..if there is no changing it."

She is strong as fuck. But she is in denial. Visceral fat kills.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/o4rjjCSVCMc

6/26/2012 1:31:35 AM

Aww leave her be. She's awesome.

6/26/2012 1:37:38 AM

she's done more than you'll ever do

6/26/2012 1:37:42 AM

she's as strong on the inside as on the outside.

6/26/2012 4:16:26 AM

I'm with Acraw.

Give credit where it's due. Girl's strong.

But lawdy lawdy there IS a way to change that and still be strong.

6/26/2012 4:20:23 AM

love this chick!

6/26/2012 5:50:45 AM

She is quite the physical specimen. Large, strong, athletic. And seems pretty level-headed about her situation. But these people saying she should play in the NFL are out of their mind. She can't play anywhere but OL/DL and the guys in the NFL are freaks who are exponentially bigger, stronger, and faster than she is. She could probably contribute to some FCS school's football program though. All in all, good for her working with what she's given.

6/26/2012 6:51:37 AM

On a side note...

People in the 'fat acceptance' movement will give the excuse that she was 'born this way' and can't help being obese. In this woman's case, does anyone else find this to be true? Or do you think with a proper diet and a different training routine, she could get down to a healthy weight of 130-150lbs for a 5'8" woman? I mean, I believe genetics play a small part in it. She is Nick Mangold's sister, so you know they probably come from a family of large people. But with a simple calorie-in-calorie-out formula and a will or desire to achieve it, I believe anyone can get down to an ideal/healthy weight.

6/26/2012 6:57:47 AM

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"But with a simple calorie-in-calorie-out formula and a will or desire to achieve it, I believe anyone can get down to an ideal/healthy weight."

while i think this is the case for MOST fat people, i don't think it's the case for ALL of them

i suspect genetics plays a larger part than most people think...for example, africans (real ones, not american ones) are generally much better runners with thinner frames than those of nordic descent, who tend to be taller with broader shoulders and a higher BMI...why is it unreasonable to assume that these differences define a "base" body that individuals cannot easily change?

i think your point is basically valid, though...while i think that the vast majority of people, regardless of genetic ancestry, have the same BASIC metabolism at any given point in their life (teenagers will have a faster one than someone in their 40s or 50s), i suspect that genetics influence behavior

what i mean by that is i can understand how the genetic history of those of nordic descent has determined that a person SHOULD eat more in a given day because their climate and ecosystem require it (even if they don't live there anymore)...while the african's genetic ancestry has determined that those who can survive on less survive the longest

6/26/2012 8:31:47 AM

I'd hit her, but I'm scared she'd hit me back

6/26/2012 8:42:35 AM

Eh..I've seen too many fat shows and before and afters that's convinced me that even if you believe there is a genetic component, you can still get to a healthy weight. She can love her sport all she wants, but that is unhealthy for her in the long run.

6/26/2012 12:02:05 PM

I mean...I don't think she's going to be a bathing suit model any time soon....but she could healthily get under two bills.

6/26/2012 12:07:58 PM

I think that if you are not a geneticist then you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

watching tv shows about fatass Americans dropping the lbs doesn't count. Those are the fatties that need to lose that weight and have never played sports or stopped moving altogether. Many large people hide behind the real genetic condition that some people have (quite possibly this girl). I am not saying she can't drop 20 lbs with a strict diet, but I don't think it could be a huge difference.

I also give her props because she isn't weeping about how no one understands her, and that this world wasn't made for her, everyone should be nicer to fat people ..... she is just saying that there are big girls, and they don't have to ride the bus and get food stamps their whole life.

6/26/2012 12:40:19 PM

I understand that her activities (ie- powerlifting) lends itself to needing the maximum amount of fuel you can get in your body.

I wonder if she managed to ever get down to <20% bmi, she would weigh under 200lbs. Good chance she wouldn't due to all her muscle mass. That is still a 150lb loss.

6/26/2012 12:50:44 PM

every person i've ever met with the last name Mangold has been huge.

6/26/2012 12:52:58 PM

6/26/2012 12:58:49 PM

I like how his calves turn into fucking drumsticks

6/26/2012 1:46:26 PM

ham hocks

6/26/2012 1:51:49 PM

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"i suspect genetics plays a larger part than most people think...for example, africans (real ones, not american ones) are generally much better runners with thinner frames than those of nordic descent, who tend to be taller with broader shoulders and a higher BMI...why is it unreasonable to assume that these differences define a "base" body that individuals cannot easily change?"

you're comparing skeletal shape to fat bellies. not really the same thing, at all.

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"I am not saying she can't drop 20 lbs with a strict diet, but I don't think it could be a huge difference."

that's kind of absurd. this girl probably can't get down to 130, but she could surely lose more than 20 pounds.

6/26/2012 2:04:57 PM

sounds like she doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks she could do.

6/26/2012 2:28:38 PM

Alright, she could lose 50 - 60 lbs on a strict diet. and? We could say that about the majority of Americans, but the actually fat ones. She is at least active and primarily muscle. I just don't understand why her weight was the take home message in this video. She outright says that she is not normal, and should not be considered the normal size, and no one should say "oh it is ok to be fat".

Bullying fatties only works for the lazy ones. Bullying this big girl will fall on deaf ears and might get you beat down.

6/26/2012 2:34:17 PM

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"you're comparing skeletal shape to fat bellies. not really the same thing, at all."

i'm not JUST comparing a person's frame to "fat bellies"...i'm pointing out that there is enough variation in the human form that to imply that everyone should be equally skinny (or "in shape") is silly

just like BMI is for idiots...an okay guide, i suppose, but it's far from a universal measurement of health

6/26/2012 2:40:07 PM

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" 130-150lbs f"

With her musculture (face it 525 is more than most men will ever squat in there lifetime. Shes obviously massive) not a chance in hell. But she definitely could get under 220 and still retain her strength no problem.



Being stereotypically "healthy" ie thin does not lend itself to her sport. Why would she throw away a career as an olympic lifter and powerlifter (and probable strong woman contestant) to be normal

6/26/2012 3:08:03 PM

She could definitely stand to lose some weight and it might even help her lifting in the long run. I can't imagine carrying over 100 lbs of excess body fat helps her squats any. To do so she would have to cut her intake which would slow her strength gains and possibly even cause her to lose some muscle. And we're not talking about an amount of fat that can be cut in 3 weeks or even 3 months. It could hugely impact her lifting career. For someone at her level of competition that might not be an option. If it were it would have to be very strategically planned so as to not interfere with things like the Olympic trials or the Olympics itself. I suspect she would be better off competing in her current state and working on strength gains until this phase of her life is over. She is probably wrecking her body by being overweight and lifting so heavy; she might as well extract all the positives she can while she's at the top of her game and focus on getting to a healthier weight at some point later in life.

That's not saying it was ok to put on the weight in the first place, but there's nothing to be done about that now. Hindsight is always 20/20. At least she seems to be making the most of what she has.

[Edited on June 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM. Reason : l]

6/26/2012 3:15:19 PM

^exactly

6/26/2012 3:17:13 PM

Fat powerlifters are pretty common. Do you need to eat a 3k calorie surplus every day to be the best? Nope. Does running a perpetual surplus help you make gains? Of course. Your body is primed to pack on muscle and fat, and you never really force your body to conserve energy. It's just easier to lift heavy, eat heavy, and not think too much.

There's no way this chick could even get down to a lean 160, but she could certainly get to 200 and still be strong as shit. There's no need to carry that much fat.

[Edited on June 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM. Reason : ]

6/26/2012 3:35:00 PM

I don't want to get into a quoting frenzy here.

She probably does not have a genetic disorder. I'm only concluding this based on three things.
1) If you watched her original True Life story on MTV, her parents are pretty slim compared to her. 2) If she had a genetic disorder wouldn't this be one important information for her audience? No, because it makes the voyeuristic nature of her story much more interesting. 3) In True Life, they showed her make an attempt at losing weight by hiring a fitness trainer and one of the dialogues between her and her trainer gave me the impression that her diet fucking sucks: "I used to wake up and have to have a diet coke, but now I wake up just having water." She even hired a dietition and her coaches even wanted her to lose weight and 'get more fit'.

She says, " working with a dietition, has showed me a whole new side to being a professional athlete."

Her dietition probably told her(though not filmed) that her weight puts her at risk for many things.

Sounds like to me she's just not that disciplined even though she wants to lose the weight. She understands that it can help her get to the Olympics.

Also, even if someone had a gene defect you aren't necessarily doomed for life. There are plenty of human conditions that are linked to some gene locus that I have read that can reversse symptoms or at least slow down the progression by lifestyle changes. For instance, I have a friend with multiple sclerosis and excerising has really helped his physical symptoms.

No one here is making fun of her for being fat. Seems like most of us agree her weight is excessive and unecessary for a powerlifter. It puts her at risk for injuries too. Carrying that weight as a heavy lifter is bad for your back and joints.

I get her message of empowerment and going against social norms. But to hide behind her lifting ability and size acceptance and ignore the obvious fact that being obese increases your mortality...she is going about it the wrong way.

6/26/2012 9:52:52 PM

There is no genetic disorder that allows you to defy the laws of thermodynamics.

6/26/2012 9:56:02 PM

Most of our food is extremely processed. It's bound to happen to most. It's like eating plastic.

6/26/2012 9:57:15 PM

She's badass, nuff said.

6/26/2012 9:59:01 PM

Genetics play a big role in the way a person's body is. I would say that for sure she has some major genetics playing a role in her body type. Although she could probably get to a healthier weight.

I think her attitude is great though. She's realistic. She knows what the deal is.

But I for sure know what it's like for genetics to play a role in body type...while right now, I'm fat because I'm lazy...when I was in high school...I was still fat. Not as bad as now, but still the bigger girl in the group. I was in tip top condition and had a very good diet but I could never get 'skinny'

6/26/2012 10:24:39 PM

gee i'm totally shocked the fat girls support her and the skinner girls dont

6/26/2012 10:30:59 PM

http://beforeandafterweightlosspics.tumblr.com/

Some of these pics are pretty drastic.. others not. But tell some of these motivated ex fatties that they were born fat and you will get laughed at. Some metabolisms are slower than others, but at the end of the day, your genetics does NOT make you fat. The food you eat and your lack of exercise is what makes you fat. If you have a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. It applies to EVERYONE. It is indisputable proven science.

6/27/2012 7:33:39 AM

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"I don't want to get into a quoting frenzy here. She probably does not have a genetic disorder."

good thing you don't want to quote anyone saying she has genetic disorder since, you know, no one said that she did

to have a body type that is somewhat defined by a specific genetic ancestry is not the same as a disorder...the FACT is that not everyone can diet/exercise EXACTLY the same and get EXACTLY the same results and this is inarguably due, in part, to the genetic predispositions to any variety of contributing factors (metabolism, fat storage patterns, hormonal profile, etc)

i never once claimed that this chick couldn't or shouldn't lose weight...but she definitely has a frame that SUGGESTS that she would/will be a bigger girl with anything approaching a normal, healthy diet and regular exercise

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"your genetics does NOT make you fat"

that is, quite simply, not ENTIRELY true...if nothing else, hormonal imbalances stemming from a genetic predisposition can indeed "make" you fat

for example, estrogen imbalances CAN cause a woman to store fat in her hips (subcutaneous) instead of her belly (visceral)...visceral fat is easier to lose, but is more dangerous to one's health

even with the exclusion of hormonal imbalances, it's absurd to claim that genetics play NO part in determining where a person will store their fat and since some fat is significantly harder to burn than others, it's silly to say "your genetics does NOT make you fat"

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"If you have a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. It applies to EVERYONE. It is indisputable proven science."

this is true, but oversimplified

it's quite obvious that you, nor anyone you know well enough to discuss such things with, has ever struggled with weight loss (ie. maintained a strict diet and exercise regimen and still failed to lose any significant weight)...the aforementioned hormone issues can cause a person's body to crave food (or certain foods) even when they shouldn't be hungry...this is just a minor example of a most basic problem and they can be worse or more complex than that

and, to make the record clear, here, i've lost 60lbs since my freshman year of college...i was fat because i enjoyed eating, snacked a lot, and didn't exercise with any regularity...eating better (almost no processed foods, little meat, and more veggies/fruit) and exercise has made a world of difference and i think that the eating better and more exercise solution will work for the VAST majority of fat people...just not all

[Edited on June 27, 2012 at 8:22 AM. Reason : .]

6/27/2012 8:09:56 AM

alright, but you just contradicted yourself

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"I get her message of empowerment and going against social norms. But to hide behind her lifting ability and size acceptance and ignore the obvious fact that being obese increases your mortality...she is going about it the wrong way."

and

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"She says, " working with a dietition, has showed me a whole new side to being a professional athlete." Her dietition probably told her(though not filmed) that her weight puts her at risk for many things. Sounds like to me she's just not that disciplined even though she wants to lose the weight. She understands that it can help her get to the Olympics."

I really didn't see her telling people it is ok to be fat and that she is a normal size. She even recognizes that she needs a dietition, at this point in her life, that is not the most important thing to her. Yes, your health should always be important, and for a lot of people it is #1. But even under strict health conditions she is still a big girl and by not lifting she is just a big girl, she wants to do something athletic with herself.

but if you really want to simplify it, yes, the bitch is fat.

6/27/2012 8:36:32 AM

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"Some of these pics are pretty drastic.. others not. But tell some of these motivated ex fatties that they were born fat and you will get laughed at. Some metabolisms are slower than others, but at the end of the day, your genetics does NOT make you fat. The food you eat and your lack of exercise is what makes you fat. If you have a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. It applies to EVERYONE. It is indisputable proven science."

i have to agree.

i had a small weight problem a few years ago that could have been easily disguised as "genetic" mostly because it was a hormonal imbalance but it wasn't something that i was pre-disposed to. it was actually something that i was doing to myself. i don't think a lot of people realize that eating the wrong foods can cause hormonal imbalances, so you can scream genetics all you like but reality is that a lot of it has to do with what you eat and your activity level.

6/27/2012 9:16:43 AM

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"i don't think a lot of people realize that eating the wrong foods can cause hormonal imbalances, so you can scream genetics all you like but reality is that a lot of it has to do with what you eat and your activity level."

in the VAST majority of fat people cases, i agree 100%...most fat folks can be less fat with some exercise and better eating and it really IS that simple

but it's silly to make a blanket statement implying that losing weight is as easy as eating fewer calories than you burn...while that's true in the strictest sense, it's oversimplified nearly to the point of being wrong...a calorie is a calorie, but the SOURCE of those calories is important and as such, a simple calorie deficit is NOT the simple solution to healthily losing weight

it's kind of silly that i need to keep saying that i, for one, am not saying genetics make people fat, but i AM most certainly asserting that genetics provides contributing factors (metabolism, fat storage patterns, hormonal profile, etc) to one's propensity for weight gain and loss

6/27/2012 10:05:46 AM

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" if nothing else, hormonal imbalances stemming from a genetic predisposition can indeed "make" you fat"

Perhaps. It might 'make' predisposed to being overweight. But it will not 'keep' you overweight if you choose to intervene.

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" while that's true in the strictest sense, it's oversimplified nearly to the point of being wrong...a calorie is a calorie, but the SOURCE of those calories is important and as such, a simple calorie deficit is NOT the simple solution to healthily losing weight"

Of course there is a right and a wrong way to go about it. She out pick up a coke habit and sustain on a diet pepsi and a few tic tacs a day. That would surely knock some pounds off. Is it healthy though? Hell no.



[Edited on June 27, 2012 at 10:24 AM. Reason : qq]

6/27/2012 10:15:00 AM

i thought this thread was about the Burlington Coat Factory

6/27/2012 10:35:49 AM

it is

6/27/2012 10:37:50 AM

6/27/2012 10:43:57 AM

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"that is, quite simply, not ENTIRELY true...if nothing else, hormonal imbalances stemming from a genetic predisposition can indeed "make" you fat"

No, not really. Hormonal imbalances can fuck with your sense of hunger and cause you to eat more, which in turns make you fat, but ultimately every human still has to deal with the exact same physical laws. The exact number of calories needed to gain/maintain/lose fat varies per person, but a deficit is a deficit. Your body can't create fat (or muscle, for that matter) from a deficit. Any weight gain has to be due to water retention.

Exercise and the actual content of your diet (breakdown of protein, carbs, and fat) obviously will play a big role in body composition.

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"for example, estrogen imbalances CAN cause a woman to store fat in her hips (subcutaneous) instead of her belly (visceral)...visceral fat is easier to lose, but is more dangerous to one's health"

Subcutaneous vs. visceral aren't defined by the area of the body the fat is stored on. Subcutaneous is right below the skin (this is generally the fat you want to get rid of, and your abdominal region does have some subcutaneous fat), visceral fat is stored around the organs and serves the purpose of cushioning the organs and keeping them warm. In obese individuals, excess visceral fat builds, resulting in a pronounced "gut".

As far as where fat tends to get stored, it varies by person. A high concentration of b2-receptors in an area will mean that fat is easily mobilized from the area. A high concentration of a2-receptors in an area will mean that fat is more "stubborn". In men, there is a higher concentration of a2-receptors around the belly/lower back. In women, this concentration occurs in the legs/butt.

In any case, it's quite normal for women to store fat in their butt. It's more abnormal for women to store the majority of it in their belly, although once you get fat enough, it's obviously going to happen.

[Edited on June 27, 2012 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ]

6/27/2012 10:46:36 AM

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"No, not really. Hormonal imbalances can fuck with your sense of hunger and cause you to eat more, which in turns make you fat, but ultimately every human still has to deal with the exact same physical laws. The exact number of calories needed to gain/maintain/lose fat varies per person, but a deficit is a deficit. Your body can't create fat (or muscle, for that matter) from a deficit. Any weight gain has to be due to water retention."

hence the reason i put "make" in quotation marks...i don't disagree with you in anything you've said here, and i'm certainly not saying that the URGE to eat physically causes you gain weight...but to discount urges to eat due to a hormonal imbalance as unimportant or irrelevant to weight gain/loss is unrealistic

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"Subcutaneous vs. aren't defined by the area of the body the fat is stored on. Subcutaneous is right below the skin (this is generally the fat you want to get rid of, and your abdominal region does have some subcutaneous fat), visceral fat is stored around the organs and serves the purpose of cushioning the organs and keeping them warm. In obese individuals, excess visceral fat builds, resulting in a pronounced "gut"."

i saw what you wrote before you edited...i am not confused about the difference between visceral and subcutaneous fat...i was simply pointing out that the fat accumulation in those areas is largely made up of the fat i placed in parentheses

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"As far as where fat tends to get stored, it varies by person."

and THIS is exactly my point...i'm trying to point out that the idea of calorie deficits, while true, is still an oversimplification

will you lose "real" weight (not water, but fat or muscle mass) if you burn more calories than you take in? sure...i have not once said otherwise and, really, i didn't think this thread was about workout regimens or diet

my point was that a "great" body is not always equal to a healthy one because it's more complex than that...this girl is FAT and it is not necessary for her to carry so much extra weight in order to be a weightlifter...furthermore, it's downright unhealthy for her to carry around so much extra fat

but she quite simply does not have the frame to be "perfect" and even when healthy, i suspect she'd still be "thick" (which some people would call fat)...this is just the way she is and is the result of her genetic ancestry...and saying that does NOT mean i'm saying she has a genetic disorder or that her being fat is due to anything but eating too much

6/27/2012 11:01:04 AM

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" but to discount urges to eat due to a hormonal imbalance as unimportant or irrelevant to weight gain/loss is unrealistic"

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with urges cause weight gain.

I think he was trying to stress that everyone has the ability to lose weight. And that the excuse of genetics for being a fatty is complete bunk.

6/27/2012 11:04:58 AM

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"I think he was trying to stress that everyone has the ability to lose weight."

well, yeah...if i sit on my ass all day, but don't eat or drink a thing, i'm going to lose weight...no one in this thread has said that people CAN'T lose weight, so it was a useless point to make

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"And that the excuse of genetics for being a fatty is complete bunk."

again, no one has said that a person is fat SOLELY because their genetic code tells them to be fat

if a person believes that genetics are irrelevant to the propensity for weight gain/loss (be it hormonal or for "stubborn" fat accumulation) in at least SOME cases, i'd have to call them pretty dumb for being so parochial

furthermore, i feel the need to point out again that that girl is never going to be healthy and thin at the same time...she's not designed that way and that IS genetics

6/27/2012 11:16:09 AM

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"well, yeah...if i sit on my ass all day, but don't eat or drink a thing, i'm going to lose weight...no one in this thread has said that people CAN'T lose weight, so it was a useless point to make"

If I had my way, I would never stop eating. I would eat unhealthy food (junk food, ice cream, pizza) every day, all day. That's just how I'm wired up.

Is it a hormonal imbalance? Am I fucked up in the head? Do I just have a big appetite? Doesn't really matter. I simply overcome those urges. Do it for long enough, and it's almost as if you are changing your nature. Knowledge and discipline is far more important than genetics when it comes to losing or gaining fat.

6/27/2012 11:26:20 AM

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"good thing you don't want to quote anyone saying she has genetic disorder since, you know, no one said that she did"

It was Klatypus who suggested she probably had a genetic condition. I use disorder and condition interchangeable depending on the context of the conversation. Having a specific body type isn't a genetic disorder or condition, but I was merely stating that she shouldn't feel like she is a slave to her genetics. So, she is an endomorph. IT IS JUST THE WAY SHE IS, simply put. But doesn't mean she has to accept it and give up on trying to become healthier. http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/body-types-ectomorph-mesomorph-endomorph.html

It is going to be harder for her but it's doable. That's pretty much what most people are saying in this thread.

6/27/2012 11:57:47 AM

i love the way acraw looks [/creepy]

6/27/2012 12:01:59 PM

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" i love the way acraw looks [/creepy]"

Yeah, she would get it. Well, you know....if I were into asian women that hated me, and that have curiously long nipples.

6/27/2012 12:06:28 PM

^^
^

I love the way yall look /creepy nohomo

(wait can you :nohomo: something that flagrantly homo?)

6/27/2012 12:09:09 PM