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TerdFerguson
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Hmmmm, why wouldn’t WikiLeaks include Russia (7,300 nuclear warheads), also party to the Iran Deal, in its tweet?

5/8/2018 5:49:09 PM

adultswim
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because they weren't part of the joint statement?

just laugh at the funny tweet terdferguson

[Edited on May 8, 2018 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2018 6:06:24 PM

TerdFerguson
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*looks up from shoveling hole for backyard bomb shelter*

You think this is a joke?










5/8/2018 7:01:24 PM

dtownral
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Fucking lol, adultswim is such a wikileaks shill

5/8/2018 7:10:15 PM

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Quote :
""I think Iran is bringing us closer to war with its belligerent activity and in Iraq and Syria...it's that aggressive militaristic behavior by Iran on the ground in the region that's the real threat," says @AmbJohnBolton"


Yeah. Aggressive militaristic behavior in Iraq is UNACCEPTABLE.

5/9/2018 7:55:37 AM

moron
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"Iranian forces fire rockets at Israeli military in first direct attack ever, Israel’s army says"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iranian-forces-fire-rockets-at-israeli-military-in-first-direct-attack-ever-israeli-army-says/2018/05/09/62e3a526-52f7-11e8-a6d4-ca1d035642ce_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0cd915dab320

Israel actually fired first, but it seems Netanyahu is itching for a full-on war, and it looks so far like the Trump admin might be willing to let this happen, just like they let MBS go nuts in Saudi Arabia (which is actually working out so far in Saudi Arabia).

5/10/2018 12:51:51 AM

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"Israel, determined not to let Iran expand its military presence in Syria, has struck over the border at least 100 times during the war, extending its targets from suspected arms convoys to Iranian-linked military bases."


[Edited on May 10, 2018 at 3:14 AM. Reason : ]

5/10/2018 3:13:33 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/AC360/videos/10160488260445533

fucking terrorist

5/10/2018 3:47:56 AM

adultswim
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Anyone else live near a military base? I'm near Colorado Springs and hearing jets fly over way more than usual....just curious.

10/4/2018 1:04:16 PM

NyM410
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Bolton coming.

Luckily we have a peacenik anti-interventionist President. Thank God for Donald the Dove.

[Edited on May 6, 2019 at 8:49 AM. Reason : X]

5/6/2019 8:48:38 AM

TerdFerguson
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"*looks up from shoveling hole for backyard bomb shelter*"

5/15/2019 7:47:45 AM

NyM410
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Tom Cotton is rock hard right now.

5/15/2019 9:22:28 AM

TerdFerguson
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I literally cannot think of a more horrible indictment of this country than if this festering turd of an administration is able to sell war with Iran.

-Most of us, including even quite a few pro-trump people, know that this administration is full of liars
-They are using nearly the exact same playbook as GWB. The arguments are almost the same (this will be an easy war to win, fake evidence/intelligence, etc)
-exact same newspapers are unquestioningly running the exact same propoganda
-Its only been 15 fucking years. Its amazing how short the average persons memory is
-You don't have to be some hippie to realize that the Iraq war wasted epic numbers of lives and money, and has gained the US almost nothing. Its turned into a 15 year lost cause.

But none of that matters, Bolton, Pompeo, and Trump are still gonna take us right up to the edge (and I pray to god no further) because this country is a god damn dumpster fire.

[Edited on May 15, 2019 at 12:34 PM. Reason : sell, sale sail????]

5/15/2019 12:32:59 PM

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On September 12 of this year, someone who WAS NOT BORN on 9/11 will become eligible to go participate in our little mideast adventure.

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"He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait this administration."

"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said."


- Osama bin Laden, Two-thousand fucking four.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/

5/15/2019 1:14:07 PM

dtownral
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Congress needs to pass a bill clearly stating the 2001AUMF doesnt apply to Iran, today. Actually they need a bill completely ending and de-authorizing the 2001 AUMF.

6/13/2019 3:01:35 PM

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I don't think Congress is going to do anything.

I think Trump will definitely start a war with Iran though, especially if/when impeachment hearings start.

6/13/2019 3:07:07 PM

bubster5041
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^^^ We were always at war with Eurasia...

6/13/2019 4:03:47 PM

dtownral
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Why would Iran attack a Japanese tanker, they need Japan

6/13/2019 6:44:53 PM

dtownral
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US released a video of Iran removing an unexploded limpet mine as evidence that Iran is responsible for the attack.

I can't understand any motive for Tehran to do this, what sense does it make for Iran to attack a Japanese flagged ship, one of their trading partners, while Shinzo Abe is in Iran? how would that benefit iran? I understand that there is conflict between the IRGC and Rouhani, but an attack while Abe is meeting with Khamenei seems like it would undermine Khamenei and not Rouhani.

Thoughts? I could maybe see an argument for someone like Saudi Arabia wanting to instigate things, but am having trouble understanding why Iran would want to.

6/14/2019 12:48:59 PM

TerdFerguson
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Spitballing:

Fucking up the global oil supply does two things for Iran

-Higher oil prices, even by a few dollars, will help them get their budget under control. Iranian debt has gone from like 10% of GDP to more like 50% of GDP in just the last 5 years. Oil revenues make up like 80% of their national budget.

-more volatility in oil prices puts the rest of the oil consuming world on notice, if you sanction us again there's a chance its gonna hurt your economy too.


All that being said, I too, do not believe a god damn word Pompeo says (for multiple reasons). As you pointed out, there are plenty of amoral bad actors in that region that have just as many reasons to do this shit.

6/14/2019 2:58:01 PM

dtownral
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but we just imposed new sanctions on iranian oil, from an economic standpoint it seems like normalized relations would be much better for iran than increased prices in a market that is harder for iran to reach, right?

[Edited on June 14, 2019 at 3:05 PM. Reason : and above i should have said japanese ship, not japanese flagged. it was using a flag of convenience]

6/14/2019 3:04:25 PM

TerdFerguson
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Yes, but:

-Iran is still selling on "grey markets." (I have no idea how much Oil is actually sold this way. Iran suggests its significant)
-China, while officially complying with US sanctions, is allegedly still buying from Iran (conflicting reports here, believe what you want).
-You shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Iran has made the judgement that trying to re-enter global markets and lifting sanctions just isn't going to be possible with irrational, bad-faith leaders running the US. Does anyone think there is actually something Iran could do/negotiate that would appease Trump, Bolton, or Pompeo??? Normalizing relations with someone that has an almost religious fervor to start a war with you just isn't gonna be possible and I think Iran gets that, now.


But again, I think the case for responsibility for these tanker bombings/drone strikes/mine attacks is probably stronger for other bad actors in the region.

6/14/2019 4:25:35 PM

theDuke866
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^, ^^^

pretty much my thoughts, except i'm less inclined to believe that Iran wasn't behind it.

6/15/2019 5:46:04 AM

TerdFerguson
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/politics/us-drone-tracked-iranian-boats/

US Reaper drone right there in the action during the “tanker attack.” So...even more suspicious.

6/15/2019 4:01:16 PM

TerdFerguson
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/us/politics/us-iran.html

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"The Trump administration is telling Congress about what it says are alarming ties between Iran and Al Qaeda, prompting skeptical reactions and concern on Capitol Hill."


They’re basically asking us to believe up is down here.

6/20/2019 5:10:13 AM

dtownral
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^ i can't read that, is that what they are saying in briefings to congress or in public statements?

6/20/2019 8:41:00 AM

marko
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Jesus Christ, fuck a drone.

6/20/2019 8:53:53 AM

Bullet
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So 90%+ of Iran's population is Shia Muslim. Shia is Islam is Iran's State religion. Al Queda is Wahabi Sunni Islam. Al Queda considers Shia Islam heresy.

6/20/2019 8:56:26 AM

dtownral
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we're super cool with saudi arabia who actually do have ties

6/20/2019 9:21:25 AM

NyM410
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Pompeo is a freak who actively wants to usher in end-times. Somehow he has been transformed in to an “adult in the room” by DC at large.

Hes a dangerous partisan hack and always has been.

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 9:30 AM. Reason : But even he knows better than to think Sunni and Shia are allies.]

6/20/2019 9:29:41 AM

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"The Trump administration is telling Congress about what it says are alarming ties between Iran and Al Qaeda, prompting skeptical reactions and concern on Capitol Hill."


hmmmm this sounds familiar for some reason...

6/20/2019 10:25:38 AM

NyM410
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The JCPOA was good. Not perfect, but good.

This is bad. And Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham are all giant pieces of shit.

6/20/2019 10:57:05 AM

dtownral
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what options do democrats have to stop this? is another government shutdown threat in october their only option? i know the discharge petition is different in the senate, is there any way to force a vote on the aumf bill? could they sue if trump tries to use the 2001 authorization for iran?

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

6/20/2019 11:15:42 AM

lazarus
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More like war with your mom.

6/20/2019 11:25:21 AM

NyM410
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https://twitter.com/hansnichols/status/1141739528962621442?s=21

This sounds ominous but it’s Trump so it might be (and hopefully is) just words.

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 12:15 PM. Reason : Z]

6/20/2019 12:11:09 PM

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^^^impeach. I bet that would slow down plans

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 12:11 PM. Reason : E]

6/20/2019 12:11:22 PM

dtownral
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how so? seems like that would be even more of a reason for trump to start a war

6/20/2019 12:22:38 PM

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This is such a bizarre thing going on. Trump’s entire administration says one thing with Trump saying the other.

From his words just now it does, thankfully, seem like we will avert a crisis for the time being.

6/20/2019 12:48:04 PM

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^^I mean who knows, but he is obviously very easily distracted and I would bet he would have care WAY more about impeachment hearings than about a war his advisors are trying to start.

6/20/2019 12:52:24 PM

horosho
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That Russia cyber story has me worried that the deep state will curcumvent Trump and start the war or at least do more incidents like this drone thing to provoke Iran or force Trump's hand.

6/20/2019 1:53:13 PM

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What if Trump was the deep state all along.

6/20/2019 5:20:35 PM

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the call is coming from inside the house!

6/20/2019 6:15:00 PM

NyM410
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The Deep State made Donald Trump hire John Bolton to be Donald Trump’s NSA and then prevented Donald Trump from firing Donald Trump’s NSA.

Must suck to have no agency.

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 7:14 PM. Reason : Obama’s Deep State also caused Trump to withdraw from Obama’s JCPOA]

6/20/2019 7:13:40 PM

moron
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Anyone buying the BS stories that aircrafts were in the air and had to turn around?

Seems like the dramatic stories Trump likes to tell, but there's no way that's true.

Maybe Iran is dumb enough to be tricked by this, but this seems pretty pathetic to me...

6/21/2019 2:17:20 AM

TerdFerguson
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Another tall tale from our dementia-addled President’s mind. Or maybe it did really happen. Doesn’t change the fact the decisions was made by a dementia-addled president with no secretary of defense.

6/21/2019 4:40:25 AM

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Why would they leak a fake story about the president being weak?

6/21/2019 7:18:00 AM

NyM410
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It’s terrifying but if the end result is no escalation then the outcome is good.

Problem is, his impulsivity and bellicose rhetoric could easily lead to catastrophe. And he hires horrendous people. I don’t care what you think about his mindset, hiring and keeping John Bolton tells you all you need to know.

6/21/2019 7:30:12 AM

NyM410
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JFC, his response is even more disconcerting.

What kind of worms need to be infesting your brain to admit you didn’t get told or even ask about casualties until AFTER approving a strike.

He’s lying. No military commander would ever give a president options without a potential casualty count.

What even is our goal with Iran? It sure seems it’s “Obama bad, need Trump deal” but now that he blew up the JCPOA no one takes America’s ability to negotiate seriously. Nor should they.

6/21/2019 9:14:39 AM

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I don't know about "our" but Boltons goal is regime change

6/21/2019 9:30:04 AM

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Perhaps Bolton's tenure is just red meat for the hawkish elements of his base.

6/21/2019 10:26:17 AM

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