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Why would anyone sit on a wait list for months to buy a car from a volatile start-up when they could buy a similar car for cheaper from a reliable manufacturer? Additionally, why would anyone invest in a company that cant turn a profit and whose CEO calls their questions "boneheaded" and goes on "fake news" rants on Twitter? Musk is a con artist and people are starting to catch on.

6/9/2018 2:07:35 PM

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^ Those cars don't exist yet, so you've kind of got a lot of assumptions baked into that prediction. Having a car that can travel easily from say, Raleigh to Atlanta practically is the strongest reason to buy a Tesla. Tesla still has a pretty good brand image, people will invest just for that.

The autopilot has a LONG way to go: while driving as a human you see 2nd and 3rd order consequences. A car merging in front of the car you are following and slamming on breaks. You'll know to slow down way before the autopilot notices a speed change of the car in the lead. Going around corners it has tons of blind spots, sometimes mistaking a parked car for one in your lane. A friend said, "You're basically trusting your life to the photoshop magic wand".

6/9/2018 5:13:41 PM

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"they could buy a similar car for cheaper from a reliable manufacturer? "


similar

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"Additionally, why would anyone invest in a company that cant turn a profit and whose CEO calls their questions "boneheaded"


Because of the product? Yeah. That's got to be it.

6/9/2018 10:34:26 PM

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Has anyone tried to find the "similar" aka ANY EV cars in NC? 90% of them are only sold in the states with higher gas efficiency requirements. I see all the ev cars except Lead and Bolt shown off by the old manufacturers and go to look for them and see "only sold in x, y, z states"

[Edited on June 10, 2018 at 9:09 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 10, 2018 at 9:11 AM. Reason : .]

6/10/2018 9:08:06 AM

adultswim
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There are quite a few coming out in the next year or two.

6/10/2018 12:09:32 PM

0EPII1
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^^ not saying his argument is correct or not (because I don't know), but he did clearly says this:

"Tesla is done when all of the new, comparable, cheaper EVs come out in 2019/2020."

IOW, you won't find them now.

6/10/2018 8:13:46 PM

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...and then he said this:

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"Why would anyone sit on a wait list for months to buy a car from a volatile start-up when they could buy a similar car for cheaper from a reliable manufacturer? "


Which is phrased in the current tense.

6/10/2018 9:35:20 PM

adultswim
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I meant it as in the future, my bad. Not saying Teslas are a bad buy right now.

[Edited on June 10, 2018 at 10:04 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2018 10:02:18 PM

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If you want style, at the moment then Tesla is your only choice. Though, the Model 3 doesn't look that great from some angles, and the Model X looks horrible...from all angles.

The Chevy Bolt is THE only affordable EV on the market right now (with a realistic vehicle range).

6/11/2018 8:53:30 AM

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"Tesla Is Laying Off 9 Percent Of Its Workforce "


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"In the email, Musk said the cuts were “almost entirely made from our salaried population and no production associates were included, so this will not affect our ability to reach Model 3 production targets in the coming months.”

“Given that Tesla has never made an annual profit in the almost 15 years since we have existed, profit is obviously not what motivates us,” he wrote. “What drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy, but we will never achieve that mission unless we eventually demonstrate that we can be sustainably profitable. That is a valid and fair criticism of Tesla’s history to date.”"


[Edited on June 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM. Reason : http://jalo.ps/EN4pD3R]

6/12/2018 2:19:54 PM

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https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-boring-company-wins-bid-to-build-high-speed-1826822962

6/17/2018 1:13:36 AM

adultswim
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/tesla-model-3-production-has-been-sabotaged-according-to-cnc/

6/19/2018 12:30:07 AM

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Given the amount of short selling, it's not a ludicrous thought.

6/19/2018 12:00:32 PM

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"According to Musk's email, the unnamed employee claimed he had become disgruntled after failing to receive a promotion. However, the Tesla CEO also suggested the alleged saboteur could have been working with short sellers, oil and gas companies—whom he described as "sometimes not super nice"—or "the multitude of big gas/diesel car company competitors." Of this last group, Musk reminded his employees that, since the traditional OEMs have been known to cheat emissions tests, "maybe they're willing to cheat in other ways.""


he's so full of shit haha

6/19/2018 12:54:20 PM

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so a company that forces purchasers of their autonomous cars and microgrid systems to allow them to make code updates at any time also has lax enough security that a single employee can make malicious code changes to multiple systems, and the CEO of that company thinks it is smart to announce as much on twitter?

[Edited on June 21, 2018 at 8:20 PM. Reason : could this be the beginning of a poop and scoop scheme?]

6/21/2018 8:17:10 PM

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-solar-exclusive/exclusive-tesla-to-close-a-dozen-solar-facilities-in-nine-states-documents-idUSKBN1JI013

Things starting to look rough.

6/22/2018 10:50:55 AM

0EPII1
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First proper competitor to the Model X, the Jaguar I-Pace, races the Model X 100D and P100D:

https://insideevs.com/watch-jaguar-i-pace-race-tesla-model-x-100d-p100d

I really don't understand how those cars are called SUVs.

6/25/2018 4:19:51 AM

OmarBadu
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Ordered my model 3 dual motor this morning

6/27/2018 8:40:43 AM

smoothcrim
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how much did that set you back? and with what options?

6/28/2018 7:11:06 AM

0EPII1
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The future Tesla Roadster's numbers were real, not theoretical:

https://insideevs.com/test-driver-calls-next-gen-tesla-roadster-a-proper-weapon

0-60 1.9
0-100 4.2
1/4 mile 8.8

6/28/2018 4:23:48 PM

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Isn't it far from the only 2 second electric car in the pipeline though?

6/28/2018 8:10:39 PM

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^ there might be one or two more, but i can't recall any.

one thing is for sure though: 1.x can only be achieved (within reason) by EVs. not that anybody needs a car like that or anything.

7/1/2018 7:04:20 PM

OmarBadu
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"how much did that set you back? and with what options?"


all options minus the performance ones - 62k - should be eligible for the 7500 federal credit though

7/2/2018 8:55:45 AM

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54k for a new model 3 vs a 1 or 2 year old model S. why'd you go for the 3?

7/2/2018 6:39:28 PM

OmarBadu
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Not much of a comparison in that price range - range and AP2 are two easy reasons

7/2/2018 9:48:59 PM

smoothcrim
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ah ok. I didn't know there was a difference in autopilot hardware

7/2/2018 10:02:47 PM

smoothcrim
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actually, the more I read, the more I see that AP1 has more training data for the DL backend and gives a superior experience

7/3/2018 12:50:26 AM

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Used market seems horrifying, especially the ones in that price range. You can get a P85D for $70K and occasionally in the mid $60K range.

I haven't seen a 1 to 2 year S for less that $70k, even the smallest battery, which is comparable to the old 85kwh.

^ AP1 was better until March this year. AP2 has mostly caught up, with the exception of the display not distinguishing between a motorcycle and a car.

I drove autopilot 2 early version and it was pretty terrible, borderline unusable.

[Edited on July 3, 2018 at 10:41 AM. Reason : A]

7/3/2018 10:38:18 AM

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Damn, what an asshole. Good read:

https://jalopnik.com/now-we-know-for-sure-elon-sucks-like-all-these-jackass-1827623885

Update:

https://jalopnik.com/the-pedo-thing-has-tesla-investors-pissed-1827652936

[Edited on July 17, 2018 at 7:15 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2018 7:14:15 PM

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"“This thing is unraveling,” said Gordon Johnson, the managing director of Vertical Group, a New York-based investment research group. “You had a very big shareholder last week say they want him to focus on executing and stop with the tweets — and then, this weekend, you get more tweets. What’s his angle? What is he doing? … He keeps promising all of these things, and he keeps missing, and he’s not being held to task.”"


Who else does that sound like?

[Edited on July 18, 2018 at 4:02 PM. Reason : img]

7/18/2018 4:02:14 PM

CaelNCSU
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https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort

7/18/2018 10:18:50 PM

adultswim
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incredible bootlicking. musk deserves the criticism he is receiving.

7/19/2018 1:28:58 PM

0EPII1
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So Chinese Teslas coming in a couple of years!

Where will he get 1-2 billion to make a factory?

7/21/2018 12:42:15 AM

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Saw a 3 in person on the road today, way nicer looking than I expected...

7/21/2018 2:23:40 AM

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VBOX Results Put Tesla Model 3 Performance At 3.18 Seconds To 60 MPH
https://insideevs.com/vbox-tesla-model-3-performance-3-32-seconds

Tesla Model 3 Outsold All Mercedes-Benz Cars Combined
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-outsold-all-mercedes-benz-cars-combined

Tesla Model 3 Outsells All Premium Mid-Sized Sedans In US Combined
https://insideevs.com/model-3-now-outsells-all-other-premium-mid-sized-sedans-in-the-us-combined

8/6/2018 12:03:54 PM

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"The End of Tesla Motors"

8/6/2018 11:38:41 PM

HaLo
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...as a publicly traded company?

8/7/2018 5:33:30 PM

0EPII1
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Model S P100D vs McLaren 720 S

standing 1/4 mile
rolling race from 50 mph
brake test from 70 mph

I won't spoil it for you, definitely a great matchup!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHgh4_1ksGQ

8/12/2018 9:29:17 PM

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I went to the Tesla dealership in CLT over the weekend to check out the Model 3. My wife asked me if I really wanted one (my lease is about to end in 3 mo). As much as I love tech stuff, I just can't justify spending $45k on a 1st gen model; especially an electric car.

The interior is pretty blah, but the Model 3 and X are fucking awesome.

8/14/2018 5:58:08 PM

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being blah is a side effect of the interior being so minimalist. We're conditioned to having all kind of buttons an vents and shit everywhere.

I imagine it would be an adjustment even for those who like it.

8/15/2018 9:03:39 AM

OmarBadu
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pick up my model 3 on saturday

8/16/2018 8:15:56 PM

TKE-Teg
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It's not just bland and spartan inside. The interior materials, at least on the "dashboard", look pretty cheap.

8/17/2018 8:49:53 AM

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^ yeah that's how I read it too

8/17/2018 12:17:58 PM

OmarBadu
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I’m in love

8/21/2018 9:38:12 PM

CaelNCSU
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Such a good color. Congrats.

[Edited on August 21, 2018 at 10:20 PM. Reason : a]

8/21/2018 10:20:25 PM

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gg Omarbadu

8/22/2018 12:57:37 PM

nacstate
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My neighbor has a black one with the same wheels, I don't dig it. That color (any other color probably) looks much better with those wheels. White would be best.

Obligatory trolly questions:

How are the panel gaps?
Has your rear bumper filled with water and full of yet?

8/23/2018 11:10:37 AM

CaelNCSU
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^ Coworker had the gap problems in the roof. It's like 1/2 inch and would def let water in.

8/23/2018 12:07:28 PM

OmarBadu
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So far so good. I follow reddit and tmc forums fairly closely and have seen the horror stories. With the speed they are producing cars I don’t doubt issues will arise. I’ve been lucky so far and all panel gaps are fairly minor. Can take more pics if people are interested.

8/23/2018 2:23:44 PM

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add some preventative duct tape to your bumper

8/24/2018 12:57:34 PM

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