Hello good fellows,

I will be commandeering this thread this year and will kick it all off with the first mock draft of the year within the next couple of days. If any of you were around from 2006-2008, you'll remember that the mock drafts from my old threads (with the assistance of many other tww'ers posting updates and information) beat the shit out of Mel Kiper and the other paid "experts". Now with the plethora of mock draft sites and other sources of information, we should be able to more actively compare our results.

Thread guidelines:

1. No trolling. I'd like to make this thread a go to for information about the draft, players, rumors, etc, not a bitchfest.

2. If you have new news about players or a team, please bold the team name or player names.

3. Every month I will do a user mock with no more than 5 users. I will choose the users by activity in the thread and value of their contributions.

Any ideas for making this thread better are gladly accepted.

First mock with projected draft order will be coming up shortly

[Edited on January 10, 2012 at 8:31 PM. Reason : B]

1/10/2012 8:22:23 PM

Russell Wiltson

1/10/2012 8:22:58 PM

1/10/2012 8:24:12 PM

best 2nd post never

1/10/2012 8:24:20 PM

i hope the Bears draft a receiver

and a starting quarterback

1/10/2012 8:26:23 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/01/10/2012.nfl.mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

Ryan Tannehill almost cracking the top 10?

1/10/2012 8:51:39 PM

me and TT10 will provide name picture medleys on draft night as usual, if that's going to be a problem, then you should have done your draft thread research

1/10/2012 8:52:59 PM

I think the colts will take Andrew Luck.

1/10/2012 9:06:44 PM

The projected order that I'll use

1 Indianapolis Colts
2 St. Louis Rams
3 Minnesota Vikings
4 Cleveland Browns
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Washington Redskins
7 Jacksonville Jaguars
8 Carolina Panthers
9 Miami Dolphins
10 Buffalo Bills
11 Kansas City Chiefs
12 Seattle Seahawks
13 Arizona Cardinals
14 Dallas Cowboys
15 Philadelphia Eagles
16 New York Jets
17 Cincinnati Bengals (via OAK)
18 San Diego Chargers
19 Chicago Bears
20 Tennessee Titans
21 Cincinnai Bengals
22 Detroit Lions
23 Cleveland Browns (Via ATL)
24 Pittsburgh Steelers
25 Denver Broncos
26 New York Giants
27 Houston Texans
28 San Francisco 49ers
29 Baltimore Ravens
30 New England Patriots (via NO)
31 New England Patriots
32 Green Bay Packers

1/10/2012 9:11:52 PM

I don't know a damn thing about WR Michael Floyd from Notre Dame

but I see "WR" and I get happy

1/10/2012 9:12:27 PM

Quote :

"me and TT10 will provide name picture medleys on draft night as usual, if that's going to be a problem, then you should have done your draft thread research"

If you thought that was going to be an issue, then you shouldve read the first post

[Edited on January 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM. Reason : its fine]

1/10/2012 9:16:03 PM

The Seahawks will not take a QB in the 1st round. As much as Pete Carroll says he is more willing to do it, Tannehill at 12 is a no.

1/10/2012 9:23:16 PM

Think the Browns trade up to 2 to grab RG3?

1/10/2012 9:24:48 PM

ok, but we can count on JT3Bucky bitching and moaning about it

1/10/2012 9:24:58 PM

You have no authority to make thread guidelines.

That said, I will participate.

^
I thought that was an NBA deal.

1/10/2012 10:15:19 PM

it's an anything draft deal

1/10/2012 11:15:53 PM

Rumors on ESPN insider have the Cardinals possibly cutting Kolb and the Browns are a possible suitor.

1/10/2012 11:17:54 PM

i'm already through 4 rounds worth of picktures

yswidt?

1/10/2012 11:23:26 PM

1. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Jesus Moses Mohammed Luck, QB Stanford
As much as a sure thing as he's supposed to be, I seriously question this decision. Assuming Peyton Manning comes back and can play at his previous level, why not trade this pick for a couple solid NFL players on D and draft picks that you can turn into more defensive players and and OL or two? Are the Colts really that far from being contenders with Peyton Manning bacK? Drafting Luck is telling Manning we don't think we can win a SB in the next 2-3 years.

2. St. Louis Rams - Matt Kalil, T USC
The Rams have many options here. As time goes on, you will definitely have teams talking about trading up to get RG3. I think their best bet is to draft the player who I feel is easily the best fit for them and their current situation. You cant have Sam Bradford getting hit as many times as he has in the last 2 years. The David Carr syndrome for QB is legit, and the last thing any team needs is a young QB who sees ghosts in the pocket, in turn wasting $70M. Kalil is a legit starting LT in the NFL, something that only 15-20 NFL teams actually have.

3. Minnesota Vikings - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU
Now this is where I really could see someone talking about trading up for RG3. The Vikings need a lot of pieces. Their secondary was torched all year, former yearly All-Pro guard Steve Hutchinson is getting up there in age and is beginning to wear down, they have 1 receiving threat who also has a propensity to miss games, and their LB's grade below the league average. They could turn this pick into something like Washington's 1st and 2nd where they could possibly still get their guy in Claiborne and pick up another solid pick in what I believe is a draft very deep defensively. As for Claiborne, I feel he is the top player available besides RG3, which the Vikings obviously won't draft unless they pull a shocker and trade Ponder for what would likely be 50 cents on the dollar.

4. Cleveland Browns - Justin Blackmon, WR Okla St.
Here's where it gets interesting. If this scenario were to happen, which is a possibility, the Browns will need to decide where they are going with their team. They could call it quits on the Mccoy experiment, or concede that he basically has a group of #3 WR's to throw to and that they need to build around him. Cleveland has 2 picks in the 1st round this year because of the insane Julio Jones trade last year. I could see them doing what the Bengals did last year, which is taking the big time playmaker and waiting until their 2nd or 3rd pick to think about taking another QB. As for Blackmon, if he can stay healthy the guy has the skills to be a great WR in the NFL. Doesnt have burner speed, but with his route running ability he should be able to do well for himself.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama
Did you see TB's defense this past year? Yea me either. Ronde Barber is 156 years old and Aqib Talib is probably weeks away from the slammer. Gotta start somewhere. I almost wanted to put Trent Richardson here because its glaringly obvious Blount isnt an every down back. He's Brandon Jacobs with even worse hands.

6. Washington Redskins - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
I know the 'Skins would love this scenario. They get the great leader that the offense is missing.

7. Jacksonville Jaguars Cincinnati Bengals (trade) - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
If this scenario unfolds this way, there is no one in this draft spot that is worth the Jags drafting them this high. Thus I could definitely see them trading down so they can draft a WR or DB. My guess is that the Bengals, with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, will be interested in Richardson. Upgrading the running game will do wonders for Dalton, so I could definitely see them doing this. On the draftpick value chart, the Bengals would be giving up both 1st rd picks and be receiving back a 3rd form the Jags to make it work http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

8. Carolina Panthers - Devon Still, DT Penn State
This is where the uncertainty really begins. Good DT's have a propensity to get popular the closer you get to draftday and Still would be a great fit for the Panthers' 4-3 D. I'm pretty high on him after seeing about 3-4 of his games this year against some good Big 10 OL and I think by the time April rolls around that he'll be a top 10 possibility.

9. Miami Dolphins - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford
Another great tackle to solidify the Dolphins OL. With Martin and Jake Long the Fins will have a top tier OT pair. I don't see them going after a QB early, although CB or DE could be a possibility.

10. Buffalo Bills - Quinton Coples, DE UNC
The Bills need anyone who can rush the passer. A legit starter in their 4-3D packages and potentially athletic enough to stand up in their 3-4 packages. Other options would be OLB or OT.

11. Kansas City Chiefs - Reily Reiff, OT Iowa
KC needs to be able to give Cassel time in the pocket, as he is not a solid quick decision maker. Adding Reiff allows the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert back inside to his natural G spot.

12. Seattle Seahawks - David DeCastro, G Stanford
The Seahwaks need significant upgrades between the tackles on their OL. DeCastro is the best OG in this class.

13. Arizona Cardinals - Courtney Upshaw, OLB Alabama
The Cardinals need to upgrade their aging linebacker corps. The average age of their starters last season is 32.5 and Upshaw is a great all around LB.

14. Dallas Cowboys - Alfonzo Dennard CB, Nebraska
The Cowboys DB's have been atrocious for years it seems. Dennard is a well rounded CB with good speed and is a great bump and run corner which is a skill desirable to Rob Ryan.

15. Philadelphia Eagles - Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College
Talk about a perfect fit. This is exactly what the Eagles need. I hope for Eagles fans that Andy Reid doesn't seemingly ignore the LB position for the 8th consecutive year (Graham is more of a rush end).

1/11/2012 12:04:51 AM

16. New York Jets - Michael Floyd, WR Notre Dame
Their starters are a crybaby who quits on his team and a soon to be 35 year old possession receiver that runs a 4.9/40. They need someone to make plays on this offense, because Mark Sanchez sure isnt capable of making other players on his team better.

17. Cincinnati Bengals (via OAK) Jacksonville Jaguars (trade) - Alshon Jeffery, WR S. Carolina
In this scenario, it works out well for the Jags, who desparately need playmakers on offense. Jeffery is a huge WR, so he'll be a great target for the inaccurate Blaine Gabbert.

18. San Diego Chargers - Mike Adams, OT Ohio State
Poor PR needs help on the OL, granted their defense is horrible as well. Gotta keep the franchise QB off the ground though and Adams is the next best OT on my list. SD could be losing both tackles depending on how McNeill heals.

19. Chicago Bears - Kendall Wright, WR Baylor
Bears need players who can actually play WR, I'm looking at you Roy Williams. Wright would be their instant #1 WR. This pick will make the Bears fans moist.

20. Tennessee Titans - Melvin Ingram, DE S.Carolina
The Titans miss Jason Babin badly. Their pass rush was horrendous in 2011, probably one of the worst in the league, so Ingram is a good fit.

21. Cincinnai Bengals Jacksonville Jaguars (trade) - Andre Branch, DE Clemson
The Jags seemingly spend a high draft pick on D-Linemen every year and come up empty. Branch is likely the best DE left on the board and he fills a definite need.

22. Detroit Lions - Zebrie Sanders, OT FSU
The Lions need to address the CB and LB positions this draft but with Jeff Backus's contract up and him suffering a serious injury against the Saints, the Lions must address protecting Stafford. Sanders is the best OT left on my board

23. Cleveland Browns (Via ATL) - David Wilson, RB Va. Tech
The Browns need to keep loading up on offense. Hillis wont be back and Hardesty isnt the answer. If Wilson declares, I could see him going here.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers - Vontaze Burfict, ILB Arizona State
James Farrior is 37. Burfict will be the next great Steeler LB, as he's perfect playing ILB in the Steelers' 3-4.

25. Denver Broncos - Dontari Poe, DT Memphis
The Broncos desparately need a solid NT for their 3-4 and Dontari Poe is a large man. 6'6" 350lbs large. Should shore up the run defense issues.

26. New York Giants - Dont'a Hightower, LB Alabama
The Giants need to strenghten their LB corps. Blackburn is not the answer at MLB. Hightower is a high football IQ player and could come in and start right away at MLB.

27. Houston Texans - Mark Barron, S Alabama
The Texans would've liked to see Kendall Wright here, but instead take Barron who gives them safety depth and who could likely overtake Glover Quin in a season or two

28. San Francisco 49ers - Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia
Carlos Rogers is a FA and they have depth issues in their secondary. I like Minnifield as he is very instinctive and has a good football IQ. I could see him transitioning to FS at some point early in his career.

29. Baltimore Ravens - Fletcher Cox, DE/DT Mississippi St.
The Ravens need to start looking for replacements for Corey Redding when his contract is up next year (he'll be 33). Cox looks to be a great 3-4 end.

30. New England Patriots (via NO) - Sam Montgomery, DE/LB LSU
As we all know it'll be very unlikely for the Patriots to keep both of these 1st rd picks, but I'll pretend they do. It looks like the Pats will likely go back to their 3-4 exclusively next year, so they will need pass rushers. Montgomery is a good fit as rush LB in a 3-4.

31. New England Patriots - Janoris Jenkins, CB N. Alabama
When you have the worst pass defense in the history of the NFL, going with the best CB available in the 1st rd who has a possible 1st rd grade isnt a bad thing.

32. Green Bay Packers - Lamar Miller, RB Miami
Ryan Grant is a FA and there is no reason to re-sign him. James Starks hasnt shown he can handle the workload for an entire season, so I could see the Packers hedging here and addressing the D-Line in rd 2 &3.

1/11/2012 12:05:18 AM

that took fucking forever

1/11/2012 12:14:05 AM

was it worth it?

1/11/2012 12:19:53 AM

nice post KO...quality all around

1/11/2012 12:28:08 AM

man I hope we get RG3

1/11/2012 12:38:38 AM

^^ why ty good sir

1/11/2012 1:00:32 AM

i would be ecstatic if the 'Skins can get RGIII but Im not holding my breath...either he will be gone by the time we pick or we give up way too much to get him. More likely we get Blackmon.

1/11/2012 1:01:17 AM

Im happy with blackmon, as long as we pick up Moore or Wilson later or go after Flynn

1/11/2012 1:39:14 AM

Flynn will cost a 1st rd pick + other picks

1/11/2012 1:43:27 AM

if he excepts the tag

1/11/2012 1:51:33 AM

the way GB would play it is talk to another team about draft pick/player compensation first and then have Flynn negotiate a contract with that team once compensation is agreed upon. Then he'd sign that contract with GB and they'd trade him to the other team

[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 1:58 AM. Reason : one way or another,Flynn's going to cost at least a 1st and 3rd.esp think of what ARI gave up 4Kolb ]

1/11/2012 1:56:53 AM

ive only gotten thru a few but...


no offense boobs, but its over. Modern sports has passed you by.


There's just too many false premises in that post.

Quote :

"As much as a sure thing as he's supposed to be, I seriously question this decision. Assuming Peyton Manning comes back and can play at his previous level, why not trade this pick for a couple solid NFL players on D and draft picks that you can turn into more defensive players and and OL or two? Are the Colts really that far from being contenders with Peyton Manning bacK? Drafting Luck is telling Manning we don't think we can win a SB in the next 2-3 years."

Is pure shit logic. The Colts were worthless without Manning, just like any team in the NFL is. It's a QB league. Any other part is interchangeable. And Manning has a NERVE injury. He might never play again, he might be 100% next year, who the fuck knows. That's why it's a nerve injury. Either way the obvious decision is to cut him before he gets his $28 million roster bonus and take the guy guaranteed to start for the next 15 years.

Quote :

"The David Carr syndrome for QB is legit, and the last thing any team needs is a young QB who sees ghosts in the pocket, in turn wasting $70M."

A) $70MM isn't the fee for a #1 QB anymore, it's half that. Did you miss the whole NFL lockout thing?

B) Old school big armed pocket passers can't survive in this NFL. This isn't the Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Jeff George era if you haven't noticed. Accuracy and mobility are the keys to success in the NFL today. Brady, Brees, etc are the rule... the Stafford big armed QB breed is dying fast because they almost never make it through a full season.

1/11/2012 4:11:13 AM

I think Blackmon falls some, possibly to the Panthers (not saying they take him, just sayin)

He's a beast on the field but he's probably not gonna time well in Indy. I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range. He's also built more like a SS than a WR at 6'1 215 ... reminds me of a slightly-smaller Anquan Boldin. Not saying that's a bad thing, just not what you'd expect for a WR predicted to go in the Top 5.



[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 4:52 AM. Reason : ]

1/11/2012 4:50:47 AM

Quote :

"Old school big armed pocket passers can't survive in this NFL. This isn't the Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Jeff George era if you haven't noticed. Accuracy and mobility are the keys to success in the NFL today. Brady, Brees, etc are the rule... the Stafford big armed QB breed is dying fast because they almost never make it through a full season."

agree with your premise, but Brady isn't mobile

1/11/2012 5:00:55 AM

Tom Brady is one of the best QB's in NFL history in regards to pocket mobility.

He practically ushered in the new era.

You are confusing mobility with scrambling ability ala Michael Vick.

1/11/2012 5:47:38 AM

As a Cowboys fan I would like to see them find a way to get DeCastro from Stanford. Interior line play really held back the O. Dennard may have size issues at 14 overall.

1/11/2012 6:55:21 AM

Quote :

"A) $70MM isn't the fee for a #1 QB anymore, it's half that. Did you miss the whole NFL lockout thing? "

You should probably do some fucking research before you start calling people out. Bradford was signed about 2 years ago which is 1 year before the lockout.

Bradford's contract is 6yrs 76 million with 50mil guaranteed



[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 8:58 AM. Reason : m,]

1/11/2012 8:57:37 AM

^ ..so... you are still wrong.

1/11/2012 11:06:18 AM

Yea, that whole negotiation thing in the lockout... well it created a capped/slotted type of system for rookie salaries. Cam Newton's class is the first one's subject to this so Sam Bradford obviously precedes it.

Sam Bradford has a 6 year, $78M contract, $50M guaranteed.
Cam Newton has a 4-year, $22M fully guaranteed contract.

The cost of drafting a QB #1 overall is quite clearly significantly lower now.

1/11/2012 11:12:04 AM

yeah, but Cam is gonna GET PAID SON if he keeps playing like he has been

1/11/2012 11:21:00 AM

Quote :

"The Broncos desparately need a solid NT for their 3-4 and Dontari Poe is a large man. 6'6" 350lbs large. Should shore up the run defense issues."

Broncos don't run a 3-4 anymore. Run D is 22nd (13th in avg per carry), Pass D is 18th. With a late pick they'll go best available DT/CB/RB.

1/11/2012 11:23:42 AM

Re: Flynn

You guys realize if they tag Flynn that Finley will likely be walking right?

1/11/2012 11:28:13 AM

My bad I was pretty sure I saw them mixing in the 3-4 still. I know they switched from using the 3-4 full time when McDaniels left.

1/11/2012 11:38:05 AM

they'll go 3 down lineman and rush Von Miller in passing situations

1/11/2012 11:38:55 AM

Quote :

"^ ..so... you are still wrong. "

about what? We're talking about Bradford needing a LT and that the Rams have invested 70mm on him

^ok, I thought they still did.

[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM. Reason : f]

1/11/2012 11:39:04 AM

Let Finley walk. He dropped way too many balls this year, and with Rodgers, the other parts are almost interchangeable. He wants top WR money....get the hell out of here.

1/11/2012 11:40:18 AM

^^ note to (my)self: reading is fundamental

1/11/2012 12:29:21 PM

I'd like to thank face for pointing out that Bradford now gets cam newton money and not Sam bradford money

I must have been out of town when the rams suckered him into that renegotiation

1/11/2012 4:18:42 PM

wtf is dweedle talking about

1/11/2012 4:34:38 PM

^
I think he's referring to when you got suspenders for being a whiny cunt the NBA draft thread.

1/11/2012 4:46:13 PM

Quote :

"I will be commandeering this thread this year"

1/11/2012 4:55:18 PM