Plz to embed

http://youtu.be/yljorp5Mgqs

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The res doesn't rise at YouTube so there is no benefit of watching it on the site.










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10/2/2011 11:05:17 AM

cool thread bro

10/2/2011 11:10:02 AM

hey I don't care who watches it, but I've been listening for 19 years.

10/2/2011 11:13:29 AM

so thats why you posted it on tww?

10/2/2011 11:20:20 AM

look at my fucking name

10/2/2011 11:20:43 AM

cool name bro

10/2/2011 11:23:06 AM

WORST GUITAR SOLO/CIRCLEJERK EVER

10/2/2011 11:25:04 AM

not opening the link, but curious if this was one of the many songs they stole/ripped off, or one of their "originals"?

10/2/2011 11:26:52 AM

Answer: Ripped Off and Got Sued

Quote :

"Led Zeppelin members Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones and John Bonham were credited with writing this song. Howlin' Wolf, the late Chester Burnett, had recorded a song called "How Many More Years" in 1951, and all new Led Zeppelin releases since 1993 have co-credited the song to the Burnett via arrangement with his publishing company, ARC Music. "

Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NjXs_nXB5U


[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 11:28:26 AM

10/2/2011 11:32:35 AM

lots of Zeppelin songs are old ballads from the 1920's or early even, that people think are "original" Led Zeppelin songs. You want to know what makes them "original"? It's when you play it better than anyone before you, since the person who wrote the song most likely did not perform it back then. Led Zeppelin loved the idea of this and there are over 20 that I know of.


How can you fault a band for playing songs they loved, do you think they didn't know they weren't originals and people would never find this out? It is so funny because at the level Led Zeppelin is viewed by the music scene most people don't know it.





[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason : _]

10/2/2011 12:05:29 PM

u mad

10/2/2011 12:11:58 PM

no I am actually laughing

it took them 40 years to have to co credit someone on a huge song

got sued is a little much, all they wanted was co credit for writing it

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM. Reason : _]

10/2/2011 12:13:07 PM

Led Zeppelin makes Nirvana look like they were educated at Juilliard.

10/2/2011 12:16:04 PM

1960's vs late 1980's hmmmmm

10/2/2011 12:17:31 PM

I like it when their drummer loses the beat on their recordings and they all just play noise for a few seconds.

10/2/2011 12:29:54 PM

Live at Leeds Magic Bus, never liked the song until I heard the live version / original EP, which is so drastically different and amazing that it made me love it.

10/2/2011 12:33:48 PM

I vote Zoso in Greensboro in '08

10/2/2011 12:48:35 PM

Quote :

"no I am actually laughing it took them 40 years to have to co credit someone on a huge song got sued is a little much, all they wanted was co credit for writing it"

here is just a few of the songs they've either been formally sued over and lost in court, or have settled out of court over because they knew they were dead to rights.

also listed are the traditional songs that they didn't bother to list proper credit for.

""Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).

"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown." Settled out of court.

"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).

"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.

"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is from "Taurus" by Spirit.

"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

" Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 12:58 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 12:57:21 PM

and, this was their most dubious and sleazy theft --- using Spirit's song "taurus" as the basis for "stairway to heaven".

one of Page's favorite bands, he blatantly rips them off, and takes the main guitar line for his own band. sickening. total pieces of shit with minimal talent.

they were the greatest cover band ever... i'll give you that, i guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhKUfiohxEY

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 1:03:04 PM

Bieber fans in this thread.

Led Zeppelin is the greatest. I stand by that statement, until the Eagles are brought up.

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM. Reason : OH NO DESCENDING NOTES ON GUITAR! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHBVnMf2t]

10/2/2011 1:15:08 PM

^^^

Why did you spend all that time to prove me right? Back in the late 60's the music business was a little different. After Zeppelin became one of the richest bands in the world, people tried to go root around and see how they could get pieces of that money. Led Zeppelin didn't care, they paid the people with true legal charges and didn't think about it. Led Zeppelin is Rock and Roll and no amount of old ballads is going to change that.

Warren Haynes, Chris Robinson, and Mark Ford all sing Hard to Handle and that is covered everywhere, yet it became Chris Robinson (The Black Crowe's) most popular radio song when they became public. Honestly there are only two people who care on the origins of a song. These two are people who either really like the lyrics or they can somehow make money.


Basically crediting songs back then is a lot different than it is now and no one thought about changing Zeppelin albums in any shape or form, besides fixing some audio in the 90's. It should make the US proud that Zeppelin used so many Folk and even Bluegrass songs that honestly originated all around NC (at least Bluegrass).



It is so funny that you bring up songs that have like a single bridge tune that like I said, someone wanted money or credit on a Led Zeppelin album.




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10/2/2011 1:49:48 PM

I'm extremely proud that I had a bicycle that was nice enough that some bum wanted to steal it.

10/2/2011 2:03:24 PM

^^Are you intentionally trying to get them to troll you? The issue isn't that they used those songs, which are all amazing, it's that they either were uncredited or credited as original lyrics to Page, not even credited "traditional" in some cases. No one is arguing that you shouldn't be "proud" of the music.

Quote :

"Warren Haynes, Chris Robinson, and Mark Ford all sing Hard to Handle and that is covered everywhere, yet it became Chris Robinson (The Black Crowe's) most popular radio song when they became public. Honestly there are only two people who care on the origins of a song. These two are people who either really like the lyrics or they can somehow make money."

Your example is unrelated seeing as Chris Robinson correctly credits the song. The music industry may have been different in the 60s but copyright laws were as much real then as they are now.

And I don't think anyone is saying badly of Led Zeppelin for anything other than the alleged Spirit ripoff.

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM. Reason : f]

10/2/2011 2:05:01 PM

they loved American Bluegrass and Folk, it is all in their book by the road manager w/ band quotes.

I don't find them taking a sound they heard and using it in front of hundreds of thousands of people to be negative on the person who was good enough to create the sound.

10/2/2011 2:06:28 PM

It doesn't matter what they allegedly think or what you think, it's law. It's not personal and it's not about how great their music is.

10/2/2011 2:12:40 PM

It's a little fucked up that they tried to pass off some of that music as their own original stuff, but their recordings and interpretations are still good.

10/2/2011 2:17:30 PM

check movies and music now, I would bet you almost any Rap song that is popular has a stolen beat or melody in it. However Rap is much harder to charge because a digital beat is a lot different than a guitar solo. Movies are awful about ripping off the originals these days and I never seen anything saying this is a reproduction of a movie from the 50-70's.

10/2/2011 2:19:23 PM

You just said like five times in this thread that "the music industry was different in the 60's!" so why do you think that's applicable? And "remixing" is not "uncredited covers".

Like seriously it's not a personal offense to Led Zeppelin, it's a documented legal matter over issues of crediting. You don't need to rationalize it.

And movies of motif or cliche that may seem to you to be "ripping off" old movies in theme is incredibly different from a remake or reproduction.

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 2:22 PM. Reason : edit]

10/2/2011 2:21:18 PM

whether or not you find creative merit in rappers sampling old songs, usually they pay money for the sample and give credit for it.

10/2/2011 2:24:47 PM

lets see some proof of Rappers paying musicians for their songs beat or melody or lyrics, besides Jimmy Page with Puff Daddy (BAM)

^^

Quote :

"a digital beat is a lot different than a guitar solo."

The Mechanic is one of my favorite Charles Bronson films and I own the new version and while it is good, the original is still by far the best. However the storyline on them is almost identical in how it starts and finishes, only the locations and action sequences have been changed really.



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10/2/2011 2:28:01 PM

Remember this album? It changed hip-hop forever because of similar issues which are being discussed here. And there will never be another album like it because of these same issues.

10/2/2011 2:37:12 PM

Quote :

"lets see some proof of Rappers paying musicians for their songs beat or melody or lyrics, besides Jimmy Page with Puff Daddy (BAM)"

Hard to find proof of something that happens without anyone even noticing. You would need to find proof of this not happening and rappers being sued about it.

I'm sure there are plenty of examples, but I'd bet $50 that there isn't any rapper who has been sued even half as much as Led Zeppelin.

10/2/2011 2:37:38 PM

Quote :

"Your example is unrelated seeing as Chris Robinson correctly credits the song. The music industry may have been different in the 60s but copyright laws were as much real then as they are now. "

exactly.

it's not about their re-recording of a traditional song or failing to credit, so much as it is about the deceptive and underhanded way they did it by failing to credit artists and in some cases forcing them to actually burn money to sue their asses.

in some of those cases, they directly copied the lyrics or would directly copy guitar riffs. it's fucking plagiarism and an affront to the intellectual property of other artists.

10/2/2011 2:40:59 PM

And in the footsteps of my previous post, let's go full circle in this "be-otch":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdutu8sWmbQ&feature=related
AND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tif1C6dwH6o

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM. Reason : and the list goes on and on, to include "Black Dog" as well ]

10/2/2011 2:42:38 PM

Quote :

"Remember this album? It changed hip-hop forever because of similar issues which are being discussed here. And there will never be another album like it because of these same issues."

i can't tell whether you're trolling or retarded... or never listened to a Girl Talk album, or cannot differentiate between sampling vs. copying music, claiming it as your own, failing to credit said artist and then profiting from their work illegally.

i'm going with trolling, so i don't lose complete faith in humanity.

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 2:44:10 PM

Quote :

"Sampling has been an area of contention from a legal perspective. Early sampling artists simply used portions of other artists' recordings, without permission; once rap and other music incorporating samples began to make significant money, the original artists began to take legal action, claiming copyright infringement. Some sampling artists fought back, claiming their samples were fair use (a legal doctrine in the USA that is not universal)."

Sampling comes under the same fire as "copying". And certainly the example from Stairway to Heaven isn't "copying music, claiming it as your own, failing to credit said artist and then profiting from their work illegally." But then again, your words, not mine

Quote :

"[Girl Talk] produces mashup-style remixes, in which he uses often a dozen or more unauthorized samples from different songs to create a new song. The New York Times Magazine has called his music "a lawsuit waiting to happen," a criticism that Gillis has attributed to mainstream media that wants "to create controversy where it doesn't really exist," citing fair use as a legal backbone for his sampling practices."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM. Reason : the]

10/2/2011 2:49:49 PM

I never said sampling wasn't copying... it's a crutch, imho. Difference being, those who sample do not attempt to pass off the material as their own intellectual property. Led Zeppelin did that with Spirit's "taurus".

My reference to you directly was your statement that an album like Paul's Boutique would never be made again..... when it has been, numerous times.

Also, you're attempting to compare a rap album using cited samples with Led Zeppelin copying this material and, key phrase here so pay attention, passing it off on your own.

as Netstorm correctly pointed out; that's why Zeppelin may be the most sued band in history, because there is an easily distinguishable difference. (provided an artist doesn't do the same as Led Zeppelin and conveniently forget to cite the samples they're using)

eta:
and, holy shit, you had to use wiki to get the point I'm making with GirlTalk (ie. your answer to 80's uncited samplers/and Paul's Boutique)....

better late than never, i guess.



[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 3:02:19 PM

Very well. Accepted.

10/2/2011 3:05:51 PM

am I the only one that finds it funny how long it took these lawsuits to actually happen between the album being made?

Zeppelin could have copied almost any song at the time and made it their own, no matter what random person originally wrote the riff or lyrics. I have demo recordings of Page and Plant doing Beatles covers in their house.

The point is this is Led Zeppelin and there will never be another, who cares if they stole a riff or a few words out of a song. Most of the legal issues were minor, only a few were large scale lawsuits.

I mean shit, Outkast got sued by Rosa Parks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks_%28song%29

Quote :

"In 1999, OutKast and LaFace Records were sued by Rosa Parks over the song. The lawsuit alleged that the song misappropriated Parks' name, and also objected to some of the song's vulgar language. The name of the song was used as a metaphor: the purpose of the song's chorus is to imply that OutKast is overturning hip hop's old order, that people should make way for a new style and sound. Lawyers for Rosa Parks maintained that the lyrics were intended to mean "Be quiet and stop the commotion. OutKast is coming back out [with new music] so all other MCs [mic checkers, rappers, Master of Ceremonies] step aside. Do you want to ride and hang out with us? OutKast is the type of group to make the clubs get hyped-up/excited." [1] The initial lawsuit was dismissed. Parks' representation hired lawyer Johnnie Cochran to appeal the decision in 2001, but the appeal was denied on First Amendment grounds. In 2003, the Supreme Court allowed Parks' lawyers to proceed with the lawsuit."

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 3:23 PM. Reason : _]

10/2/2011 3:20:36 PM

Everyone plays other peoples songs at home and in the studio.

Not everyone puts other peoples songs on their album and claim they wrote them.

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2011 3:21:52 PM

^Obscure folk artists =\= Beatles

I mean really man do you think that's the same thing?

10/2/2011 3:23:47 PM

Jimmy Page did write the music and Plant wrote songs, there are a lot more Zeppelin songs and better ones (like Hey Hey What Can I Do) that are originals than the list above.

Quote :

""Hey Hey What Can I Do" is a song by the English rock group Led Zeppelin released in 1970 as the B-side of "Immigrant Song" outside the United Kingdom. It is Led Zeppelin's only non-album track released during the band's existence. It did however appear on the Atlantic Records UK various artists LP, The New Age of Atlantic, released in 1972. The song was first released on CD in October 1990 on the 4CD Led Zeppelin box set collection. In 1992, "Immigrant Song"/"Hey Hey What Can I Do" was released as a "vinyl replica" CD single. In 1993, "Hey Hey What Can I Do" was included on The Complete Studio Recordings 10 CD boxed set, as one of four bonus tracks on the Coda disc. The song is not included on the individual version of Coda. In 2007 Led Zeppelin released the track online along with the rest of their back catalogue. The song was also released as the B-side of the "Stairway to Heaven" 7" 45 RPM picture disc. Contents"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Hey_What_Can_I_Do


I own the The Complete Studio Recordings 10 CD boxed set, listened to them on records/cassette with my brother when I was 5 until now.


If you have money people will try to find someway to sue you and get a chunk, no matter how small the issue is.





[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM. Reason : _]

10/2/2011 3:24:25 PM

^ Yes, you're 100% correct. The reason they have been sued more than any band in history has nothing to do with their pilfering the hard work of others and has to do more with those other people being big old money hungry meanies.













godalmighty.

10/2/2011 3:36:00 PM

Quote :

"You would need to find proof of this not happening and rappers being sued about it."

back when people used to buy CD's the liner notes for rap albums would include credits to whatever songs were sampled. For example, Notorious BIG's "Juicy" and "One more Chance (Remix)" credited the songs they had sampled.

10/2/2011 3:47:58 PM

Quote :

"^Obscure folk artists =\= Beatles I mean really man do you think that's the same thing?"

Obviously it's not the same, clearly they wouldn't have released a beatles song as their own or they would have been smacked down immediately.

What I meant was that "doing Beatles covers in their house." is something artist probably did at the time, and every artist does covers of someone in their house. So his statement about Zeppelin doing that is irrelevant.

10/2/2011 3:49:45 PM

^^ yea just like Outkast right?

and I just randomly brought up covering The Beatles because I have the recordings.



[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : _]

10/2/2011 3:50:04 PM

Rosa Parks doesn't have a copyright on her name.

10/2/2011 3:53:04 PM

Black Dog is probably the worst led zeppelin song so i commend your giant troll name

I'm Krallum and i approved this message.

10/2/2011 3:59:43 PM

^

10/2/2011 4:17:53 PM