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sand robot
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Gotta balance it bc we all know leslie and howell will foul out every other game

11/27/2012 8:25:21 PM

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Can't wait for face to tell you how stupid you are

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 8:26 PM. Reason : ^^ not ^]

11/27/2012 8:25:34 PM

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That's fine, just as long as we maximize the minutes they play for us. We have seen that vandy is a total liability. Play our good players, hope we can build a lead, then coast until the end of game free throws.

11/27/2012 8:26:52 PM

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Same as last year at this point -- if we play even average defense, we win this game.

Don't get why he can't figure out the defense earlier. Just as with last year, we need to do a much better job of stopping the dribbler off of screens.

11/27/2012 9:27:03 PM

sand robot
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It's ok. The ACC is goung to get raped by the B1G in this year's challenge

11/27/2012 9:28:43 PM

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We came back as soon he gave up on that zone bullshit

11/27/2012 9:29:19 PM

sand robot
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This was a game where we couldve used painter

11/27/2012 9:30:42 PM

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Herb has a better record than Gott

just sayin

11/27/2012 9:32:03 PM

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I expect to see more zone because we lack lock down perimeter defenders and can't afford to put CJL and Howell in a lot of rim defending situations. We have to get better at zone and man defense, because good passing and shooting teams like Michigan will kill our zone. It didn't help that our team isn't used to playing zone and was usually out of position inside.

11/27/2012 9:33:19 PM

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we need a guard/wing who understands how to play defense more than painter

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 9:33 PM. Reason : ^im fine with us playing zone. just not against michigan or duke]

11/27/2012 9:33:27 PM

hey now
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+1 for having us playing at the #3 team in the country during the Challenge instead of hosting Nebraska.

11/27/2012 9:34:36 PM

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please teach wood how to do anything off a dribble

11/27/2012 9:34:42 PM

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^ this big man speaks the truth. our one trick pony got seriously one trick ponied by their one trick pony

11/27/2012 9:36:28 PM

sand robot
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Please teach Gott to bench Wood

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM. Reason : There is no reason at any point of his college career that he should be playing more than 15mins per]

11/27/2012 9:36:47 PM

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Or throw in a 3-2 zone rather than 2-3 to stop shooters.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 9:36:59 PM

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^^ I can get behind that

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM. Reason : m]

11/27/2012 9:37:13 PM

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Wood reminds me of Horner with his pump fake, create space, do nothing move.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM. Reason : :]

11/27/2012 9:39:53 PM

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"Or throw in a 3-2 zone rather than 2-3 to stop shooters."


11/27/2012 9:41:43 PM

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"Wood reminds me of Horner with his pump fake, create space, do nothing move."


Wood quits after the first pump at least.

11/27/2012 9:42:19 PM

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except Horner got better as his career progressed

and he actually set foot on an NBA court

11/27/2012 9:43:05 PM

hey now
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This thread is taking a turn for the faggot.

11/27/2012 9:44:21 PM

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I think all of Sid's guys are headcases. No excuses for Gott but he's having to work with some cray

11/27/2012 9:44:36 PM

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Here's how Wood's game should have evolved:

FR - Catch, shoot or pass
SO - Catch, shoot, dribble into a corner then pass
JR - Catch, shoot, dribble then shoot or pass
SR - Catch, shoot, dribble and shoot, dribble for a lay up/foul or pass to an open 3/cutter

Here's how Wood's game has evolved:

FR - Catch, shoot or pass
SO - Catch, shoot or pass
JR - Catch, shoot or pass
SR - Catch, shoot, dribble into a corner then pass

The early development stall falls on Lowe. Scott and Gott take some blame for not making up for lost time, though.

11/27/2012 11:55:13 PM

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Wood apparently busted his ass this summer trying to work on his dribble/drive game. At the end of the day, though, you are what you are. He's a heady player and a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. That's it.

11/28/2012 12:16:26 AM

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Wood's a good shooter, but if he's the the best one we get in my entire lifetime...

11/28/2012 12:24:12 AM

skokiaan
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If the choice is between Wood driving more and Brown driving more (and at this point, it is), clearly we want Brown driving more.

Wood is doing fine offensively. He should be working on his defense, not his offense.

11/28/2012 12:58:21 AM

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You faggots are really bitching about Wood after this game??

11/28/2012 1:09:49 AM

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wow. Now this is all Wood's fault. You people. He has a chance to be our all time leading 3 point shooter and he sucks? wow.

11/28/2012 2:10:44 AM

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Posted: Today 2:26 AM
Re: Michigan post-game thread (79-72 Wolverines)
I've read dozens of post tonight all citing our piss poor defense. And a number of posts crowning Duke as the "best" in the ACC cause K teaches defense and Gott does not.

Well here are the numbers so far this year: Duke held opponents to 40.8% shooting, NCSU 40.2% shooting. Maybe our 3 pt defense is worse... Duke held opponents to 33.0% 3 pt shooting, NCSU 32.8%

We've rebound better than Duke as well, so far.

I don't see a thing wrong with our defense statistically. Our problem is in two key areas:

1) We don't take enough 3 pt shots. We have taken 84 3 pt attempts this year. Our Opponents have made 134 attempts. Our opponents have made 44 3's, we have made only 33. Those 11 more 3's represent 5.5 points per game we are giving up, even though we are shooting a higher 3 pt %

2) We don't take enough free throws, and we missed too many of those we do take. Duke gets 24.9% of it's points from Free Throws; NCSU gets only 17.3% of it's points from Free Throws


Stats courtesy of Statsheet



PPG FG% FT% 3P% RPG ORPG DRPG APG TPG SPG BPG FPG
DUKE 78.2 47.4 79.1 37.3 33.0 9.2 23.8 15.2 13.0 7.2 5.7 18.2
NCSU 78.8 52.5 61.7 39.3 37.0 10.0 27.0 13.5 13.7 6.5 2.8 17.0
DUKE Opponents 65.0 40.8 71.0 33.0 35.0 13.2 21.8 8.8 15.7 6.2 2.5 20.3
NCSU Opponents 70.8 40.2 77.6 32.8 33.8 12.0 21.8 11.3 12.2 7.5 3.7 18.5


Yet we are 4-2 and Duke is 6-0 with almost identical defensive numbers. The differences are FT and 3 pt attempts. We need to shoot more 3 pointers and we need to shoot better at the line. Believe it or not our defense is fine........

11/28/2012 3:42:12 AM

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Duke also beat the #2 and #3 team in the country, so let's not compare ourselves with them just yet. We're obviously better than UNC, but let's not get ahead of ourselves...

Even Gottfried has bitched about the defense, so I really don't buy your argument.

11/28/2012 5:21:13 AM

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the problem with our defense can't be demonstrated "statistically;" just watch any of our games so far, especially the last 3 or 4. It can be fixed though. I still think we have the talent to have a top 10 team we just need to pull it together on both ends of the court.

11/28/2012 8:02:36 AM

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Michigan was also on fire last night. Not saying that our defense was great...but they hit their share of contested threes and got a decent amount of easy buckets off of loose balls.

11/28/2012 8:13:45 AM

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Oh I definitely agree with that.

11/28/2012 8:16:32 AM

skokiaan
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The old "the other team was on fire" idiotic argument. The other team is always on fire if you play bad defense. 3 point defense is about stopping 3 point attempts the other team wants, and we do very little to stop this.


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"Duke also beat the #2 and #3 team in the country"


Bingo. Duke is also much better at forcing turnovers, which lead to the easiest points in the game. Left out that stat. Their defensive efficiency and kenpom defense rating is also much better. Don't let the stats fool you -- we are not fine on defense at all. I applaud your attempt at using evidenced-based reasoning, though.



[Edited on November 28, 2012 at 8:45 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2012 8:35:59 AM

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"Michigan was also on fire last night."

And OSU was on Fire. And UNCA was on fire. Teams always seem to be "on fire" against us...

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"Maybe our 3 pt defense is worse... Duke held opponents to 33.0% 3 pt shooting, NCSU 32.8%
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One important thing was left out of that equation: how many 3s are teams attempting against Duke.

11/28/2012 10:27:18 AM

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Every team we face lives off points inside the arc. I doubt they get those against us.

Michigan doesn't usually shoot threes at all. That's our main weakness defensively.

Yet they got a ton of threes last night. Every team gets a ton of threes against us.

11/28/2012 10:47:57 AM

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Mich averages like 9/19 from 3 on the year

so they actually shot worse from 3 against us than they have been.......and are one of the best 3pt shooting teams in the nation

11/28/2012 12:38:29 PM

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/appreciates

3/7/2013 9:05:18 AM

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"First time we beat UNC, Duke, and Wake at home in the same season since the 80's.

Two consecutive 20+ win seasons in his first two years.

Two consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances.

A Sweet Sixteen appearance in his First Season."

3/7/2013 9:38:04 AM

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3/14/2013 12:46:46 PM

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DEAL WITH IT

3/14/2013 2:29:02 PM

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If we lose today, no tournament.

3/14/2013 2:55:32 PM

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""First time we beat UNC, Duke, and Wake at home in the same season since the 80's.

Two consecutive 20+ win seasons in his first two years.

Two consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances.

A Sweet Sixteen appearance in his First Season.""


-arguably the most talented team we've had since the 80's
-relative to typical Duke, UNC, and Wake teams since the 80's, even more of a talent gap
...if we don't maximize our talent in the postseason, then its a serious black eye for gott

3/14/2013 3:09:19 PM

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Yeah, serious black-eye

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"this win gives us 47 wins in the past 2 seasons-- the most since the 72-73 and 73-74 seasons."


[Edited on March 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM. Reason : it's actually the 73/74 and 74/75 season, or so i read in another thread]

3/14/2013 5:06:08 PM

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Survive and beat the state of Virginia

3/14/2013 5:11:55 PM

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Fuck the commonwealth

3/14/2013 5:13:41 PM

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"-relative to typical Duke, UNC, and Wake teams since the 80's, even more of a talent gap"


Eh, maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but lets not go overboard. We have 3 late first-early second round picks and one possible lottery pick in Warren. Great talent for us, but nothing really exceptional. UNC has had teams with multiple lottery picks. Wake had Tim Duncan and Chris Paul. Not together, but those are two of the best basketball players ever. Duke had ..... well mostly a bunch of busts at the NBA level, but some pretty amazing college players. Still, the 2000 chip' team and the team with Deng, Reddick, Duhon, and Shelden Williams were way more talented then our current squad.

3/14/2013 5:45:33 PM

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+1 for the Nard Dogg

4/30/2013 10:16:02 AM

Førte
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<3 Gott

3/16/2014 6:25:22 PM

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+3

3/16/2014 6:25:51 PM

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