http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/curiosity-did-god-create-the-universe.html

An episode on Discovery Channel.

Pretty amazing... i'm not sure if this has been addressed this directly on TV before.

They do a good job of dismantling Religion so far, but they don't really address the "god" question in any unique way...

8/7/2011 11:50:25 PM

Reasonable skepticism in Chit Chat? It's more likely than you think.

8/7/2011 11:51:56 PM

NO

8/7/2011 11:52:58 PM

NGC has a show called "The Whale that ate Jews"

or that's what i thought i said at first...

8/7/2011 11:54:13 PM

The Jonah whale?

8/7/2011 11:54:42 PM

theres enough unknowns to be able to chalk it up to a higher power

8/7/2011 11:54:49 PM

To answer your question OP:

8/7/2011 11:55:16 PM

[NO]

8/7/2011 11:57:16 PM

^^^ but which one? The buddhists make the most sense really.

[Edited on August 7, 2011 at 11:57 PM. Reason : ]

8/7/2011 11:57:41 PM

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"Religion's in the hands of some crazy-ass people."

8/7/2011 11:58:54 PM

No, God plagiarized the universe

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:00 AM. Reason : sp ]

8/7/2011 11:58:58 PM

there is no which one, and the people who want to pinpoint it are the most wrong

8/7/2011 11:59:10 PM

Maybe plagiarized too?

8/7/2011 11:59:23 PM

Oh snapsap!

8/8/2011 12:00:03 AM

I believe so.

8/8/2011 12:00:13 AM

ITT we all rationalize like we know how it happened while we obviously do not.

8/8/2011 12:00:15 AM

Oooh, they are having a followup discussion with other scientists/experts (Stephen Hawking did the previous show).

They have some theology guy on the panel of experts.

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:02 AM. Reason : ]

8/8/2011 12:00:45 AM

^^ but we know how it couldn't have happened...

8/8/2011 12:02:50 AM

what do you believe couldn't have happened

8/8/2011 12:03:25 AM

What are you implying?

8/8/2011 12:05:00 AM

i don't believe man is able to know how the universe was created

8/8/2011 12:05:08 AM

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"i don't believe man is able to know how the universe was created"

Even Biblical evidence does not adequately address this fact, due to relevance. Scripture is the history of our relationship with God, not God's relationship to the universe.

8/8/2011 12:06:23 AM

i'm not glad that we'll probably never know

the uncertainty keeps religions around and all the violence and misery they bring to this earth

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:12 AM. Reason : s]

8/8/2011 12:12:23 AM

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"what do you believe couldn't have happened "

- earth created in 7 literal days
- earth created in the steps/order laid out in the Bible

- the bird "Nyx" existing before the universe (Greek mythology)

- two "feathered serpents" "thought" the universe into existence (Apache)

- the product of hermaphroditic infatuation (paganism)

8/8/2011 12:13:31 AM

I'm glad to know that everyone is wrong and that there is a higher being but all of you fucks have completely misunderstood his works

8/8/2011 12:14:03 AM

why do you think it's 7 literal days

8/8/2011 12:15:18 AM

I don't think it is, but many people do, and those people are wrong.

If you're asking me to individually address the views of every 7 billion humans on earth... that's a daunting task.

The point is that modern science has eliminated the majority of creation stories of known religions as being impossible with the observable universe. :-\

8/8/2011 12:16:49 AM

I think you're over exaggerating with that 7 billion comment

8/8/2011 12:17:27 AM

Well... what do you want to know? If you propose your hypothesis for how the earth/universe was created, i'll tell you whether it is possible or not given what we know from science.

8/8/2011 12:19:27 AM

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"- earth created in 7 literal days - earth created in the steps/order laid out in the Bible"

I've addressed this before that the 7 days are representative to the time which man's place was being prepared on the Earth, thus the Earth, could have existed for billions of years before than, but the act of creation of life upon the Earth, and the other acts, are implied as mostly miraculous supernatural occurrences wrought by God.

8/8/2011 12:19:38 AM

so you're telling me that man has taken the story of god and exaggerated it? you dont say

8/8/2011 12:20:45 AM

But how you know what really has happened? All you can give me is your hypothesis (or other scientists')


No one can give fact, so why do you give a fuck what other people think

8/8/2011 12:21:57 AM

The problem is every time I try to talk about the Gospel people ask me to explain how God created the Earth.

8/8/2011 12:22:02 AM

sorry, I think it's fucking stupid and arrogant to think that we can put god in a simple book and claim that thats his word

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:24 AM. Reason : .]

8/8/2011 12:23:59 AM

I think it's simple and straightforward. Should God have made it more complicated for people to be saved?

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:25 AM. Reason : ]

8/8/2011 12:25:02 AM

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"I've addressed this before that the 7 days are representative to the time which man's place was being prepared on the Earth, thus the Earth, could have existed for billions of years before than, but the act of creation of life upon the Earth, and the other acts, are implied as mostly miraculous supernatural occurrences wrought by God. "

This doesn't solve any of the logical or practical problems with this particular creation mythology...

I can, and have for more than a decade, accepted that the story of Genesis as figurative, which is what you're saying. The problem then is you can't get people, even real Christians, to agree which parts are figurative and which aren't, which means that you can't know who to listen to. Your answer is going to be to seek the truth yourself, which is fine, but what happens when my truth is vastly different than yours? And a large scale, this process points towards religion merely being an entirely human process, an idea that undermines religion, which someone like you would obviously reject outright.

8/8/2011 12:25:05 AM

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"No one can give fact, so why do you give a fuck what other people think"

Agreed, who can say that these guys don't have an inside track to what god wants?

8/8/2011 12:26:44 AM

I didn't say it was figurative, I said that it occurred by supernatural occurrence according to the Word of God, who is the Christ. I'm merely saying it is impossible to determine the age of the Earth from scripture, but it is possible to determine the age of man on the Earth.

8/8/2011 12:27:27 AM

but heaven forbid you're truth is different from someone elses


and then they try to apply that to secular law

8/8/2011 12:27:31 AM

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"The problem is every time I try to talk about the Gospel people ask me to explain how God created the Earth. "

haha, you remind me SOO MUCH of someone i know IRL... this person can easily dismiss the "logical" quandaries of the Bible because, like you, the "relationship" is the most important part.

But the fact of the matter is that not everyone is like you, not everyone's brain works like yours. You can't expect people to just wave off these very critical questions...

It's like that "5 Love Languages" book people have been throwing around recently (you know this book was written by a Christian? He's a preacher at a church in Winston Salem...). Just because you "communicate" with God by the "feeling" doesn't mean everyone's language with God is the same. If my language or someone else's is more critical and skeptical and you are asking people to just ignore these instincts, you come off as cruel and uncaring when people ask these types of questions.

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" I'm merely saying it is impossible to determine the age of the Earth from scripture, but it is possible to determine the age of man on the Earth."

first, NO, it's not possible to determine the "age of man on Earth." That's just goal-post moving when you realize the classical ideas about the Earth being 7k years old are definitively proven wrong by modern science.

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:30 AM. Reason : ]

8/8/2011 12:28:33 AM

sorry, I think it's fucking stupid and arrogant to think that we can put god in a simple book and claim that thats his word

8/8/2011 12:28:34 AM

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"but heaven forbid you're truth is different from someone elses and then they try to apply that to secular law"

What do you think the Catholic church did for half a millenia? You make it sound like I'm so sort of pusher trying to push my agenda. I spread clear Gospel doctrine according to scripture, if anyone wants to claim I'm "interpreting or spinning" scripture they can be my guest, it wouldn't be the first time I've been corrected.

But when I have people come and say to me that I need to save myself by works, this is a deep and obvious flaw in fundamental Christian thinking, that not only destroys the sacrifice of Christ, but exalts man to the level of God.

8/8/2011 12:30:19 AM

they were wrong

8/8/2011 12:31:16 AM

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"But when I have people come and say to me that I need to save myself by works, this is a deep and obvious flaw in fundamental Christian thinking, that not only destroys the sacrifice of Christ, but exalts man to the level of God. "

WOOAAHHH!!

Where did this come from? That's not what this thread is about...

8/8/2011 12:31:46 AM

You make it sound like they've changed. When they take back everything they lost, I believe a grim smile will cross my face.

8/8/2011 12:32:03 AM

RELIGION


RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR



MY OPINION IS BETTER THAN YOURS


LOOK AT ME, I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD


BOW DOWN TO ME INSTEAD






I took communion today and it was nice. Time for some cheese.

8/8/2011 12:32:06 AM

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"I took communion today and it was nice."

There is no salvation in works, nor ritual nor sacrifice, all was accomplished by Christ, I wish people would just see this and stop thinking they have to subscribe to some "church" for salvation.

8/8/2011 12:33:24 AM

ITT people ask questions then ignore the answers. Classic.

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 12:33 AM. Reason : ]

8/8/2011 12:33:31 AM

I wasn't singling yo out, I was just making an observation, but yes the catholic church was wrong


and yes the protestant churc was wrong

and yes every fucking church we've ever known has been wrong because it was created by a humans who can NEVER understand the concept of god

8/8/2011 12:34:22 AM

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"LOOK AT ME, I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD BOW DOWN TO ME INSTEAD"

i don't think anyone has ever said that ever in the history of tww

8/8/2011 12:34:29 AM