NC State (12-5, 1-1)
	vs
	Wake Forest (10-6, 1-1)
	Saturday, January 14th, 1:00pm TV: ACC Network (Get used to ACC Network, 9 of our remaining 14 games are ACCN games) AFFILIATES: http://www.theacc.com/live/2012-acc-basketball-match-center-nc-state-at-wake-forest.html#affiliate-list-anchor Check the list if you aren't in ACC territory, because it looks like Raycom has added a bunch of new affiliates out west, granted most of them are independent/digital subchannels, but if you happen to be in Medford, Oregan, you can watch on TV. LIVE WEB STREAMING: In ACC territory | Out of ACC territory

Wake Forest schedule to date:
Loyola (MD) W 75-63
Georgia Southern W 81-72
North Carolina Central W 93-79
vs Dayton L 80-76
vs Arizona State L 84-56
vs Texas Tech W 70-61
@ Nebraska W 55-53
Richmond L 70-62
@ High Point W 87-83
@ Seton Hall L 68-54
Gardner-Webb W 67-59
North Carolina-Wilmington W 87-78
Yale W 72-71
Wofford L 56-52
Virginia Tech W 58-55
@ Maryland L 70-64

1/12/2012 3:10:52 PM

I hate ACC Network.

Optimism rising (as always), hopefully I can get tickets to this through work.

1/12/2012 3:14:22 PM

We should be really small favorites.... like -3.5 or so

Sucks, because we really need to win this game to help secure an NIT bid

1/12/2012 3:32:00 PM

fuck the NIT, CBI here we come

dancing L

1/12/2012 3:40:37 PM

we got this.

I kinda of figured that we would lose to Ga Tech given how huge the MD game was. But this is a different situation, and I hope Gott can build a tradition of rebounding well after a loss.




[Edited on January 12, 2012 at 4:07 PM. Reason : df]

1/12/2012 3:47:45 PM

hate to say it but L

we haven't played well away very well and looking at last night's game, this doesn't look good.

1/12/2012 4:22:38 PM

Quote :

"We should be really small favorites.... like -3.5 or so Sucks, because we really need to win this game to help secure an NIT bid "

just stop. you try to troll everyone whenever you can. Do you think our fanbase really gives 2 shits about the NIT. NO. I want to see improvement game to game and go with where that takes us this year.

1/12/2012 4:25:05 PM

NCState by 18 points.

BOOK IT.

1/12/2012 4:28:40 PM

I'm not trolling. We will be small favorites, probably within a point of -3.5

And we do need to win this to get back on the NIT path.

Quote :

"I want to see improvement game to game and go with where that takes us this year."

"where it's taking us" is hopefully to the NIT. Missing the postseason altogether with this good of a team wouldn't bode well for our future. Surely, you can see that.

1/12/2012 4:30:23 PM

theres no way we dont make the NIT...none

1/12/2012 4:33:01 PM

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

We've slipped all the way to #61 in the RPI and we haven't even started losing a lot yet.

1/12/2012 4:37:49 PM

we need 4 more wins to qualify for the NIT

I would be willing to make a bet that we get at least 4 more wins

1/12/2012 4:39:36 PM

Does the NIT still work that way? It hasn't been a certainty that a high major gets invited solely with a winning record in a few years, has it?

I could be wrong but I thought they now guarantee conference reg season winners entry..

1/12/2012 4:41:28 PM

^ you are correct.

The NIT doesn't pick teams that won a certain number of games. They take regular season winners and then they take other teams who are considered deserving of at-large bids.

If the season ended today we'd probably be on the bubble.

1/12/2012 4:43:04 PM

they do guarantee conference winners but I wouldnt think theyd turn down any eligible big east/acc/big ten teams

1/12/2012 4:43:40 PM

alright i take that back, uva went 16-15 last year and didnt get invited to the nit

[Edited on January 12, 2012 at 4:48 PM. Reason : maryland went 19-14 and didnt make it, eek]

1/12/2012 4:47:11 PM

Wake Forest lives off points inside the arc. I doubt they get those against us.

They don't shoot threes at all. That's our main weakness defensively.

Defensively they are horrid.

They are hopelessly short and have zero depth.

I like NC State vs the spread. This has all the makings of a 30+ point game that might only be a 15 point spread.

1/12/2012 5:14:44 PM

Wake Forest lives off points inside the arc. I doubt they get those against us.

They don't shoot threes at all. That's our main weakness defensively.

Defensively they are horrid.

They are hopelessly short and have zero depth.

I like NC State vs the spread. This has all the makings of a 30+ point game that might only be a 15 point spread.

1/12/2012 5:17:29 PM

Right now we are

A Wake loss is this

1/12/2012 5:23:25 PM

^^ and ^^^ lol

we need to bounce back in this one.

1/12/2012 5:28:50 PM

i think i'm going to try to go to this one.

1/12/2012 5:30:52 PM

I think this will be a nail biter. State will need to stay out of foul trouble (like always) and will need to hit their FTs to win.

State = 81
Wake = 78

1/12/2012 5:35:23 PM

i had us going 3-1 in the first four but the loss was this game, not GT at home

if we win this the season is still salvageable. a loss and its meltdown time

1/12/2012 5:47:34 PM

I loled every time I heard that anything LESS THAN a 4-0 start would be disappointing. I am willing to bet that you would have to go back a while to find a 4-0 start to the league play.

[Edited on January 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM. Reason : f]

1/12/2012 6:03:04 PM

Quote :

"They don't shoot threes at all."

Neither did GT.

1/12/2012 6:53:07 PM

^You should probably read the campbell thread and get back to me.

1/12/2012 6:54:40 PM

Quote :

"I am willing to bet that you would have to go back a while to find a 4-0 start to the league play."

02-03

The ghost of Levi Watkins is upon you

1/12/2012 7:04:52 PM

Oh sweet we're back to NIT bubble talk. Same shit, different toilet.

1/12/2012 7:23:16 PM

You people

1/12/2012 9:17:21 PM

yes but how often do you start the season against 4 awful teams in the ACC?

Unfortunately, we aren't very good this season. AGAIN

1/12/2012 10:23:01 PM

This year we just lack (insert: depth, health, talent, experience), but with the recruits we got coming in next year...OH WE BACK. wait till next year!!

wait one year and repeat above statement.

1/12/2012 10:33:05 PM

iop1


go pack .. blah

1/12/2012 10:39:06 PM

^^ only one from those people have argued that we lack is depth

1/12/2012 10:41:47 PM

^plz2edit for comprehension kthx

1/12/2012 10:48:38 PM

lol. yikes.

should read "the only one of those that people have actually proposed (from depth, health, talent, experience) is our lack of depth"

1/12/2012 11:21:35 PM

he means that every year we do this, not that someone has said all of those.

1/13/2012 12:17:09 AM

Quote :

"02-03 The ghost of Levi Watkins is upon you"

This is incorrect; 02-03 started with a home win over Virginia and a blowout loss to GT on the road.

The last time we started league play at 4-0, we finished 12-0 and won the national championship.

1/13/2012 1:29:03 AM

So how many of you negative fucks thought that after a 15-16 season last year we were realistically an NCAA tournament team? This team is MUCH LESS TALENTED than last years team and so far has outperformed expectations outside of 1 shitty loss (all of the other losses are against solid NCAA tournament teams). Jesus tittyfucking christ I don't understand how you guys can be flipping out this much.

1/13/2012 8:02:00 AM

Quote :

"This team is MUCH LESS TALENTED than last years team"

stopped reading after that

1/13/2012 8:35:05 AM

Quote :

" This team is MUCH LESS TALENTED than last years team"

How do you figure? 2012 Howell is more valuable than 2011 Tracy, Brown and Johnson are miles ahead of Javy and Harrow, CJL is one of the five best players in the ACC instead of moping around for 25 minutes every night, and CJW has gone from a flaky seventh man to a dependable contributor.

1/13/2012 8:38:24 AM

Yeah, I think we have less depth this year but the talent is in place at the top. Of course, starting next year talent won't be an issue.

I'll say aside from the people who should be ignored anyway, I don't see the over the top reactions that adder is talking about. Hardly anyone worth paying attention to has even constructively criticized Gottfried.

1/13/2012 8:49:25 AM

Quote :

"we haven't played well away very well and looking at last night's game, this doesn't look good."

I tend to disagree. We beat Texas and St. Bonaventure and we had Stanford beat until CJL went out with an injury.

1/13/2012 8:56:35 AM

Quote :

"This is incorrect; 02-03 started with a home win over Virginia and a blowout loss to GT on the road."

I remember that game as the one that made Chris Bosh a lottery pick.

1/13/2012 8:59:03 AM

i am going and i am drinking beer. tickets are literally like $5.

1/13/2012 9:03:44 AM

Quote :

"I hate ACC Network."

I hated Raycom in the past when they weren't in HD but it looks like they bought some really nice cameras this year or the last. Their games look really really good on my TV. I'm kind of a PQ nut. If the announcers are bad I just tune them out.

1/13/2012 9:35:18 AM

^ its not just the quality of camera. They suck in many areas. They could have the nicest cameras in the world but it won't help a bit if they miss important plays b/c the cameramen/producer sucks .

1/13/2012 9:52:49 AM

i am going and i am drinking beer.

1/13/2012 10:22:07 AM

Quote :

"^plz2edit for comprehension kthx"

1/13/2012 11:23:42 AM

damn you people are doom and gloom already, we have a young team with a new coach, we're only going to get better this season unless yall start booing and doing stupid shit to hurt they're psyche.

We're not sunk... no matter how many losses we pick up in jan we could always win the acc tourney and pull it around.


[Edited on January 13, 2012 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2012 12:04:41 PM

set em up

1/13/2012 12:12:18 PM