Since this is where serious LEGIT discussions take place...

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"GeniuSxBoY Lets focus on the first set of genitals that formed human's current set of genitals: the penis and vagina. How does evolution explain the penis and vagina? How would a cell know how to write two different constructs of the same version of species, to fit lock and key, in its current shape and form, in order to procreate? What did penis and vagina evolve from? I could think of 1000 other ways that could be more easy to procreate, so who/what was in charge of this shift to penis and vaginae? Why did it choose the shape of the penis and vagina from an engineering standpoint. Why did they incorporate pleasure when other species are said not to have pleasure yet they reproduce just fine. Why don't we have multiple forms of people that reproduce differently? Reproductive trial and error couldn't have all failed except this one. What the deuce? My only explanation is that it had be designed by someone, it wasn't evolution. You can't evolve into two different constructs of DNA if a third or fourth can't or never happened naturally."

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"Klatypus if you are saying that because you yourself are not capable of answering these questions, therefore there is a god, then you are ridiculous, and not the troll I thought you were."

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"GeniuSxBoY Can you even imagine, even fathom, an answer that can explain this, that which doesn't have intelligence, can create such a system?"

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"Klatypus man down I am not explaining biology to you, I have other things to do today. [Edited on April 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM. Reason : if you believe in intelligent design, then fine, but the absence of answers is not evidence]"

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" GeniuSxBoY All American Do you know what DNA is? It's a code. Can unintelligent design design a code?"

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" Klatypus do you know what pizza is? good, go make me some. Klatypus but seriously, a random code that is selected for over thousands of years "

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" GeniuSxBoY I suppose you guys have it all figured out "

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" Klatypus, no I never said that either, I proposed an answer to your question. I cannot explain it, but I am not so desperate to fill that void that I will pretend to know that it is intelligent design either. If faith brings you to that conclusion, then good for you. Faith is not science and you cannot prove that either. "

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" Eaton Bush Why is the idea of Intelligent Design or a God so ridiculous? Your simple thoughtless answer is evolution. The Universe we live in is complex and neither ID or Evolution fully explain our questions. To me both offer explanations. We are not here by accident. We are the way we are mostly by design and somewhat through evolution. There is also a reason we don't know all the answers; we were put here to learn, to discover and to grow. Everything in our universe is here for that purpose as are the events that occur. Life is school for the soul, as your soul grows it will graduate from one life to the next. Your soul may have started as an ant and eventually graduated to the life you are in today. We are all also interconnected and collectively the souls of all living things are God. God is not the singular being in Heaven that most people view him as, but it is simpler and more convenient to view God this way. This life may not be, have been or will be your only one as a human. We all have rolls to play to teach and help each other to grow. This explains why there are terrible events and terrible people. These things cause growth... evolution. "

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" Klatypus Yea I get it, it's cool to believe that. Quote : " Your simple thoughtless answer is evolution" it is not thoughtless, in fact it has been given a lot of thought. "

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"Eaton Bush I thought you'd say that. "

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" JeffreyBSG I wish creationists would use arguments like this (involving penises and vaginas) more frequently more people would listen to them "

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" Klatypus well if you actually want a legit convo on this, you can post in TSB or the lounge. [Edited on April 1, 2012 at 1:11 PM. Reason : .] "

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" Eaton Bush Because the location on the internet means so much? "

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" GeniuSxBoY I hate the idea of god, but the fact that we exist out of nothing. We talk about unintelligent design/evolution because something that has no brain somehow put 2 and 2 together to form everything you see around you. It only has forces that attract and repel each other to work with. I see you. You're human. You have a brain. You know intelligence exists in this universe because you are an example of it. what are humans made from? Cells what are cells made from? atoms what are atoms made from? proton, neutrons, and electrons what are protons and elections made from? quarks What are quarks? elementary particle and a fundamental constituent of matter What are driving these quarks? Push and Pull forces. Starting with the first 10^450 quarks, explain how they pushed and pulled their way to a penis and vagina. How did quarks start thinking before the brain was invented to invent a thinking thing called a brain? My brain hurts thinking about it. [Edited on April 1, 2012 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]"

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

4/1/2012 1:27:25 PM

All of my serious threads in the Lounge are moved to Chit Chat by OmarBaDooDoo, why bother?

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" From : OmarBadu To : GeniuSxBoY Received : Monday March 26, 2012 at 11:37 PM Subject : Your topic has been moved! Your topic, Moles, has been moved from The Lounge to Chit Chat by OmarBadu. "

4/1/2012 1:32:45 PM

I'll play.

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"What did penis and vagina evolve from? I could think of 1000 other ways that could be more easy to procreate, so who/what was in charge of this shift to penis and vaginae? Why did it choose the shape of the penis and vagina from an engineering standpoint. "

Our aquatic ancestors had to have a way of spraying sperm into the water. This allowed females to get pregnant. Females who got pregnant by everything weren't very fit so neither were their children.

Females with a mutation that made it difficult to impregnate them were more fit because now only the strongest, most potent males with the largest spray radius could pregnate them. This all accelerated on land.

Then males who could not spray far were not as fit as males with long narrow pipes tomaximize pressure.

Basically insurance that stronger males when have more babies. Easier ways to procreate died off because the weak were able to always do it.

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"Why did they incorporate pleasure when other species are said not to have pleasure yet they reproduce just fine."

individuals with mutation that gave them pleasure wanted to reproduce more and so they did and they made more babies and took over the population.

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"Why don't we have multiple forms of people that reproduce differently? Reproductive trial and error couldn't have all failed except this one."

yes and this all happened long before people or even mammals.

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"You can't evolve into two different constructs of DNA if a third or fourth can't or never happened naturally.""

actually all evolution is really is mutations and then natural selection over time. A mutation can occur to any part of the dna and occurs randomly but definitely. The body is always replicating dna to make cells and every now and then it screws up a letter in the code. Also the sun and other environmental factors can damage the code. Every change in the code can potentially lead to new traits which will be passed on to the next generation. If these traits make them more likely to die then they will fade out over several generations but if they help them live then the traits will explode and begin to dominate the population (since nobody with them dies young).

Thats all evolution is. Peoples main mistake is thinking evolution is going somewhere or some sort of progression. Its not. It just depends on whats good in the environment.

4/1/2012 5:24:24 PM

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"Our aquatic ancestors had to have a way of spraying sperm into the water. This allowed females to get pregnant. Females who got pregnant by everything weren't very fit so neither were their children. Females with a mutation that made it difficult to impregnate them were more fit because now only the strongest, most potent males with the largest spray radius could pregnate them. This all accelerated on land."

no

4/1/2012 7:33:28 PM

^ok then stick with Adam's rib

4/1/2012 7:39:59 PM

your explanation doesn't even make sense...in fact, there is a greater likelihood that it's the OPPOSITE of what you said

jizzing in the water and hoping it just happens to come into contact with the opposite sex is a very poor method by which to ensure fertilization...the "spray radius" is virtually irrelevant as the current will move the sperm anyway (you might have been more correct in noting sperm amount)

moving the genitals closer to each other, however, ensures a higher rate of fertilization (so less "spray" is needed, actually)...from this comes a more sure-fire way: fertilization within the body

the evolution of mammalian reproduction is unknown, of course, so even that is conjecture...but it at least has more evidence supporting the theory in nature

4/1/2012 9:04:29 PM

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"Our aquatic ancestors had to have a way of spraying sperm into the water. This allowed females to get pregnant. Females who got pregnant by everything weren't very fit so neither were their children. Females with a mutation that made it difficult to impregnate them were more fit because now only the strongest, most potent males with the largest spray radius could pregnate them. This all accelerated on land."

I really hate to go there but.....







































rofl

4/1/2012 11:54:28 PM