Anyone have any exposure to this in the workplace? Any opinions of it?

8/17/2011 9:51:59 AM

what exactly do you mean

8/17/2011 9:54:04 AM

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

8/17/2011 9:54:41 AM

they are probably lazier than us, like we were lazier than the previous generation, and so on

8/17/2011 9:55:07 AM

My former field engineer was awesome. I mean if you spelled out what he needed to do he would do it better and faster than anything you could imagine.. untile he ran into an unexplained situation and he was stumped like a roomba under a barstool.

but i think he was a 1 in 10 shot the rest don't want to do shit

8/17/2011 9:58:02 AM

everyone says the same thing about the generation following their own. fact of the matter is kids will be kids and have their own style, some good and some bad. either way kids turn into adults and rise to the occasion when need be. it's worked for millions of years, so i don't see it stopping just because of real housewives of nj.

8/17/2011 9:58:08 AM

^^^ Good point Bigman. I never thought of it like that.

I do feel like there is a feeling of "entitlement" with the new generation, no appreciation for what they have...

8/17/2011 10:00:43 AM

our parents didn't appreciate not having to endure a depression, we don't appreciate growing up with multiple car households, kids today don't appreciate tvs in their rooms and high speed internet. its all the same shit, really.

8/17/2011 10:02:59 AM

^^

how young are the people you are talking about and what evidence to you have to back this

8/17/2011 10:04:17 AM

Aw, you guys are trying so hard to be philosophical lol.

8/17/2011 10:04:18 AM

I really think those of us approaching 30 aren't that lazy but when technology was thrown into the mix those of us who grew up with computers are much quicker than even those approaching 40.

I know i could engineer and cad a building faster then the older CAD operators could CAD what a Senior engineer had sketched out by hand for them.

yet since i was the new guy the senior cad operator got paid more than i did and the senior engineer got paid twice what i did and took twice as long to do it. (i made them 4x the money of some of the senior staff) Now... i think they should get off my back for a lil tww time.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:05 AM. Reason : .]

8/17/2011 10:04:49 AM

Isn't that a main point of furthering technology and working for the future?


I mean are there really people who want their children to have it just as "hard" as they did?
I thought the point was to work for an easier future....


[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ehhhh..]

8/17/2011 10:10:19 AM

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.

8/17/2011 10:11:43 AM

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"yet since i was the new guy the senior cad operator got paid more than i did and the senior engineer got paid twice what i did and took twice as long to do it. (i made them 4x the money of some of the senior staff)"

What do you think the chances of them keeping you around when you are the older slower senior engineer and they hire a new guy t hat can do it 4x faster than you? Do you think they will extend you the same courtesy by keeping you around as they did your inefficient senior?

8/17/2011 10:12:25 AM

I hope my children work just as hard if not harder than I have. I don't think the objective is to have a lazy populace

8/17/2011 10:12:30 AM

old people itt

8/17/2011 10:12:57 AM

^^exactly.

they work just as hard but achieve even better results because of the road we as adults have paved for them.



[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:13 AM. Reason : sfhjdks]

8/17/2011 10:13:23 AM

i dunno, the college grad I hired in June is better than half of my veteran team already in terms of ability and work ethic.

I definitely see some evidence of an entitled generation with these gen Y'ers, but the baby boomers said the same thing about us Gen Xers.

Then again, which generation is running our government? They pretty much suck.

8/17/2011 10:14:56 AM

yeah they're a bunch of secretly gay homophobes that want to rule the world but can't come to any decision because it may help the other guy rule the world

8/17/2011 10:17:00 AM

i totally had to google what dates generation y is vs generation x.

it seems as though i fall on the line of both.

probably a yer

8/17/2011 10:18:04 AM

(i would like to add that i usually work 10 hour days 5 days a week on salary so i don't think anyone cares that i piddle when i'm waiting for something to download/upload from the ny server)

8/17/2011 10:19:01 AM

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"Then again, which generation is running our government? They pretty much suck."

those kids who were seniors in Dazed and Confused...


it's them

8/17/2011 10:19:20 AM

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"stumped like a roomba under a barstool"

I LOL'd.

8/17/2011 10:19:33 AM

Pretty much anyone under the age of 23 I've worked with had been a nightmare in regards to work ethic.

8/17/2011 10:20:24 AM

8/17/2011 10:20:53 AM

^^ really? how so?

8/17/2011 10:22:27 AM

This thread stupid. There are good ones, there are bad ones, just like anything. All of these expectations, and views of the 'next' generation are just PERSONAL opinions. They get hired all the time, if they work out, great, and if they suck, oh well they will find a way to get rid of you and hire someone else. Honestly I have seen people of all age groups to suck, I have see supervisors go out of their way to help a new employee get great training, and I have also seen the opposite. This is stupid trying to blame poor work ethic on the 'next' generation. I have seen veteran workers take 'shortcuts' like its nobody's business in the workplace.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:28 AM. Reason : /]

8/17/2011 10:24:44 AM

^ I'll second that

8/17/2011 10:27:10 AM

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"If we're fucked up, you're to blame -B182"

8/17/2011 10:27:27 AM

While we are making generalizations ITT, I blame the blacks.

8/17/2011 10:32:16 AM

And in addition to that, if you are the hiring party, and you find yourself consistently recruiting people with poor work ethic, lets also consider your screening skills. Nothing I hate more that 'seasoned' workers gossiping about a 23 yo that they think is lazy, or not smart enough, or whatever, when this could be true or not, its not like this should really be a frequently occurring gossip session. Again, if this is the case, you need to evaluate the HR and hiring managers.

If you are trying to be philosophical, the culture of the workplace usually is the greatest (but not the only) factor to drive the work ethic. They work hard you, you work hard - they take 'shortcuts', you take 'shortcuts'. I know that an individual could still have great work ethic in the mist of some lazy people, or a poor work environment, but just don't discount the culture. Also, a manager/worker relationship is different from a worker/worker relationship, so the you could have one side thinking you are a hard worker, but behind closed doors you are in cahoots with others to have the most mediocre take on your job.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason : /]

8/17/2011 10:32:44 AM

I'm the next-to-youngest person in my workplace. The youngest guy works pretty damn hard. Both of us are usually here til about 30 minutes after everyone else.

8/17/2011 10:43:13 AM

yeah i stayed later then everyone who didn't hate their wife at my old office.

there were some people who were in the office googling crap till 7 just to not be at home.

8/17/2011 10:57:10 AM

^ haha that's terrible

8/17/2011 11:14:52 AM

Part of it is that we both get in around 9, whereas everyone else rolls up here at 5-6am. There's one guy that I swear does 3 lines of coke at 4am as soon as he gets here and is amped until he leaves at lunchtime. This is what you get when you allow such a flexible work schedule.

8/17/2011 11:20:58 AM

Ymwv depending on the person.

8/17/2011 11:35:36 AM

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"our parents didn't appreciate not having to endure a depression"

Very confused.

8/17/2011 11:40:39 AM

how late you stay is often a game of appearances. You don't want to be the first guy to leave because it looks bad.

8/17/2011 11:40:56 AM

i think that is still true but a new trend i have seen is that it looks bad if you aren't sending emails at ridiculous hours of the morning

i work 9-5...but usually dart out around 4:30 or 4:45, because I know I will spend an hour or two doing email during the evenings

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason : df]

8/17/2011 11:45:32 AM

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"those kids who were seniors in Dazed and Confused... it's them "

You seriously made me lol IRL.

8/17/2011 11:46:08 AM

I keep clicking in this thread thinking it's about Star Trek

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM. Reason : while I'm at work ]

8/17/2011 12:12:53 PM

I enjoy working at a place where the random "late" or "early" hours I send emails and the appearance of how late I stay in the office don't mean much so I don't have to worry about it. I work hard everyday and go beyond my job description with what I do and how I do it and don't worry about the when - besides actually making deadlines. (I guess part of it has to do with a boss who is very down-to-earth and has opinions about work that line up with mine).

The way I view it, half the time people are working "late" or "early" it is due to the fact they didn't get stuff done on time or correct in the first place or if they are just doing it for appearances, it doesn't look any better to me to do the same amount of work in more time as I did in less time. In other words, the only time I stay late is if I am actually working on something.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2011 12:51:54 PM

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"The next generation's work ethic "

The definition of a job is you paying them to stand inside your business rather than them playing with their friends.

In other words, we should have to pay them for their time away from fun. Jobs to the next generation have nothing to do with actually working.

8/17/2011 1:09:14 PM

Picard keeps everyone in check pretty well imo.

8/17/2011 1:29:26 PM

Minka should post a picture of herself in a Star Trek uniform.

8/17/2011 1:38:16 PM

I can't believe how fucking old TWW is

8/17/2011 1:42:06 PM

But they're obviously breaking child labor laws letting him fly the ship all the time, how can you say thats lazy?

8/17/2011 2:50:55 PM

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"Minka should post a picture of herself in a Star Trek uniform. "

I do need a uniform though

8/17/2011 2:55:13 PM

lol OP is excellent troll

8/17/2011 2:56:14 PM

8/17/2011 2:58:53 PM