Look at this photograph
Everytime I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red
And what the hell is on Joey's head

And this is where I grew up
I think the present owner fixed it up
I never knew we'd ever went without
The second floor is hard for sneaking out

And this is where I went to school
Most of the time had better things to do
Criminal record says I broke in twice
I must have done it half a dozen times

I wonder if it's too late
Should i go back and try to graduate
Life's better now than it was back then
If I was them I wouldn't let me in

Oh, oh, oh
Oh, god, I

Every memory of looking out the back door
I had the photo album spread out on my bedroom floor
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.
Every memory of walking out the front door
I found the photo of the friend that I was looking for
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.

Remember the old arcade
Blew every dollar that we ever made
The cops hated us hangin' out
They say somebody went and burned it down

We used to listen to the radio
And sing along with every song we know
We said someday we'd find out how it feels
To sing to more than just the steering wheel

Kim's the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous that I nearly missed
She's had a couple of kids since then
I haven't seen her since god knows when

Oh, oh, oh
Oh, god, I

Every memory of looking out the back door
I had the photo album spread out on my bedroom floor
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.
Every memory of walking out the front door
I found the photo of the friend that I was looking for
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.

I miss that town
I miss the faces
You can't erase
You can't replace it
I miss it now
I can't believe it
So hard to stay
Too hard to leave it

If I could I relive those days
I know the one thing that would never change

Every memory of looking out the back door
I had the photo album spread out on my bedroom floor
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.
Every memory of walking out the front door
I found the photo of the friend that I was looking for
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye.

Look at this photograph
Everytime I do it makes me laugh
Everytime I do it makes me...

4/26/2012 7:53:59 PM

I'm sobbing

4/26/2012 7:55:04 PM

I feel like a decent percentage of new users (like myself) originally signed up wanting to utilize tww's chit chat section - a place that, unlike 4chan or reddit, that wasn't free for just anybody to use.

The problem is that people are chased off within their first 5 posts by people that can't restrain themselves from being "insert negative state of being here" to anybody and everybody they don't agree with. smc is an example of that - his band practices next to one of mine (or did, i haven't seen him recently) and one day we came face to face - he knew full well I had every right to 'insert graphic violence here" for all the crap he's said to / about me here...

Now maybe this is a mole hill / mountain thing, I'm guilty of it from time to time, but I would submit that tww has lost perspective and is entirely too tolerant of what I would term as 'get your ass kicked'(office space) comments, and that maybe the mods should reign it in some (not that you aren't doing a great job already) at least in the serious forums like The Garage (I will NEVER ask for advice there again), TSB ( I would LOVE to have a discourse on this or that but TSB is a viper pit that would have me popping prozac by the end of the day), and Chit chat (where you'll be ridiculed for posting a good thread AND have your sexual orientation questioned within 10 posts no matter what you are selling / wanting to buy). I'm just thinking out loud here and don't want anyone (except smc) to feel called out.

4/26/2012 7:55:24 PM

[Edited on April 26, 2012 at 7:56 PM. Reason : "]

4/26/2012 7:55:46 PM

EMCE exposed??????

4/26/2012 7:58:03 PM

I'm not posting this to debate, I'm posting it for the people coming in a reading this because I think people need to see P90X for what it is.


There is nothing special about this program, at least not in regard to what exercise scientists, personal trainers, nutritionists, well informed workout enthusiasts, etc. know about this stuff. As whoever the guy above said, there's nothing magical about it. That being said, the program isn't really for the aforementioned people.

Before I ever even heard of P90X, i knew and understood it's building blocks. I see stuff like Body by Vi or whatever, and without really knowing much about it can tell you why it worked for whoever it I see posting on FB about how they lost weight using it and it's wonderful, magical, blah blah blah. They created a big calorie deficit by limiting the calories they consumed and burning calories by working (even simply running a bunch). If you do that... you'll lose weight.. every time, whether it's body by vi or body by Steve the guy with the creeper stache who hangs out on the corner.

P90X is mostly intended for people who don't really understand the foundations of nutrition and exercise science. It's "open a small booklet, read it, pop in a dvd, mimic it like a monkey, eat what the little book says... and you see results." And if you do those things, you will see results because the fundamentals are there. And don't get me wrong, it will work for anyone. But there may be little things here and there that someone very informed would do differently.. and that's OK. If you understand the fundamentals of what you're doing, making adjustments is not a big deal.

But if you don't, and the reason you're buying or using something like P90X is because you want to lose weight, get into better shape, etc. and haven't been successful with your own attempts (programs), you're not giving the program or yourself a fair shot by not following it. That's including saying "I don't really like the kenpo x, so I'll just skip it." If you don't like something, at least try to understand why it's in there and replace with something else.

If you follow just the diet, you'll see some results because the diet will help you create a calorie deficit.

If you do just the exercise part and not the diet, you'll see some results.

If you do only the lifting days and the diet, you'll see results.

and so on.

If you do the full program, and follow the nutrition guide... most people will see their best potential results without ever over training.


As for the over training bit... I mean, you could overtrain doing almost any routine if you don't know what you're doing. P90X is, for the most part, a 3 day weight lifting routine split across 6 days with cardio on the in-between days. That's not extremely likely to cause "over training" in the sense talked about here imo. The main goal of those non-lifting workouts are cardiovascular health and getting you to burn calories and create a calorie deficit so you cut that fat you want to get rid of.

I'm not saying that over training doesn't exist and isn't detrimental to reaching a goal... but I, personally, think over training is not a big risk with this program. Again, 3 days of lifting interspersed with 3 days of cardio/calisthenics/flexibility work Not exactly a crazy routine. Although, you should try to gain an understanding of your body and learn to tell if you're going to hard, need more rest, not pushing yourself hard enough, etc.

4/26/2012 8:11:14 PM

In before krallum talks about how good those paroties were like 3 years ago

I'm Krallum and I approved this message

4/26/2012 8:15:44 PM

but seriously, look at it.

4/26/2012 8:45:28 PM

4/26/2012 8:59:08 PM

i don't recognize any of these parodies

4/26/2012 9:27:39 PM