Alterman. I've taken some bullshit courses in my time but Anthropology is complete horse shit.

7/21/2011 1:18:00 PM

Who you calling a homo

7/21/2011 1:24:48 PM

ANTHROPOLOGY!

*smashes glass*

7/21/2011 1:26:29 PM

who you calling a sapien?

7/21/2011 1:26:42 PM

this thread is giving me a homo erectus

7/21/2011 1:28:04 PM

^ 10/10

7/21/2011 4:25:27 PM

Yes, BlackJesus, it is true that world renowned anthropolgists collectively settled on naming the first upright hominid homo erectus, or quite literally in translation big gay boner.

Personally I satisfied my anthro requirement by taking social deviance because I'd rather learn about how to avoid ending up a case study for insider trading and shit than listen to a raging liberal tell me about how we should all be vegetarians and live in the bush and blame our social conditions on artificially dreamed "biological mandates."

7/21/2011 4:30:34 PM

I remember hearing homo erectus today right before I walked out. Glad I switched it to credit only. I'm not going back in that class.

Why I signed up for a class I don't need is beyond me. Big mistake.

7/21/2011 4:33:08 PM

^ you're better off just going and suffering but do what you will


ironic that profs are occasionally so insensitive to the concept that they're basically calling people monkeys sometimes

separate your emotions from the material / master it / overrule it

7/21/2011 4:39:36 PM

Just take soc classes, or Pysch classes. Painfully easy when taught by grad students.

7/21/2011 4:40:57 PM

I thought physical anthro was pretty interesting, but Prof. Alterman is the kind of guy who makes you memorize all bone names/full order of evolution of humans/etc.. The tests were mostly just regurgitation, which sucked.

7/21/2011 4:59:41 PM

if we evolved from monkeys, WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS?

7/21/2011 5:26:07 PM

I'm pretty sure nobody has ever claimed that we evolved from monkeys or even gorrillas.

Apes and monkeys both descended from a common primate ancestor.

Humans and all the other apes both descended from a common ape ancestor.


You and your cousin both descended from your grandma but that doesn't mean you came from your cousin. It baffles me how people continue to bosh this simple logic.

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 5:39 PM. Reason : to go furhter back. all vertebrates descended from a fishlike ancestor.]

7/21/2011 5:38:10 PM

http://dresdencodak.com/2009/08/06/youre-a-good-man-charlie-darwin-2/

7/21/2011 5:39:22 PM

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"I thought physical anthro was pretty interesting, but Prof. Alterman is the kind of guy who makes you memorize all bone names/full order of evolution of humans/etc.. The tests were mostly just regurgitation, which sucked."

I came to college to learn, not memorize random bullshit he spits out in the middle of lectures. I would love the class if the book was useful or if there were powerpoints or something to study off of. There is no way to take good notes with this dude. Its all random garbage off old school slides and his bullshit life stories. Fuck Antropology back to pysch classes to satisfy my GEP requirements.

7/21/2011 11:34:56 PM

^^^ Theres just as much proof of evolution as there is for religion. 0%. When Alterman opens his mouth my brain substitutes bullshit for every word that comes out. And it doesn't help that the class is held in a ice box.

People need to stop wasting their lives trying to answer questions that they will never be able to answer. Just live life.

7/22/2011 12:14:13 AM

I generally don't post in your threads for fear of catching the stupid, but I gotta say that this:

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"People need to stop wasting there lives trying to answer questions that they will never be able to answer."

is just pathetic

7/22/2011 12:22:08 AM

Go pray to jesus or look for your monkey ancestor. Whatever you do leave my thread a never come back.

7/22/2011 12:26:09 AM

back

7/22/2011 12:28:57 AM

So I guess you are infected with the stupid.

7/22/2011 12:30:05 AM

BlackJesus: srs question

If I just started posting, "Y'all n**gaz CRAZY!" in all your threads, would you be offended?

7/22/2011 12:41:03 AM

"Come from monkeys . . ." eh?

7/22/2011 1:11:41 AM

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"Theres just as much proof of evolution as there is for religion. 0%."

Wrong.

Evidence type 1. In the 1970s, we discovered this neat little thing in all forms of life. Its like a huge library of recipes for all of the proteins that cells make. Well it turns out, every single life form has this same library that works the same exact way. In fact, bacteria, can even be programmed to make the exact same gene that humans use to regulate their blood sugar. Also, you know how in baby mama court, they can use this same stuff to tell if somebody is the baby-daddy or not? Well the same logic can be used to see how closely related any two organisms are. It turns out, every living thing is related and all descended from a common ancestor.


Evidence type 2. Every living thing starts its life out simple, as in one cell and then slowly develops into a baby, or whatever you call it when it is an adult. Well it turns out, this progression of all living things from single cells to complex organisms actually mocks the theory that life on earth started off as single celled organisms and slowly progressed to more and more complex organisms. But it gets better. If you actually zoom in to certain specfici organims like vertebrates (anything with a backbone), you can see this very well AND we have the fossils to match (they dig up dead animals and date them using radiometric dating and layering techniques, the deeper layers in sedimentary rock represent older times) Well when you match this you get the idea that fish came first then amphibians then reptiles then mammals. Then this is what really sells it


every single vertabrate stars off as a fish with a tail then develops flaps which may later develop into limbs and the tail may or may not fuse later on. This all happens in exactly the same order fossil evidence would suggest.

To believe in evolution all you need to believe in are four things.

1.Inheritance-traits come from parents
2.Adaptations-Traits that are useful where you are lead to more children and traits that are bad die off
3.Migration/Isolation- If two groups of the same organism went to two different environments then they would adapt differently
4.Time- If they adapt differently long enough, they will become different species. and we are talking BILLIONS OF YEARS FOR LIFE TO EVOLVE. I think this is the one creationists struggle with the most since they belive the world was made yesterday.

If you don't believe in evolution then you HAVE to disagree with one of those four things.

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"look for your monkey ancestor "

nobody claims monkeys are our ancestors. They are more like a distant cousin. All of our ancestors are extinct.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 1:46 AM. Reason : wow]

7/22/2011 1:45:09 AM

stategrad100 I would be flattered by the attention.

7/22/2011 10:35:41 AM

^^ that's a fantastic picture.

My former roommate held the belief that even though humans and apes have similar dna, we're not related and we didn't evolve from apes.
Oh, and she's a biochem major. I don't get this kind of thinking.

7/22/2011 10:44:53 AM

Ibt troll thread pic

7/22/2011 11:24:13 AM

aaronburro you obviously didn't evolve from a monkey.

You sir, evolved from an Ass.

7/22/2011 11:51:09 AM

ITT The E Man dismantles fundamental ideals of Christianity while supporting the Catholic church.


In a classic Catholic church style. woo woo.

7/22/2011 12:37:06 PM

God gave us science. Do you really think God would try to trick us or want us to be ignorant fools or would he gives us information and tools that allow us to discover amazing medical breakthroughs?

Is insulin treatment the work of the devil?

7/22/2011 5:05:47 PM

Well she's partly right. We did not evolve from apes. We have, instead, a common ancestor. As in, both Humans and Chimps share a great*10^20 grandmother. Thus we are not evolved from apes. More similar to extremely distant cousins than to ancestors.

7/22/2011 5:33:30 PM

You've got it wrong. We ARE evolved from apes because we ARE apes duh. Its monkeys that we are not evolved from.

7/22/2011 7:05:42 PM

ITT The E Man not only creates his own God, which helps his secular world view; he also confuses inter-species evolutionary science, with science that actually accomplishes something.

7/22/2011 7:44:14 PM

Lab-made insulin is a result of inter-species evolutionary science. Science is science anyway. Its a process of knowing things instead of a set of fields. Science has nothing to do with faith. Faith is what we believe. Science is the process through which we know things.

7/22/2011 7:57:33 PM

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"Faith is what we believe. Science is the process through which we know things."

And how these have nothing to do with each other is beyond me.

And how exactly is lab made insulin a result of inter-species evolutionary science?

I'm not talking about the fact that certain hormones can be replicated from animals, as that is certainly true, but making hormones from animals does not have to conclude that we evolved from animals. My example would be synthroid can be taken from pig thyroid.

But hey you just keep eating up what the Catholic church is spoon feeding you, I'm sure that they have good intentions, other than the Crusades, and the Holocaust, and the slaughter of the Serbs, and just about 1500 years of persecuting people and hating basic human freedom, I'm sure they are the one true church. AMIRITE?

7/22/2011 8:09:05 PM

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"Theres just as much proof of evolution as there is for religion. 0%"

proof? sure. evidence? not even close to being true.

7/22/2011 8:11:38 PM

Don't play the "nothing can be proven" game. When every single of the different types of evidence all point in the same direction and confirm each other, thats basically truth/fact.

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"I'm not talking about the fact that certain hormones can be replicated from animals, as that is certainly true, but making hormones from animals does not have to conclude that we evolved from animals. My example would be synthroid can be taken from pig thyroid."

Every single life form has the same exact DNA that functions the same way, three letter codes made out of five complex chemicals. These chemicals bond the same exact way and are copied, and moved throughout the cell the same exact way in every life form. The different orderings of these three letter codes is what make them different. Every organism inherits orderings from our parents. With only that information, its commons sense that we are all share a common parent or there would be several different types of DNA and RNA. To go even further, the mitochondria was once an organism that fused to become part of an early eukaryotic cell. All subsequen eukaryotic cells have inherited this mitochondria and that is also confirmed via generational DNA that can be extracted from mitochondria. Good thing thats not the only information, we have at least 4 other brands of science that lead to the same conclusion as the logic here.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 8:39 PM. Reason : naive ]

7/22/2011 8:36:45 PM

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"When every single of the different types of evidence all point in the same direction and confirm each other, thats basically truth/fact. "

no, not really. If you don't have the right vantage-point, then your observation can be misleading. But hey, keep preaching on about fact and talking out your ass. People like you are exactly what's wrong with science.

7/22/2011 8:54:22 PM

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"With only that information, its commons sense that we are all share a common parent or there would be several different types of DNA and RNA"

I don't share the opinion that it's common sense, nor is science normally explained via common sense.

Since what you stated is your "evidence" for evolution and not a ramification of the theory, I'll go ahead and assume that lab made insulin did not have any ramification from inter-species evolutionary theory, to support its development.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2011 8:57:49 PM

Maybe we should fix science by taking out all the scientists and replacing them with theocrats

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM. Reason : no wonder science has never produced anything. its not being done correctly]

^common sense isn't being used to explain anything. Its being used to infer something that all the other evidence already tell you anyway.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:01 PM. Reason : Just a way of double checking the evidence. ]

The insulin would not work if we weren't related to bacteria

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:02 PM. Reason : k]

7/22/2011 8:58:29 PM

How did I claim that? You're jumping to conclusions and saying it's because they are common sense. How am I the one who is butchering science?

7/22/2011 9:02:45 PM

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" The insulin would not work if we weren't related to bacteria"

You're going to need to explain this.

7/22/2011 9:03:19 PM

You can take a gene out of any organism and put it into another organism and those same 6 molecules in the order of a certain code, tell the cell to go and get the same set of amino acids and assemble them the same exact way.

This is like typing a specific command into a computer and getting the same result no matter what computer you used. All cells use the same method of reading information based on the ordering of the same six unique molecules assembling proteins, transcribing it into then translating it into the building blocks of proteins. Same code= same protein no matter what type of cell you use.

The fact that I can take a code for human insulin, plug it into a bacterium and that bacterium will assemble human insulin flawlessly is further evidence that we are indeed related.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:19 PM. Reason : remember we aren't taking any of the ingredients. just putting a code into the cell and it does rest]

7/22/2011 9:19:13 PM

So what you found is completely independent of evolutionary theory. Just because cells behave in a similar fashion does not mean that we evolved from single cell organisms. I fail to see how inter species evolutionary theory was necessary for that find.

7/22/2011 9:24:47 PM

Thats not similar fashion. Cells behave in the same fashion and are made up of the same codes. DNA is what makes everything the way it is and DNA is exactly the same. RNA is exactly the same. For eukaryotes, transcription, translation and storage of DNA are all EXACTLY the same for every single cell.

^Thats the beauty of it. No one piece of evidence was necessary for any of the other pieces of evidence. When you get to the same conclusion through multiple processes that are all independent of each other, thats when you have fact.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM. Reason : the fact that you don't need anything else to know that is why its so solid. ]

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"But hey you just keep eating up what the Catholic church is spoon feeding you"

Thats the thing. The Catholic church doesn't feed me anything. I just go by the science and while science continues to make advances, the Catholic church will continue to concede to truths while evangelicals will look more and more silly.

Just wait till the day we cofirm life away from Earth. The pope probably already has a statement prepared saying something like God has likely made life in several places not just Earth while evangelicals will claim its not real

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 9:35 PM. Reason : d]

7/22/2011 9:30:33 PM

Yes, but what I am saying is this does not mean we evolved from a single cell organism. All it indicates is that all contains on the identical parts on the cellular level.

7/22/2011 9:33:13 PM

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"the fact that you don't need anything else to know that is why its so solid."

So because something is "apparent" though you don't have direct evidence for it, you proclaim it as fact? No, you postulate a theory, but you don't proclaim it as fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. I don't see why you need all life evolved from a single cell to come to the realization that all life has identical cellular function, that would seem self apparent to me.

7/22/2011 9:36:01 PM

Right but that is just another of several pieces of ammunition needed to make the inference.

So which is it that you don't believe in from my big post? I numbered four concepts that lead to evolution. 1, 2, 3, and 4. Is 4.time the only one you disagree with?

Do you think the field of chemistry is rubbish?

7/22/2011 9:39:48 PM

I'm saying that you are making inferences, your inferences are a theory, they are not a fact. I also don't see how identical cell structure MUST indicate common ancestry. All it indicates to me is all life functions identically, which is inline with scripture.

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"Just wait till the day we cofirm life away from Earth. The pope probably already has a statement prepared saying something like God has likely made life in several places not just Earth while evangelicals will claim its not real "

There's nothing in scripture that says life on other planets can't exist.

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"I just go by the science and while science continues to make advances, the Catholic church will continue to concede to truths while evangelicals will look more and more silly."

You make it sound like inter-species evolutionary science is something other than just a 'popular science." Are you an evolutionary biologist? The reason this is the case is because anyone can say, Cells in different species are identical, thus we all evolved from a single cell organism, and it took billions of years. All you are doing is postulating points and forming a theory about them. The theory of interspecies evolution is lacking in direct evidence. It can have all the indirect inferred evidence it wants, and that is what it has. People say look at the ends, they must be a product of these means, without considering other options. And to be honest it makes sense for a scientist who does not believe in a God, or shares a secular view of God, such as yourself, to have this opinion, since what scientist is going to postulate that the reason all cells function identically, is because God made it so?

7/22/2011 9:52:48 PM

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"All you are doing is postulating points and forming a theory about them. The theory of interspecies evolution is lacking in direct evidence."

This is just one type of evidence and this leads to a theory. The problem is EVERY OTHER type of evidence leads to the same exact theory independent of the evidence here.

There are other types of evidence and some or more direct than other and some cover the areas that this lacks. We can watch short-generation organisms evolve right in front of our eyes. Again, go back to my long post and tell me which of the other three you disagree with. Why do you think we need new antibiotics all the time? Bacteria adapt to the environment by having the bacteria that are killed by antibiotics die off leaving only the ones with resistant genes in the gene pool, several generations later, you have a different bacteria that doesn't die at all from the old antibiotic.

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". It can have all the indirect inferred evidence it wants, and that is what it has. People say look at the ends, they must be a product of these means, without considering other options"

We have four types of evidence for evolution that all agree but don't prove evolution. This problem is solved because we have the MECHANISM for evolution and know that the four parts of the this mechanism are undeniable (the 4 i listed in that long post) If you disagree with evolution then you have to completely reject one of the 4 pieces of the mechanism.

If all we had was evidence then evolution would only be likely but its fact since we have the mechanism to go along with the evidence.

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"what scientist is going to postulate that the reason all cells function identically, is because God made it so?"

God did make it so because God make life to evolve the way it has.

7/22/2011 10:09:11 PM

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"If they adapt differently long enough, they will become different species."

That's the ringer.

You listed 3 different ideas, which could support intra-species evolution then you suddenly jump to the conclusion that from intra-species evolution we now get inter-species evolution.

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"God did make it so because God make life to evolve the way it has."

Must be easy to be a "God fearing man" when your God conforms to whatever world view you want to have.

7/22/2011 10:16:13 PM