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1/5/2012 6:59:27 PM

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1/5/2012 7:03:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-DEbDumy4

1/5/2012 7:07:24 PM

1/5/2012 7:12:12 PM

Anything Kinks

1/5/2012 7:15:05 PM

what is dick time and how does one blow it?

1/5/2012 7:37:19 PM

this could be an entire subforum, not just a thread

1/5/2012 11:47:59 PM

1/5/2012 11:57:21 PM

1/6/2012 12:00:12 AM

1/6/2012 12:01:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9h2m06sFQ

Van Halen - Van Halen II - (1979) - Beautiful Girls

1/6/2012 12:02:41 AM

Yeah, those first couple of VH albums kill. I have those 2, Diver Down, and 1984 on vinyl.

1/6/2012 12:05:52 AM

1/6/2012 12:08:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEJvHE_rEg

1/6/2012 12:12:41 AM

1/6/2012 12:12:56 AM

and let's just include all of Wish You Were Here. It only has like 5-6 songs, and they're all good (Welcome To the Machine is my least favorite...the rest are awesome).

1/6/2012 12:15:57 AM

I said that doesn't suck dick. Van Halen has its novelty but van halen is terrible

Rush is laughable, and while I probably have the biggest boner for frank zappa out of anyone on this forum and probably anyone in NC idk if he is 70s rock lol...

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[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 12:27 AM. Reason : if you can post FZ then i can post Mahavishnu Orchestra...]

1/6/2012 12:26:12 AM

1/6/2012 12:29:42 AM

Good troll good troll

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1/6/2012 12:32:35 AM

1/6/2012 12:49:52 AM

Rush laughable?

What, you talking about the fat guy on the radio, or the band with Geddy Lee and Neil Peart?

1/6/2012 2:12:39 AM

Rush is awful shit. Good playing, no balls.

I won't lie, though...sometimes I yell, "OF SALESSSSMENNNN!"

1/6/2012 2:29:06 AM

No balls??! I mean, it ain't Master Of Puppets...

Maybe I could buy soul-less, at least for some of their stuff, but no balls?

1/6/2012 3:05:55 AM

There's no rock 'n' roll to Rush stuff.

It's prog jazz with a rock bent. Not bad, but no balls.

1/6/2012 3:23:40 AM

King Crimson - One More Red Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0kMtzXjSZo&feature=related

Really anything King Crimson from the 70s.

EDIT: Unless you dumb assholes are excluding prog.

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 3:46 AM. Reason : f]

1/6/2012 3:44:31 AM

King Crimson rules and has at least one testicle at leaat on the early stuff. Obviously I'm a belew fan...

Rush is really terrible. They are essentially the same band as dream theater. Wank songwriting. Wank lyrics. Wank music. Sorry buddy prog rock is not showing us how far you got in classsical/jazz lessons. Want good early 70s prog rock/jazz then buy a zappa album. Its better, funny, not musical masturbation, heavier than metallica (who is terrible) and the lyrics are pretty timeless. Overnite sensation or apostrophe are good places to start.

Look at FZs early lineups... george duke, jean luc ponty, bruce fowler. These guys ARE the greats of jazz and this music is far from jazz.

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[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 6:17 AM. Reason : ]

1/6/2012 6:06:28 AM

I appreciate Zappa as a talent and genius; I've just never cared a whole lot for listening to his stuff, if that makes any sense.

He also brought us Steve Vai (whom I also appreciate as a talent and maybe genius, and like to listen to in moderation, mostly for the "holy shit factor"...but I'm not going to listen to his stuff routinely. It's just not...I don't know, accessible enough? Fun enough?)


Metallica and Rush terrible, though? What the fuck ever. Metallica is THE yardstick by which metal is measured, period. Rush? I mean, I'm not a giant fan of them or anything, even though I'm probably coming across that way. They have some shit I don't care a whole lot for; the only album I actually own is Permanent Waves (vinyl copy). They can be grandiose to the point of masturbatory, like someone said. Still, they have a shit ton of material, and a lot of it is pretty good. They'll never be in my top 10 favorite bands or anything, but to just dismiss them as "laughable" and "terrible" is pretty ridiculous.





[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 12:55 PM. Reason : not 80s by a year or two (YYZ). oh well.]


[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM. Reason : OK, OK, I forgot, I also have Moving Pictures]

1/6/2012 12:52:31 PM

Gnidrolog - Snails; the greatest prog band that never was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cglAk-JXq4

1/6/2012 12:56:18 PM

Steve Vai is without a doubt the worst guitarist to play with zappa. The 80s period of zappa is pretty lackluster. Thin Lizzy is more metal than metallica could ever hope to be. Only people who listen to 96 rock thing metallica is metal- and no i'm not talking about all the shitty 'metal'-metal that i listen to

Again progressive rock is good song writing NOT musical masturbation. Like i said before progressive rock-rock & roll has never and will never be about how far you got at classical&jazz lessons

THIS is god-tier progressive rock. Rush is shit-tier. And 1974 may just be the best year in musical history



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1/6/2012 1:08:36 PM

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1/6/2012 1:11:48 PM

At any rate, while I like some prog-rock and "proggish" rock, the real heart of my musical envelope (and what I mostly play myself) is plain-'ol blues-based rock & roll, and 1970s Rolling Stones is right up there as some of the best of it:

From Sticky Fingers, which I consider their best album ever (though I'll bet money that vinylbandit at a minimum will disagree and prefer Exile On Main Street.)







See also: Sister Morphine...and I can't even remember what else is on that album. The whole album is good, though.

Goat's Head Soup is another killer 70s Stones album that doesn't get its due credit, in my opinion.

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM. Reason : Steve Via has proficiency like a mad dog, whatever else you want to say about him.]

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 1:17 PM. Reason : and Thin Lizzy is great, but more "metal" than Master of Puppets/Ride the Lightning/...Justice? Haha]

1/6/2012 1:13:46 PM

I can get not listening to Zappa to some extent but really it just means you haven't heard the right zappa... There are countless albums that span genres and creative appeal and there really isn't any method to navigate them. Over-nite Sensation is a good place to start if you already have Apostrophe and you don't listen to it because of how weird it is.

^you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who plays in a real (the ones that are good at songwriting) metal band who thinks early metallica is better than Thin Lizzy or Pentagram or any of the other 70s pre-metallica bands but whatever bro. Stick to your daily 96 rock 3 hour metallica marathon



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1/6/2012 1:19:08 PM

...and let us not forget The Boss.

I'm planning on picking up an ash/standard Telecaster as soon as I move into my house.

oh, and Clarence Clemmons is a good example of where I totally agree with you about technical wizard-playing not being the end-all, by any means (and good for me, because I'm not a good enough sax player to tackle any crazy shit anyway, especially nowadays).







(Promised Land is one of my little girl's favorite songs...she'd prob listen to it 10x in a row if I'd play it)

1/6/2012 1:38:32 PM

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1/6/2012 1:44:56 PM

Quote :

"I can get not listening to Zappa to some extent but really it just means you haven't heard the right zappa... There are countless albums that span genres and creative appeal and there really isn't any method to navigate them. Over-nite Sensation is a good place to start if you already have Apostrophe and you don't listen to it because of how weird it is. "

Maybe. I mean, I haven't listened to him a ton; I've listened to him a little here and there enough times to feel fairly confident in my attitude of "Good for him, he was a real talent, I respect his work and am glad someone made shit like that, but if I listen to 1 Zappa song per year, that'll be plenty." I'll try Overnight Sensation, though, and see if I develop a taste for that. I developed a taste for Phish, and absolutely LOVE the earlier stuff from Wilco...and I didn't care at all for either of those bands before--and that was absolutely just a matter of not hearing the right material from them.

Quote :

" ^you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who plays in a real (the ones that are good at songwriting) metal band who thinks early metallica is better than Thin Lizzy or Pentagram or any of the other 70s pre-metallica bands but whatever bro. Stick to your daily 96 rock 3 hour metallica marathon"

Like I said, I like Thin Lizzy, but the first 4 (particularly 2nd-4th) Metallica albums just flat-out fucking own...and even if you and a few other purists or whatever you're best described prefer some other stuff, however awesome it may be, I don't even think it can be argued that Metallica isn't the yardstick for metal. Even if it isn't the best (though it IS my favorite), it is without a doubt the most influential and pretty much the icon of the broader genre.

As far as 96 Rock, well, I live in FL, and from what I remember, the vast majority of what they played was from the "black album", Load/Reload/, Garage, and whatever the other later albums are. Those albums might as well be from a different band than the first four (particularly everything after the "black album", which was a sort of transitional album). When I talk about Metallica, I'm not really even referring to that stuff.

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/6/2012 1:57:05 PM

Part of my boner for frank zappa is political agenda. The first Metallica album is the only one that i really dig but I really think its not much more than a gateway into much better music and that most of the more talented metal bands today or even in the 90s would cite that stuff as a huge influence. When it comes to early metal i'll stick to Pentagram, St Vitus and the likes of the early doom scene. But this thread is about rock anyways so who cares.

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1/6/2012 2:01:33 PM

I like Exile more than Sticky Fingers, but they both rule. In general I prefer the earlier Stones stuff, though. I think Goat's Head Soup is pretty forgettable on the whole.

Steve Vai has all the technical playing talent in the world, but he's never played a note worth listening to.

1/6/2012 4:16:17 PM

exile is better than fingers

zappa is a golden god

1/6/2012 4:41:22 PM

to me, exile is definitely better than fingers, to me

1/6/2012 4:46:33 PM

City of tiiiiny liiiights

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[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 4:49 PM. Reason : saps is like the last person i'd expect to be a zappa fan but BROFIST]

1/6/2012 4:49:23 PM

exile also has the best stones song ever recorded

true story

1/6/2012 4:56:15 PM

I'm not sure how you can say zappa isn't 70s rock, I mean he didn't only do rock, but he definitely has some stuff that at least I consider rock.

1/6/2012 5:00:28 PM

I mean you can't really put a label on zappa. The truth is all he ever wanted to write is chamber music but no one wants to listen to chamber music and there probably aren't any musicians with any personality who'd play chamber music. The personality and live experience is a big part of what made him popular





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[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM. Reason : DONT MAKE ME TURN THIS INTO A FRANK ZAPPA THREAD]

1/6/2012 5:14:08 PM

Prime trolling grounds ITT

1/6/2012 5:20:51 PM

1/6/2012 6:31:39 PM

Quote :

" Steve Vai has all the technical playing talent in the world, but he's never played a note worth listening to."

Yeah, I know what you mean. His sheer ability and prowess makes him kinda neat to listen to every once on a while. I have an appreciation for him, but am the first to say that it's a little like my appreciation for Deep Blue beating Kasperov in chess, haha.

Also, this page is kicking the shit out of my poor browser.

1/7/2012 4:57:43 PM

Steve vai isn't that technically impressive. For example john mclaup
hlin exists. Steve vais solos are unimpressive, repetitive and his songwriting is predictable.

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[Edited on January 7, 2012 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2012 5:06:59 PM

OK, now you're just being a hater. Not comparing him to other guitar phemoms, and not lauding him as a songwriter or whatever, and I don't even care to listen to him very much, but there isn't even a case that he is not freakishly talented as a guitar player.

1/7/2012 8:08:57 PM

bump, working towards a new page so my browser doesn't get overwhelmed.

1/11/2012 6:40:47 PM

frank zappa

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1/12/2012 11:45:02 AM