In the technician about a week ago, there was an article entitled "I Love Diversity". This article was written in the wake of the vandalism of the GBQLTDXYZ center in Harrelson. Interestingly enough, the article ended with the line "Homosexuals are the same as everyone else." I am a believer that homosexuals are the same as everyone else, but have different choices and beliefs than heterosexuals. This begs the question, if they are the same as everyone else, how can this be diversity? Why does this university include the GBLWEWTYXT community as being a diverse population? I do not think the person writing this article was a homosexual, but I find it hard to believe that if the gay community believes themselves to be the same as everyone else, that they can be considered diverse. In my opinion, it is the same as having a different favorite color than someone beside you. You differ in opinion as to which color is most attractive, but that is it. Diverse in the most broadest category? Possibly. Diverse enough to claim you are equally as diverse as the diversity between races? No. I didn't choose to be black. If you are diverse, you are different, if you are the same, you are not diverse. You cannot have it both ways. Choose one. Doesn't matter to me which one you choose, just stop with the contradictions.

[Edited on October 25, 2011 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

10/25/2011 10:50:43 AM

"Homosexuals are the same as everyone else."

=

Homosexuals are also humans who eat cupcakes and burgers and fall in love and study and work, etc.

But they are different, hence, diverse, in their sexual choices.

Really, this is a topic?

10/25/2011 11:04:36 AM

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" I am a believer that homosexuals are the same as everyone else, but have different choices and beliefs than heterosexuals."

There's your problem. If sexual preferences is at least in part hereditary, then your entire thesis is rendered invalid.

Then again, the United States considers Religion a category for diversity when that is absolutely 100% choice. So if you're down with religion-based Diversity policies, then you have no leg to stand on either.

10/25/2011 12:14:06 PM

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"I am a believer that homosexuals are the same as everyone else, but have different choices and beliefs than heterosexuals."

well there's your problem right there.

10/25/2011 1:22:06 PM

FYI when you say homosexuals choose to be that way you are basically admitting that you have homosexual urges that you choose to surpress

10/25/2011 1:45:22 PM

you're also admitting that you chose to be attracted to women (if that applies to you)

I, for one, did not.

Learned that in middle school.

10/25/2011 1:47:51 PM

roflpack chose to be straight, pass it on

10/25/2011 1:53:12 PM

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"FYI when you say homosexuals choose to be that way you are basically admitting that you have homosexual urges that you choose to surpress"

For one, that is a circular argument.

This topic wasn't meant to be turned into a choice vs born that way argument.

The line "born that way" is not truthful. You may be born with certain traits, and those traits may even be feminine. You may have a homosexual urge. But that doesn't make you homosexual. Having urges or having a higher pitched voice doesn't make you homosexual, and I have friends that have encountered this and do not claim to be homosexual. Acting upon these urges would however make you homosexual.

It is the same as someone born with an overactive sex drive. They may have plenty of urges to have sex with a woman, and if they acted on it in the wrong circumstances, they would then be called a rapist. Having the urge to steal does not make you a kleptomaniac. Having the urge to kill someone does not make you a murderer. Having the urge to eat a lot of food doesn't make you a glutton. Having an urge to do something with the same sex doesn't make you a homosexual unless you act on it.

There are alot of urges that Humans suppress everyday. Some have to suppress different things than others. There in lies the choice of homosexuality. Acting on those urges, or not.

10/26/2011 12:57:20 AM

You have gotta be kidding me...either that, or retarded.

Acting upon those urges doesn't make them homosexual--it makes them buttfucking gaywads. They were already homosexuals by definition due to the fact that they had those urges to begin with. Do heterosexuals not self-identify as "straight" before they ever actually manage to get it on with a member of the opposite sex? Of course they do.

I will accept that there are likely both nature and nurture components to homosexuality, but it's not a choice, and anyone who contends otherwise is a fucking moron.

10/26/2011 1:15:21 AM

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"This topic wasn't meant to be turned into a choice vs born that way argument. The line "born that way" is not truthful."

srsly, facepalm.

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"Having urges or having a higher pitched voice doesn't make you homosexual, and I have friends that have encountered this and do not claim to be homosexual."

So you have bisexual friends. We're all bisexual to a certain extent, but some people have an unarguable hard-on for men and some for women. Humans are a pair bonding species, although nature reserved some amount of freedom to sleep around.

Some people do, indeed, have a non-obvious choice as to the gender of their partner. Those people are bisexual. They are not homosexual. Some other people would have to be laughably dishonest with themselves to claim they want to be with the opposite gender of their natural disposition. How much wiggle room do you feel there is to date another guy?

Attraction is more than about sex. Are you attracted to the face of your male friends? Do you want to go for long walks on the beach with said friends?

10/26/2011 9:00:35 AM

I love you Duke, no homo.

10/26/2011 9:03:03 AM

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" You may have a homosexual urge. But that doesn't make you homosexual "

Lol you're such a faggot in denial

10/26/2011 9:15:32 AM

Masturbating to gay porn is okay too, guys, as long as you don't actually have gay sex you're not a homo.

10/26/2011 9:21:13 AM

wait, what about quickies in airport public bathrooms?

Those are cool, right?

10/26/2011 9:22:06 AM

It's not gay if you're the pitcher and don't give a reacharound.

10/26/2011 9:31:08 AM

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"Masturbating to gay porn is okay too, guys, as long as you don't actually have gay sex you're not a homo."

That sounds like an action to me.

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"Acting upon those urges doesn't make them homosexual--it makes them buttfucking gaywads. They were already homosexuals by definition due to the fact that they had those urges to begin with. Do heterosexuals not self-identify as "straight" before they ever actually manage to get it on with a member of the opposite sex? Of course they do."

So then, were you able to 100% pick out the people that would grow up and be homosexual or heterosexual in elementary school? No. Can you tell when they start dating someone? Yes, because they acting and displaying a clear preference with their actions. I'm not going to call anyone gay unless they do something gay, and I have a hard time believing that someone that is controlling their urges would want to be called gay, just as no one that has urges to do drugs but is now in control of that would want to be defined as an addict. And that doesn't have anything to do with going all the way with sex, I used that as an extreme.

In my opinion, people are defined by their actions. How on earth you can define someone by their desires is beyond me. Obviously it is a lost cause attempting to hold an intelligent conversation with people who completely reject any new thought and resort to name calling.

If you would actually read what I'm trying to convey, you would realize that if people were defined by actions rather than urges, then those who may have those urges but control them would not be defined as "faggots", and the gay community could call themselves whatever they like for all I care.

This is basically what you are saying:

[Man with homosexual urges]: Hey I have these urges sometimes, but I don't like them and I do not act upon them because I don't want to do that.

[Man with no homo urges]: Oh, ok, well you're a faggot.

[Man with homosexual urges]: .....

That's ridiculous, moronic, heartless, and retarded. Just because science may define someone that way, doesn't mean we have to, for their sake. If they're proud of it then that's fine, but if they aren't, then it doesn't make sense to label them like that.

10/26/2011 12:07:08 PM

to the OP which sounds like debating the definition of the terms "same as everyone else" and "diverse" but how "same as everyone else" is used in the article probably was referring to..

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"Homosexuals are also humans who eat cupcakes and burgers and fall in love and study and work, etc. But they are different, hence, diverse, in their sexual/lifestyle choices. Really, this is a topic? "

For example:

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""Homosexuals African Americans are the same as everyone else.""

in an article during the African Americans civil rights era.

[Edited on October 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2011 12:59:24 PM

^^So a person who remains celibate their entire life is what? Asexual? Even if they have hetero or homosexual desires?

10/26/2011 1:59:05 PM

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"So then, were you able to 100% pick out the people that would grow up and be homosexual or heterosexual in elementary school?"

Science can!

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"[Man with homosexual urges]: Hey I have these urges sometimes, but I don't like them and I do not act upon them because I don't want to do that. [Man with no homo urges]: Oh, ok, well you're a faggot. [Man with homosexual urges]: ....."

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you have homosexual urges and still have a stronger preference for women, then you're not gay. You can say that we're all a little gay, but that's a self-defeating definition and doesn't make any sense to use.

There is a blurry line between bi and straight, and bi and gay. There is not a blurry line between someone is just plain gay or just plain straight, although sure they probably have some amount of desire for the other sex at some point.

It's like that Ellen episode. She went around having sex with men, telling herself how much she likes men. It's not like she didn't get something out of it, but I'm sure the experience was entirely underwhelming. All that time she really wanted to sleep with women.

10/26/2011 2:52:08 PM

If you're a guy, you're either straight or gay. There's no such thing as bisexual. TWW told me so.

What is the point of this thread? Homosexuals and heterosexuals are not the same. That's why we created two different words.

[Edited on October 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2011 2:59:11 PM

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"I have a hard time believing that someone that is controlling their urges would want to be called gay, just as no one that has urges to do drugs but is now in control of that would want to be defined as an addict"

Well no shit, but I suspect that this has more to do with the persecution and bias that would ensue more than anything else.

10/26/2011 3:30:34 PM

When gay is "in" people lie to appear more gay, just like how the reverse is true today.

True story. It's happened at different times in history.

10/26/2011 4:04:40 PM

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" That sounds like an action to me."

So is thinking about homo sex, AKA, "having an urge"

10/26/2011 4:51:35 PM

Shrodinger's Homo: A man inside a box with nobody to have sex with. Is he gay or is he not? We cannot know until we open the box and offer him sex with a man.

[Edited on October 26, 2011 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2011 4:53:45 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Not all dogs go to heaven.

10/26/2011 6:26:47 PM

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"you're also admitting that you chose to be attracted to women (if that applies to you)"

nope. one's natural, the other is not. in the same way that being a vegetarian is a choice while being an omnivore is not.

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"Science can! "

actually, no it can't. show me a study that perfectly predicted sexual preference in elementary aged students. or, show me the buttfucking gene or genes and then show me the study that shows that everyone with the buttfucking gene is a buttfucker.


^ monkeys also throw their shit at each other. does that mean that a human throwing shit has a shit-throwing gene, too? Many animals practice cannibalism. Does that mean that humans have a cannibalism gene, too?

[Edited on October 26, 2011 at 6:51 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2011 6:50:34 PM

There is so much facepalm in that post, I don't know where to start.

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"I love you Duke, no homo"

Is that because I used the term "buttfucking gaywad" in a defense of faggots against the philosophical diarrhea presented by retards?

10/26/2011 7:01:57 PM

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"You may be born with certain traits, and those traits may even be feminine."

Which is not relevant to the question. Femininity is not common to all or even most homosexuals. In fact, even in the most flamboyant gays, the mental mapping tends to be typically male rather than female. That is, they focus a lot not only on body parts (which women do to a much lesser extent), but they focus on the same regions of the body that heterosexual men do.

Sorry, I just read "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" and wanted to share an insight.

10/26/2011 11:38:40 PM

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"In my opinion, people are defined by their actions. How on earth you can define someone by their desires is beyond me. "

Because desires are, in fact, exactly how sexual orientation is defined.

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"Obviously it is a lost cause attempting to hold an intelligent conversation with people who completely reject any new thought and resort to name calling."

It's a lost cause to attempt an intelligent conversation about this because there's nothing to intelligently converse about. If you told me that the sky was green, I would only be able to conclude that you are either color blind, full of shit, or fucking retarded, and similarly in that case, I wouldn't view it so much as "name calling" as "bluntly and accurately describing the situation."

10/27/2011 12:06:32 AM

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"There is so much facepalm in that post, I don't know where to start."

i know. asking for scientific evidence for a claim that something is scientifically proven is totally a facepalm, man. Making a clear analogy between another situation where one act is a choice and the other is not is a facepalm. And destroying the stupid claim of "animals do it!" is also a facepalm.

i just think it's hilarious how upset people get when you dare claim that homosexuality is a choice. some people are so threatened by simple reality that their reaction to being slapped in the face with it is to call other people names and get red in the face. It's not like it being a choice now means that every homosexual is evil and should be thrown off a cliff. In all actuality, for those that have made that choice, it's easier to blame it on "nature" and claim it's genetic than to accept the fact that they have made a choice that has some not-so-great consequences to it.

10/27/2011 6:56:53 AM

In order to prove that homosexuality is a choice, I'd like to see a conservative become gay and make a blog about it. I'm sure it would be the most natural thing in the world.

10/27/2011 8:14:17 AM

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"And destroying the stupid claim of "animals do it!" is also a facepalm...it's easier to blame it on "nature" and claim it's genetic than "

aaronburro you're the one who tried to use "one is natural, one is not" as a justification for your belief, you're the moron here, as always.

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"to accept the fact that they have made a choice that has some not-so-great consequences to it."

Those consequences are that stupid fucking cavemen like you are so obsessed with gay sex you can't just let them be and instead have to make an effort to delegitimize their private, consensual behaviors.

10/27/2011 12:24:24 PM

Tell us aaronburro, when did you choose to be straight? When did you first visualize a man riding you like a bull and get a huge boner then say to yourself "NO! NO! I choose straightness!" ?

10/27/2011 12:25:37 PM

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"In order to prove that homosexuality is a choice, I'd like to see [someone] become gay and make a blog about it. I'm sure it would be the most natural thing in the world."

win.

10/27/2011 12:49:49 PM

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"In the technician about a week ago, there was an article entitled "I Love Diversity". This article was written in the wake of the vandalism of the GBQLTDXYZ center in Harrelson."

Is it a coincedence that the GBQLTD center happens to be in the same building that urban legend has told stories of being the hidden butt sex enclave at NCSU

10/27/2011 1:23:22 PM

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" In all actuality, for those that have made that choice, it's easier to blame it on "nature" and claim it's genetic than to accept the fact that they have made a choice that has some not-so-great consequences to it."

I'd really like for you to list the "not-so-great consequences" of being homosexual. Or, for that matter, the "not-so-great consequences" of being anything other than heterosexual.

10/27/2011 1:45:45 PM

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"Tell us aaronburro, when did you choose to be straight?"

Are you a vegetarian? If not, when did you choose to be an omnivore? Point fucking proven. It takes a conscious choice to go against what nature and evolution designed. it doesn't take a choice to go along with what nature and evolution designed.

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"Those consequences are that stupid fucking cavemen like you are so obsessed with gay sex you can't just let them be and instead have to make an effort to delegitimize their private, consensual behaviors."

Actually, I'm really not concerned with what they do in private. There are those who do, though. What's your point, other than ad hominem?

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"I'd really like for you to list the "not-so-great consequences" of being homosexual. "

The obvious is the social stigma. Hell, it's often touted as a main argument against the choice argument, with the common statement "WHO WOULD CHOOSE SUCH A TERRIBLE THING!!!" (And even that statement is absurd, as there are plenty of people who make decisions with negative consequences for themselves every day.) I'm not saying it should be a consequence, but, at this point, it most certainly is.

10/27/2011 8:04:05 PM

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"Are you a vegetarian? If not, when did you choose to be an omnivore? Point fucking proven."

If i'm straight and I have sex with men, then I'm not gay. I'm a straight guy who has sex with men.

I could spend every day swimming through a sea of oiled, chiseled, male bodies and if my natural orientation is women, then I'm still straight. Being gay has nothing to do with the activities you engage in, or even what choice you make. Gay people are born gay.

According to what you say, I could decide to be gay tomorrow, and when that alarm goes off, I'm into men. I make the decision, and bam, I'm on the prowl for some penis. This is not reality. Nature gives us a program that we run on. Gay people have a different program, no matter how much they attempt to deny it.

10/27/2011 8:38:20 PM

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"It takes a conscious choice to go against what nature and evolution designed."

The fuck? Nature didn't design any of this shit. God designed it and anyone not heterosexual is sinning. I mean, that's what you believe isn't it?

10/27/2011 9:13:51 PM

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"According to what you say, I could decide to be gay tomorrow"

where did I say that. right, I didn't. Good strawman.

10/27/2011 10:12:15 PM

So on what time frame could I decide to be gay?

Or is being gay not a choice?

10/27/2011 11:20:31 PM

still waiting for you to show me the buttfucking gene(s). We look at almost every single behaviour as an instance of choice of some sort. and yet this behaviour magically isn't a choice.

10/27/2011 11:50:02 PM

Some gay guys are twinks, and others are bears. This ^ gay guy's a bear. By the way we're totally cool with that. To each his own.

10/28/2011 2:54:43 AM

Actually, he might be a power-bottom. A power-bottom is a bottom that is capable of receiving an enormous amount of power.

10/28/2011 3:02:25 AM

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"still waiting for you to show me the buttfucking gene(s). We look at almost every single behaviour as an instance of choice of some sort. and yet this behaviour magically isn't a choice."

Well I'm waiting for you to answer a question, which you never do.

On what time frame could I decide to be gay?

Or is being gay not a choice?

And no, science does not know of a gay gene, and in fact, it might not be a gene at all. Some research has linked homosexuality to the hormonal environment in the womb. Unfortunately, the hormones that influenced the development of your brain as a fetus is something we have about as much control over as adults as our genes.

[Edited on October 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM. Reason : ]

10/28/2011 8:21:00 AM

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"Are you a vegetarian? If not, when did you choose to be an omnivore? Point fucking proven. It takes a conscious choice to go against what nature and evolution designed. it doesn't take a choice to go along with what nature and evolution designed. "

Homosexual animals in nature wonder what in the hell you're talking about.

10/28/2011 8:49:40 AM

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"Are you a vegetarian? If not, when did you choose to be an omnivore? Point fucking proven. "

I'm dating a Hindu who's never eaten meat in her life and has no interest in eating it either. What you eat has very little to do with choice and everything to do with your cultural background. You eat what you want to eat. The desire comes first, and you choose based on that desire. You don't choose your desire.

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" It takes a conscious choice to go against what nature and evolution designed. it doesn't take a choice to go along with what nature and evolution designed. "

Nature designed dogs to hump legs. Nature is not precise about sex or any of that. When you have sex you aren't thinking "MM I CANNOT WAIT TO HAVE A BABY WITH MY GENES IN IT" you're thinking about tits and ass. That is to say, your actual desires are in no fucking way connected to reproduction. Coupling is an approximation of mating and is not precise or even robust. Further, there are homosexual reptiles, birds, mammals, even very close relatives to us. It *is* a natural phenomenon. Just like some people naturally don't like meat very much, some people don't like pussy so much. Is that really so hard to understand?

Besides, do you even believe in evolution? Nobody who does believe in evolution tries to use it to justify or condemn behaviors except fucking Hitler, so please stop going down that road. Besides, you don't understand the full range of evolved behaviors anyway. It could very well be that some prevalence of homosexuality provides a useful passive population-management system. Or perhaps that gay members of a tribe at times served as avuncular, additional child-raisers. You don't know shit about evolution, probably don't believe in it, so please shut up about it.

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"still waiting for you to show me the buttfucking gene(s). We look at almost every single behaviour as an instance of choice of some sort. and yet this behaviour magically isn't a choice."

You're missing the point entirely. Behaviors are choices, but preferences are not. Whether or not you like the taste of mustard is not a choice, but your decision to eat it is. Do you think people who don't like mustard should have to eat it anyway to avoid social stigma? And for the record, gayness has been linked to hormone levels in the womb, it doesn't take a "gay gene" to make it natural. "Natural" means it occurs, as a given, in some proportion throughout the species no matter what. Which it does. Every culture on Earth has seen it.

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"The obvious is the social stigma. Hell, it's often touted as a main argument against the choice argument, with the common statement "WHO WOULD CHOOSE SUCH A TERRIBLE THING!!!" (And even that statement is absurd, as there are plenty of people who make decisions with negative consequences for themselves every day.) I'm not saying it should be a consequence, but, at this point, it most certainly is."

Once again, it's the stupid fucking cavemen like you who make it a shitty thing to be gay. People who don't know shit about biology or evolution using their broken knowledge to call them "unnatural" whatever that fucking means. It is natural. It happens in all kinds of animals and has been documented in every human culture on every continent since the beginning of time. Even if it wasn't natural, that doesn't say a damn thing about whether it's okay or not, since "natural" is an entirely subjective criteria. Either everything humans do is natural, or nothing is, there is no dividing line where something becomes "unnatural" that isn't some imaginary construct an individual devised.


[Edited on October 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM. Reason : .]

10/28/2011 9:17:42 AM

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"The obvious is the social stigma. Hell, it's often touted as a main argument against the choice argument, with the common statement "WHO WOULD CHOOSE SUCH A TERRIBLE THING!!!" (And even that statement is absurd, as there are plenty of people who make decisions with negative consequences for themselves every day.) I'm not saying it should be a consequence, but, at this point, it most certainly is."

The worst thing about being gay is that aaronburro will think less of you.

10/28/2011 2:20:39 PM

choosing to be gay is like choosing to be left-handed.

10/28/2011 5:41:37 PM

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"choosing to be gay is like choosing to be left-handed."

The topic is "Things they beat out of me in Catholic School"

Survey says...YES

10/31/2011 11:56:42 AM