Funny thing is, wdprice3 is the type of the guy that pisses his pants if he's ever confronted with a situation like this in real life.

And after he pusses out, he pulls his gun out and shoots himself in his urine-soaked drawers...cheddar bob style.

3/9/2012 10:51:04 AM

wdprice4 would never behave this way

3/9/2012 10:51:56 AM

haha, you have no real argument so you just use personal attacks, gg!

3/9/2012 10:52:16 AM

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"haha, you have no real argument so you just use personal attacks, gg!"

I've made my argument, which you reply with made up facts.

Go citizens-arrest someone.

3/9/2012 10:53:43 AM

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"You're butthurt over this because it was a sad misunderstanding"

Judge, it was a sad misunderstanding. I thought the money in his wallet was actually my money. I'm sure you can see how that would be totally plausible.

3/9/2012 10:54:07 AM

With almost no information yet people have already taken sides. This is exactly how the media wants people to behave.

1) Slant story
2) Wait for reaction
3)????
4) Profit

I'm not saying the guy isn't guilty, in fact I'm just not saying. I don't know I wasn't there. Do you think that in all what's possible the kid couldn't have been partly responsible?

Anyway, don't be white while defending your 54 year old father who's recovering from a heart attack

http://www.richarddiguglielmo.org/the-true-story

3/9/2012 10:55:02 AM

^^^doesn't exist in NC, so no thanks. And again, I made up no facts. I reiterated what was in the report and based on that explained by he hadn't been charged. You can say that I posted some implied statements, but I wouldn't call those making up facts. I mean, he hasn't been arrested yet, so to this point, the shooting has been seen as justified, meaning he wasn't seen as the one escalating the situation.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ^^]

3/9/2012 10:55:44 AM

I've had no problem following jbrick's argument thus far. I, however, have seen huge gaps in information with your argument of self defense....filled in with borderline silly assumptions. For example...a 17 year old kid with skittles attacking a stranger for no real reason.

3/9/2012 10:56:24 AM

Quote :

"haha, you have no real argument so you just use personal attacks, gg!"

jbrick83 has done this quite a bit, he gets so frustrated sometimes

3/9/2012 10:56:29 AM

haha ok then.

Let's follow this closely:

Guy shoots someone after a physical confrontation
Cops say so far the shooter's story checks out
Cops don't arrest/charge shooter

Now, what does this mean thus far? The guy, based on the investigation so far, was justified.
Which then means, the shooter didn't start the confrontation, according to evidence thus far.


Now, where's the hole?

And I'll say it again, if the final evidence points to the guy not being justified, then fine, fry him.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:58:04 AM

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"You can say that I posted some implied heavily biased statements, but I wouldn't call those making up facts."

Fixed that for you.

3/9/2012 11:00:03 AM

biased? where?

3/9/2012 11:00:22 AM

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"Now, where's the hole?"

In Trayvon's chest presumably.

3/9/2012 11:00:54 AM

If, perhaps, the kid had beaten this 26yo over the head repeatedly with his bottle of Arizona Iced Tea as zimmerman begged him to stop, then I could potentially see self defense. However, I have heard nothing about that, which leads me to think that it didn't happen.

But maybe time will tell...

3/9/2012 11:01:01 AM

Teenager is walking, minding his own business
Guy approaches teenager
Hole
Hole
Physical confrontation (according to the only one left living)
Hole
Guy shoots someone after a physical confrontation
Hole
Cops say so far the shooter's story checks out
Cops don't arrest/charge shooter

3/9/2012 11:03:03 AM

Cops don't have to automatically arrest someone on scene. In a shooting like this, it would most likely be prudent to review the case with a D.A. before bringing charges because the D.A. could see that there is/isn't a case worth pursing.

I also find it funny that all the people who jump on cops for shooting someone are defending this guy so vehemently. What makes this situation any different?

3/9/2012 11:03:06 AM

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"Cops say so far the shooter's story checks out"

There's a jump you're making. Because:

"Chief Bill Lee of the Sanford Police Department on Thursday evening said the account given by Martin’s family and attorney is correct"

is what's in the article.






Also:

"He told police that he shot Martin in self-defense"

does not equal

"Police say he shot Martin in self defense"

3/9/2012 11:03:49 AM

1: That's not what it means. It means the investigation is ongoing.
2: Even if the cops did say it's justified, that just proves that the justice system is broken when you can legally stalk and then murder someone.

3/9/2012 11:04:21 AM

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"Cops say so far the shooter's story checks out"

This, does not equal this

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"The chief said the police have met with Zimmerman on two to three separate occasions, and that their investigation should be wrapped up this week"

They're not done. If they arrested him on the information that has been given so far, then it would be wrong. Even I agree with that. When you only have two people that witnessed a murder, one person is dead, and the other is the one that killed the other person...you've got some stuff to figure out.

And if you're going to base your conclusion on, "Well the kid said it was self defense"....then I've got nothing more to say.

3/9/2012 11:04:37 AM

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"I also find it funny that all the people who jump on cops for shooting someone are defending this guy so vehemently."

Only one person is defending this guy, and he's, well...hmmm....

3/9/2012 11:05:46 AM

So let me restate again:

Based on the information thus far....

Based on the investigation thus far...

3/9/2012 11:06:31 AM

Seems like the majority of people think this guy was just walking home minding his own bidness when the white guy didn't like him being there and shot him.

Sounds reasonble. Esp. since the holes in the story could go against either side.

You know all of us white people are just waiting for the chace to shoot and kill a black person. Here's a hint, the cops are in on it.

3/9/2012 11:06:36 AM

so you all argue for guilt (which you have done ITT) with the holes in the investigation (not holes in my assesment) and that's fine; but I argue for not guilty and I'm in the wrong? OK!

3/9/2012 11:08:23 AM

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"NFL rail football players for legally carrying firearms"

when did this happen?

3/9/2012 11:09:06 AM

where does it say the neighborhood watch guy was in a car?

I missed that

3/9/2012 11:09:37 AM

wdprice: Here's my assessment.

modlin, et al: No, that's wrong. The cops say the dead kid's story is right, not the shooter. The cops also don't say it was in self-defense, that's what the shooter said. The cops are just reporting his story, not confirming it.

wdprice3: There's no holes in my assesment.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM. Reason : I can't tag for shit.]

3/9/2012 11:11:56 AM

^^

Quote :

"Martin, who was staying at The Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community, was walking home from the store when he caught the attention of Zimmerman, who began following the teen in his car. At one point, Zimmerman called 911, telling the operator about a "suspicious person in the area." "

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 11:14:33 AM

^^^

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/08/2684419/shooting-mystery-miami-dade-teen.html

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"Martin, who was staying at The Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community, was walking home from the store when he caught the attention of Zimmerman, who began following the teen in his car. At one point, Zimmerman called 911, telling the operator about a "suspicious person in the area." Soon after the 911 call, Zimmerman and the teen got into an altercation. Police declined to comment on who confronted whom first or what the altercation was about. Several persons called 911 when they heard shots. It was unclear how many shots were fired. It’s also unclear whether Zimmerman shot him from inside or if he stepped out of the car."

The segment i watched on another news site stated or implied that he did get out of his car, but sounds like that's not clear either.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 11:15:22 AM

Quote :

"Several persons called 911 when they heard shots"

Shots? Thought there was only one...

Quote :

"It’s also unclear whether Zimmerman shot him from inside or if he stepped out of the car.""

He got out...and there was a fight

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 11:17:17 AM

I mean, let's say this was just a murder in cold blood. What evidence is there going to be to the contrary? Possibly none. The guy shot someone that didn't even have a weapon. This wouldn't have happened if it was a white kid.

Anyone turning this into a right to bear arms issue is an idiot.

3/9/2012 11:17:18 AM

Oops, my bad:

Quote :

"The report said Zimmerman initially called police to report a suspicious person in the neighborhood and minutes later 911 dispatchers received several calls of shots being fired in the neighborhood. Zimmerman told police officers that he had shot Martin and officers found a semiautomatic handgun on him. The report said that Zimmerman's back was wet and he was covered in grass as if he had been on the ground. He was bleeding from his nose and the back of the head, the report said. A police officer said he overheard Zimmerman say, "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me" while he was being treated by paramedics. Zimmerman has been interviewed three times and is cooperating. He is claiming self-defense, even though he was following Martin, said Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee. "There is some physical evidence and some testimony that would corroborate some of that story," Lee said."

So the shooter did get beat up, and the police have confirmed some of his story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/trayvon-martin-fla-teen-k_n_1332440.html

3/9/2012 11:17:59 AM

ohhh my god tww is turning into websluts

you guys are fucking terrible

i'll just QFT here:

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"With almost no information yet people have already taken sides. This is exactly how the media wants people to behave. 1) Slant story 2) Wait for reaction 3)???? 4) Profit I'm not saying the guy isn't guilty, in fact I'm just not saying. I don't know I wasn't there. Do you think that in all what's possible the kid couldn't have been partly responsible? Anyway, don't be white while defending your 54 year old father who's recovering from a heart attack http://www.richarddiguglielmo.org/the-true-story"

3/9/2012 11:18:19 AM

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"I mean, let's say this was just a murder in cold blood. What evidence is there going to be to the contrary? Possibly none."

if the shooters head being bashed in? evidence to show it was truly self defense. apparently there was a witness who saw at least some of the altercation.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 11:21:14 AM

Again, I don't care how it went down, for me (maybe because I have a uterus ) he got out of the car and killed a kid. He was the adult, and should have behaved as one even if the kid had fought with him.

3/9/2012 11:23:31 AM

^got ya. If you get attacked because you ask someone a question, you deserve to be beat up.

3/9/2012 11:24:34 AM

If you walk drive around and follow people with a gun, YOU get to ask the questions.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:26 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 11:26:02 AM

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"got ya. If you get attacked because you ask someone a question, you deserve to be beat up."

who is making up false backstories now?

you don't know that the kid just turned around and hit him.

3/9/2012 11:27:10 AM

I mean, if we're making shit up..... it's ok to pick a fight with someone, and shoot them

3/9/2012 11:27:45 AM

^^^So this guy, who has a CCH permit, who was carrying (probably like he always does) and sees a suspicious person then tails him to find out where he's going is out to get someone?

Hell, I guess I'm a bad guy, because I've had my firearm with me, saw someone suspicious and kept an eye on them.


[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 11:27:48 AM

Quote :

"Again, I don't care how it went down, for me (maybe because I have a uterus ) he got out of the car and killed a kid. He was the adult, and should have behaved as one even if the kid had fought with him."

He made a bad decision to get out of the car and escalate the situation, but that doesn't mean he should get charged with murder *if* the evidence points towards self defense...does it?

I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but based on the lack of charges at this point I've got to lean towards this being ruled as self defense.

Quote :

"Hell, I guess I'm a bad guy, because I've had my firearm with me, saw someone suspicious and kept an eye on them."

This idiot did a fair bit more than that...

3/9/2012 11:27:51 AM

So we still know it wasn't:

Guy follows teen in car
Attempts to perform a citizens arrest
Teen ignores him
Guy tries to physically detain teen
Teen defends himself
Guy shoots teen when he starts losing the fight

3/9/2012 11:28:13 AM

^^watch out; you'll get called out as making shit up for statements like that.
^^I know that; I was responding to crede

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 11:29:48 AM

Quote :

"Guy follows teen in car Attempts to perform a citizens arrest Teen ignores him Guy tries to physically detain teen Teen defends himself Guy shoots teen when he starts losing the fight "

Struck through the speculation.

3/9/2012 11:30:05 AM

so no one knows wtf happened, so we should stop speculating?




(I will admit, deep down I don't like the guy because he killed a kid that lived there without a very good amount of self defense evidence, so I realize I am being bias)

3/9/2012 11:30:12 AM

^^Well duh, that's why it was prefaced with the disclaimer about not knowing which you didn't include in the quote.

Simply pointing out a different story to the narrative of those that are convinced the teen started the physical confrontation that got the guy on the ground.



[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:33 AM. Reason : -]

3/9/2012 11:31:57 AM

^^fine by me. But you people don't need to get on me for arguing the opposite of you all when we all have the same information. If you want to get on me for using the known facts and tell me I'm wrong because all of the information isn't yet known, then the rest of you can stop posting as well, because you're doing the same thing I am.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ^]

3/9/2012 11:32:05 AM

so no one knows wtf happened, so we ALL should stop speculating?

3/9/2012 11:33:12 AM

Quote :

"(I will admit, deep down I don't like the guy because he killed a kid that lived there without a very good amount of self defense evidence, so I realize I am being bias)"

Technically he didn't live there..he was just visiting, but yeah I feel ya.

We'll just have to wait for the facts to come out and see what actually happened. forget about this by next week.

3/9/2012 11:33:19 AM

Quote :

" So this guy, who has a CCH permit, who was carrying (probably like he always does) and sees a suspicious person then tails him to find out where he's going is out to get someone?"

kid with skittles is looking to attack strangers vs. guy with gun following people around and questioning them?


BTW, having CCH permit does not magically bless someone with superior decision making skills. I really hope you weren't trying to bring this point across, because wdprice4 would never do such a thing.

3/9/2012 11:33:28 AM

Quote :

"So this guy, who has a CCH permit, who was carrying (probably like he always does) and sees a suspicious person then tails him to find out where he's going is out to get someone? Hell, I guess I'm a bad guy, because I've had my firearm with me, saw someone suspicious and kept an eye on them."

I guess you're forgetting the part where he did his citizen's duty and notified the police, who then told him to BACK OFF. He ignored this directive and continued on whatever agenda that he had committed to. So I guess you can dismiss the fact that he was just simply "doing his part".

3/9/2012 11:33:28 AM