http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/12/tonight-on-ac360-investigation-of-a-veteran-shot-by-police/?hpt=ac_mid

Quote :

"The call for help was not unusual. A 68-year-old veteran with a heart condition had tripped a medical alert device he keeps around his neck in the early hours of a winter morning. The company that services the device informed a 911 operator the device had been triggered and asked for an ambulance to go to the address. But police arrived at Kenneth Chamberlain's apartment first. And hours later Chamberlain was dead, not from his heart condition, but from two bullets fired by White Plains, NY police officer Anthony Carelli. Now Kenneth Chamberlain’s family has joined civil rights activists alleging this case raises similar questions to that of Trayvon Martin who was shot dead by a neighborhood watch volunteer: Do police or civilians trying to enforce the law shoot first and ask questions later when they are dealing with African Americans? Officer Carelli, is white ,and Kenneth Chamberlain is black. Chamberlain lived in a public housing complex in a rundown section of White Plains, New York where law enforcement sources said only that he was "known to them," from previous calls to police but won’t say what they were for. Chamberlain was never arrested by police, who note there was a black police officer on the scene the night he was shot and say that Chamberlain came at them with knives in hand. Shots were fired only after police tried to subdue him with a taser and bean-bag rounds. What makes Chamberlain's supporters cast off those complexities, and call this an incident of “racial profiling,” is a rare trove of video and audio evidence they were shown by prosecutors taking the case to a grand jury. There is footage from a hallway security camera, audio recorded by the medical alert device and video from a camera on the taser they used to subdue him before the shooting began. The White Plains District Attorney allowed the family to review the audio and video tapes. "I saw them with their guns out because you have to open the door just a little bit in order to look out into the door. So at that point he said, 'oh you got your guns drawn. You come here to kill me. I'm a 68-year-old man with a heart condition.' So at that point I know they had to see him and he had to see them," said his son, Kenneth, Jr." "I really started hearing fear in his voice." Chamberlain says his father does not appear violent and has no weapons in hand, though he does see him throw a silver object through the partly opened door at one point. Kenneth Jr. also heard a police officer say the n-word on the audio tape, a fact confirmed by law enforcement sources. And there was a witness to the police use of force in trying to enter Chamberlain's apartment. His niece and neighbor, Tanya Greenhill, ran down from her apartment to tell police the medical alert device had been triggered accidently and to please let his family talk to him instead of bursting in. "They kept telling him open the door and he kept telling them to please leave him alone and go away. He didn't need the assistance he was OK and they kept telling him to open the door," she recalls them saying as she stood outside in her pajamas. White Plains Public Safety Commissioner David Chong later told reporters that police had tried to subdue Chamberlain with a taser, then bean bag rounds before firing. He said his office is cooperating with a grand jury investigation, but would not say whether Carelli continues to be on patrol. Carelli's lawyers say he is a decorated officer who followed procedures. Police will discuss their guidelines on subduing someone who is threatening or emotionally disturbed, if Chamberlain was in fact acting irrationally. A law enforcement source said the medical alert company said only that the device had been triggered and gave his address which typically sends an ambulance and patrol car to the scene. Medical records obtained by CNN confirm Chamberlain did have a severe heart condition, which his family claims is proof he could not have been that threatening. CNN also obtained an autopsy report which shows the bullet entered through the upper side of his right arm, which could indicate he was shot either with his arm down or while turning away. There is no way to know for sure because the taser camera turns off before the shooting begins. His family has joined leaders of the NAACP at rallies, demanding that investigators release all evidence on the case and arrest the officer. They do not believe Chamberlain could have been threatening enough to justify the use of force and alleged that this is a case where race trumped logic, that force was used where calm was needed. The facts will sort out exactly what happened in this shooting over time, but even Carelli’s lawyer acknowledged that the family may feel dissatisfied whatever the result of the inquiry. "We trust that the grand jury will rightfully determine that Officer Carelli's actions, while perhaps not understandable or acceptable to the family members, attorneys and other emissaries of the Chamberlain family, were justified under our laws," Carelli's lawyers, Andrew C. Quinn and John D'Alessandro, said in a written statement. Chamberlain's lawyers have already made up their minds. "I think that what happened that night is that Mr Chamberlain happened to live in public housing and we had police officers who gave him a command to open the door and when he didn't acknowledge their command, really became very agitated and angry because he was defying what they asked him to do," says Chamberlan attorney Randy McLaughlin. "They forgot that they were there to deal with a medical emergency. You have here a 68-year-old man who has served this country in Vietnam for six years, and a 20-year retired member of the Department of Corrections for Westchester County who died, but didn't have to die.""

For all the bravery and fortitude police officers espouse, they seem to be terrified by the weakest of people. A 68 year old man with a heart condition versus 5 police officers armed and in riot gear? HE'S COMIN RIGHT FOR US!!!.... better taze, beanbag, and then shoot to kill this unstoppable killing machine before he murders everyone in the community.

Best part:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/kenneth-chamberlain-niece-details-night-shooting-deadly-confrontation-police-ve-avoided-article-1.1057144#ixzz1rIpY8xPU

Quote :

"According to Chong, Chamberlain attacked police first with a hatchet and then a knife. In an attempt to subdue him, cops used a Taser, then shot beanbags at him. Carelli finally fired two shots from his service gun as Chamberlain advanced with a knife. But the dead man’s son and his lawyers, who have seen videos from a camera attached to the Taser and a security camera, say Chamberlain had no weapon in his hand when cops fired the stun gun."

Are you fucking serious?


[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 2:53:45 PM

tl,dr

4/13/2012 2:54:48 PM

^

4/13/2012 2:55:00 PM

If you're too lazy to read, watch this:

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/6/new_details_emerge_over_police_fatal

4/13/2012 2:57:20 PM

Or:

Cops show up to an apartment where the resident accidentally triggered his life alert.

He refused to let the cops in to make sure everything is ok in the apartment.

Confrontation ensues, guy is shot and killed.

He was black, so the family immediately assumes it's a racial issue.

4/13/2012 2:59:48 PM

^

You fucking shithead. Didn't you even read the article?

Quote :

"Kenneth Jr. also heard a police officer say the n-word on the audio tape, a fact confirmed by law enforcement sources. "

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 3:00:45 PM

Oh, and on the taser video, Mr. Chamberlain (the victim) is heard saying, "They're going to kill me. Semper Fi," and the officers outside, apparently mocking him, say "Hoo-rah! Hoo-rah!" before bursting in and killing him.

Nope, nothing going on here. Just an accident. Business as usual.

4/13/2012 3:03:01 PM

Yes, because saying the word nigger automatically makes you a racist.

Some people use it to describe a certain type of black person.

Just like some black people call some whites rednecks, or honkies, or crackers.



Nobody is saying it's not some huge accident.

But it's stupid to just come out and say it's a racial issue just because the guy is black.

Perhaps the cops were former Army and hated Marines?


[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:04 PM. Reason : ,]

4/13/2012 3:03:02 PM

^LOL.

that's fucking it, tacolu.

4/13/2012 3:04:35 PM

Bye.

4/13/2012 3:05:20 PM

I think the issue isn't so much about using the n-word... rather than using the n-word within about a minute before murdering a black person in cold blood.

4/13/2012 3:06:03 PM

^lol

4/13/2012 3:06:49 PM

Quote :

"Yes, because saying the word nigger automatically makes you a racist. Some people use it to describe a certain type of black person."

-tacolu

4/13/2012 3:07:01 PM

tacolu please explain that to your black coworkers, I am sure you will remain in your job.

4/13/2012 3:07:45 PM

Quote :

"Some people use it to describe a certain type of black person."

Even Metta World Peace thinks that comment is too self-referential.

4/13/2012 3:07:57 PM

The thug on the street corner slinging crack and pimpin his hoes while slapping them is a nigger.

Lil Wayne is a nigger.

All these wanna be gangster thug idiots are niggers.

The responsible, law abiding, black guy attending college, or workign hard to support his family is a black person.

Obama is black.

Bryant Gumble is black.

Most of the black people in my classes are black.

There is a difference.

And if black people want it to go away, then they need to stop using it themselves.

Quote :

"tacolu please explain that to your black coworkers, I am sure you will remain in your job."

Already have. Hell, a lot of black people will agree that there is a difference in being black, and being a nigger.



[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM. Reason : ,]

4/13/2012 3:09:26 PM

moving along...

4/13/2012 3:10:02 PM

Whoa, Bryant Gumble is not black

4/13/2012 3:11:10 PM

All niggers are black, but not all blacks are niggers.

Just like all rednecks are white, but not all whites are rednecks.

4/13/2012 3:11:23 PM

shit

so I should only call white people rednecks?

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!?

4/13/2012 3:14:41 PM

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 3:16:44 PM

^^^that is false

I know asian and black rednecks, I know white and hispanic people that call eachother nigger and this could go on and on

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM. Reason : ^^^]

4/13/2012 3:17:32 PM

I completely agree with tacolu 100% that there is a difference between a black person and a nigger. I have met many black people that also agree on this. The biggest problem that blacks face today however is that the small percentage who fit tacolu's definition of a nigger make the rest of the race look bad and make white people have a bad taste in their mouth about the race as a whole. It sucks but it is true and you all know this.

4/13/2012 4:03:04 PM

4/13/2012 4:11:55 PM

who cares? i'm so sick of the media making something out of nothing

4/13/2012 4:14:37 PM

This isn't nothing. A man was basically executed by the police for no reason.

4/13/2012 4:27:04 PM

tacolu = Chubb Rock exposed??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVEWGKf2BZI#t=40s

4/13/2012 4:40:08 PM

Quote :

"This isn't nothing. A man was basically executed by the police for no reason"

True. But it's being made into a bigger deal because the guy is black.

4/13/2012 4:55:43 PM

What's weird is that God clearly saw this in a thread 2 weeks ago.

message_topic.aspx?topic=625617

4/13/2012 4:59:56 PM

The fuck did Weezy ever do?

4/13/2012 5:01:52 PM

tongue kissed Baby?

4/13/2012 5:04:15 PM

I wish God would disappear again.

4/13/2012 5:11:55 PM

Nobody was there, but life alert was there.

4/13/2012 5:35:33 PM

PLEASE move this to tsb

4/13/2012 5:38:32 PM

ITT terrible people say shitty things.

4/13/2012 5:39:30 PM

4/13/2012 5:57:25 PM

saw this on the news a day or two ago. sounds really, really bad.

i wonder if there is more to the story, though, or if it's just another itchy trigger finger cop smoking someone for no good reason, then getting put on paid leave until it can be swept under the rug.

i do have to wonder why in the hell they were in riot gear, though. that doesn't add up and makes me think there's more to this story that we haven't heard.

4/13/2012 6:02:15 PM

give tacolu long enough, and he'll have the dead guy's grades from math in 5th grade and then use that to show that the guy was obviously very threatening because of them

4/13/2012 7:12:50 PM

BTTT

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

4/13/2012 7:13:47 PM

krallum, stop this trolling.

4/13/2012 7:14:52 PM

i don't know what's funnier ITT

the white guilt from the OP

or the white privilege denial from taco lou

4/13/2012 7:19:48 PM

^God isn't black?

4/13/2012 8:06:45 PM

Dear God, you once promised to leave TWW forever...please take this opportunity to make good on this promise. Feel free to suck as many balls as you want on the way out the door.

Quote :

"law enforcement sources said only that he was "known to them," from previous calls to police but won’t say what they were for. Chamberlain was never arrested by police, who note there was a black police officer on the scene the night he was shot and say that Chamberlain came at them with knives in hand. Shots were fired only after police tried to subdue him with a taser and bean-bag rounds."

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 8:32 PM. Reason : F]

4/13/2012 8:28:47 PM

Quote :

"Now Kenneth Chamberlain’s family has joined civil rights activists alleging this case raises similar questions to that of Trayvon Martin who was shot dead by a neighborhood watch volunteer: Do police or civilians trying to enforce the law shoot first and ask questions later when they are dealing with African Americans? "

Quote :

"Shots were fired only after police tried to subdue him with a taser and bean-bag rounds."

glad we got that question answered

4/13/2012 9:24:27 PM

Quote :

"^God isn't black?"

fuck no, he's not black. that's what's so funny about him getting all white knight all of the sudden, especially given his track record of douchebaggery and fucking with people on the internets.





[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ^^taste 'em]

4/13/2012 9:27:10 PM

easy for shitdicks like tacolu to spout their racist shit behind an anonymous username.

dude is too much of a coward to post a picture or use his real name or any of that shit.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM. Reason : actually pretty sure it's pack_bryan. dude about to lose his alias. ]

4/13/2012 9:42:26 PM

lol, no way i'm letting the tdub community know my personal identity.

you people are piranhas. the only people i troll on this site are the consensus douchebags, but say one little thing and you guys have every bit of dirt on somebody out there. no sir. i know better.

besides, aliases are kind of a good thing, as long as you don't use them to be annoying or fuck with people. they allow you to give your unadulterated opinion, no matter how asinine.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 9:45:01 PM

Quote :

"But the dead man’s son and his lawyers, who have seen videos from a camera attached to the Taser and a security camera, say Chamberlain had no weapon in his hand when cops fired the stun gun.""

So what they're saying is good ol dad DID have a weapon in his hand when they actually shot & killed him? I guess he also had a weapon in his hand when they shot him with the bean bags? Well fuck, obviously they only shot the guy because he was black! I'm sure they would have let any white guy with a weapon just attack them...

4/13/2012 9:52:06 PM

wut

4/13/2012 9:53:10 PM

I bet you wouldn't be so happy about us using the word "Wetbacks" would you taco lou

4/13/2012 9:54:29 PM